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3. July 2008 @ 19:25 |
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I would wager the E6750 as typically being a better overclocker, wouldn't you? It's luck of the draw, his first E6600 wouldn't go above 3.2...
The E6750 is really just an E6700 with an updated FSB 1333 and a lower clock multiplier to get it to the same speed as the E6700. They otherwise both have the same core. The problem here is that if you took an E6700 increased its front side bus to 1333 it will be clocked higher than the E6750.
Since the E6700 has a rated bus speed of 266.66 with a multipler of 10 that brings it to its speed of 2.66 GHz, but change the bus speed to the same as the E6750 it would equal 333.33 times 10 or about 3.3 GHz. So as you can see it is faster at the same bus speed as the E6750. Since they are both on a 65 nm core the E6700 has an advantage.
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3. July 2008 @ 20:30 |
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shaffaaf,
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i have heard that its a great clocker esp for the price. looks very nice, as ukually the normal boards from asus are yellow, but the onyl problem i have with it is the 24 pin mobo connector is ont he whole other side, behind the I/O port.
That location has always worked out well for me. I run the PS cable under and around the outside of the case fan and it plugs right in. Very neat too!
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I dont know if you know about the batch numbers or not all have different 1's on the box..and ..i don't remember if yours is a oem 1 or not..or out the box? you know that tells the exact date they were made..i need to look at mine on my box and write down and when it was made what's it call it like Beer (Born on Date)..lol
It's the good one, Box with the G0 stepping!
Sophocles,
Someone here has an Asus Striker Extreme, not the Extreme II which at the moment is problematical, but the Extreme! They had no problems overclocking it! I'll try to remember who it is!
Best Regards,
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3. July 2008 @ 22:40 |
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there's not much mention about the E8500 here will it stand up to the Q9450 even tho it has two less cores all around temp wise also..i guess it depends on the board also and how your keep'in it cool..right now at the egg they got the E8500 oem at $229.99 free shipping reg price $269.99 retail they try'in to charge you $40.00 bucks extra for a stock cooler and a pretty box it comes in..lol the Q9450 newegg price $329.99 Micro center cost on sale $299.99 but..i believe after tax it will be 329 and some changes..I'm goin with 1 of the 2 on my nexts build..have'n made up my mind up yet..but..i know the board will be an asus..
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3. July 2008 @ 23:29 |
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
there's not much mention about the E8500 here will it stand up to the Q9450 even tho it has two less cores all around temp wise also..i guess it depends on the board also and how your keep'in it cool..right now at the egg they got the E8500 oem at $229.99 free shipping reg price $269.99 retail they try'in to charge you $40.00 bucks extra for a stock cooler and a pretty box it comes in..lol the Q9450 newegg price $329.99 Micro center cost on sale $299.99 but..i believe after tax it will be 329 and some changes..I'm goin with 1 of the 2 on my nexts build..have'n made up my mind up yet..but..i know the board will be an asus..
QUAD no questions asked for the GM!!! And it seems an ASUS convert in the making. :) Morty you hear that?? hehehe. ;P I'm still looking hard at the DFI mobos. :D BUT with the "blessing" of Soph on the P5Q it seems the mid end ASUS mobos are looking better, maybe I should say mobo. lol. ;)
You know of course I already have a Q6600 (B3 stepping) and the E6850, what do I need another build for?? ROFL.... Told the wifey yesterday I was getting the itch for another build... Also told her I would NOT do anything til 2009!!! :-(
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4. July 2008 @ 02:02 |
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bigwill68,
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they try'in to charge you $40.00 bucks extra for a stock cooler and a pretty box it comes in..lol
You do get a bit more than a stock cooler and a pretty box, like a longer warranty, 3 times longer! Box is 3 years, OEM is 1!
Russ
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4. July 2008 @ 02:30 |
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Zoso, and a ood thing I convinced you to get a Quad core too. They are great! I just convinced someone else to get a Q6600 from a E8400.
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4. July 2008 @ 06:34 |
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regarding the ATX connector, It's a pain for when you use a large heatsink because there's not much room to work, and it's also a pain if you use a large or custom graphics cooler (such as the Powercolor SCS or Thermalright HR-03 in top-over configuration) as it often won't fit. There's no reason for the ATX connector to be anywhere other than where it always is.
regarding the striker, Indeed they do, but the only people I know to have had strikers binned them for being impossible to overclock with. One of them chose an EVGA 680i (now defunct) and the other chose a P35C-DS3R, and has since overclocked his E6850 quite handily.
In the UK everywhere I look, the retail CPU is cheaper than the OEM, what's that about?
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4. July 2008 @ 09:32 |
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Hi all, I've decided im really in need of a PC because my current one is well a POS >_> Anyway, about a year ago I was looking into building a PC for my self but, needless to say, the parts I was thinking about are all outdated now...So, with that in mind I've started looking at newer parts and have come up with a few selections. I've always liked afterdawn and everynow and then i try to take some time to browse through it, though i havent really gotten a chance lately. That being said, I respect any opinions given and would really appreciate some suggestions on my build. Keep in mind the goal is to spend ~$1000 though I could probably go as high as 1200 or 1300.
My selections so far:
$170 CPU-AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3 ghz Quadcore
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...ena%2b2.3%2bghz
$150 Mobo-MSI K9A2 Platinum AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130136
~$87 RAM Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) 240-pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184
$175 GPU-EVGA 512-P3-N802-AR GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512 MB 256- bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP ready SLI card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...b512-P3-N802-AR
$80 HDD-Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500 GB 7200RPM 16MB cache SATA 3.0 GB/s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...16%2bWD5000AAKS
$55 Case-Cooler Master Centurion 532 RC-532-SKN1 ATX mid
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...2%2bRC-532-SKN1
$200 Monitor-Acer AL2016WBbd black 20" 5ms widescreen LCD 300cd/m2 800-1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...er%2bAL2016WBbd
$??? PSU-no idea what would be good here... any suggestions? x.x
~$30 DVD/CD RW-not sure whats a good brand here. suggestions please?
~$15 DVD/CD-see above
So, yeah. Thats what i have so far. Ive only spent a couple hours researching it though. Like I said ive been out of the computer scene for quite some time now so im not all that update on whats good and such. Oh, and for those wondering, the PC will be used as a media PC and for light-medium gaming and will most likely run Windows XP because I dont feel like buying Vista. x.x
Once again, any and all comments greatly appreciated. Will check back soon. Thanks.
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4. July 2008 @ 10:37 |
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4. July 2008 @ 10:40 |
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Xevlys..U might check this out 4 PSU
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4. July 2008 @ 11:01 |
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Are you dead set on AMD? We don't see many AMD builds here as of late so it might be nice to see a nice AMD vs. Intell quad comparison here locally when you get it all buttoned up.
well.. like i said its been a while, last i remember most people were recommending AMD to me, but to tell you the truth i dont really even know the difference anymore x.x
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For the PSU there are a lot who will recommend the Corsair HX series modular PSU's and since I own one I'll give it a nod as well.
Ok, sounds good ill look into it. What does "modular" PSU mean? >_>
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For DVD RW's I would suggest one of the following
Pioneer 215D SATA $30 + $9 shipping
Pioneer 115D (IDE) $32 + $9 shipping.
NEC/Optiarc 7200S (SATA) $24 free shipping
NEC/Optiarc 7200A (IDE) $25 + $9 shipping
Samsung 203B is a strong contender as are a lot of the Lite-On models. I would personally go with a SATA drive, but some still still swear by PATA. I think both can be equally good.
I'm not too picky on this so probably any one of those would be fine thanks for suggestions. :]
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If you are willing to spare an inch on the monitor OfficeDepot has a 19" Acer for $149.
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/70...-Monitor-Black/
that looks awesome but it says price valid until 7/5/08 and idk if i wanna buy it by tomorrow >.<
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Xevlys..U might check this out 4 PSU
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-tx-650w-.../206178324.html
Corsair TX 650W ATX12V Power Supply - CMPSU-650TX
looks good to me but then again i know nothing about PSUs x.x
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4. July 2008 @ 11:42 |
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If you aren't doing this to support AMD, then just get a Intel Quad Core. They perform much better. Something like this. You can get all these parts from newegg, but get the PSU from buy.com
Intel Q9450
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R
NZXT Tempest Case
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Try to get 4GB of 1066Mhz ram with cas5
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4. July 2008 @ 12:11 |
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Xevlys..That PSU is pretty well RATED as an excellent unit in this forum
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4. July 2008 @ 12:21 |
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It's been a LONG time since AMD CPUs were worth buying for anything but an absolute budget build. While there's nothing exactly wrong with them, there are very few cases when having a Core 2 CPU wouldn't be better.
The Phenoms are particularly poor compared to Intel's quads, so for high performance, it's strictly Intel unless you already have everything required but the CPU to make a system.
Clearly the motherboard is out the window with a move to intel, I'd go with the Gigabyte EP35-DS3R on newegg, and the Core 2 Quad Q9450.
EVGA graphics cards have a dodgy reputation, especially superclocked ones - and for that money you could buy a vastly superior Radeon HD4850.
The case and HDD choices are fine, though you will need an extra case fan, since coolermaster only provide one. I recommend the SFF21F for that. Alternatively you could buy the again vastly superior NZXT Tempest.
Acer monitors are alright, but the quality of them seems sub-par compared to almost all other brands I've seen.
The Corsair TX 650W PSU is fine, though if you're looking for modular, go with a 520W HX instead. 520W is still ample power for both the system originally envisaged, and the one I recommend - and you have less cable clutter to worry about.
Links:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128086
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115042
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146047
slightly better RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145197
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4. July 2008 @ 12:59 |
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Originally posted by Xevlys:
Hi all, I've decided im really in need of a PC because my current one is well a POS >_> Anyway, about a year ago I was looking into building a PC for my self but, needless to say, the parts I was thinking about are all outdated now...So, with that in mind I've started looking at newer parts and have come up with a few selections. I've always liked afterdawn and everynow and then i try to take some time to browse through it, though i havent really gotten a chance lately. That being said, I respect any opinions given and would really appreciate some suggestions on my build. Keep in mind the goal is to spend ~$1000 though I could probably go as high as $1200 or $1300.
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So, yeah. Thats what i have so far. Ive only spent a couple hours researching it though. Like I said ive been out of the computer scene for quite some time now so im not all that update on whats good and such. Oh, and for those wondering, the PC will be used as a media PC and for light-medium gaming and will most likely run Windows XP because I dont feel like buying Vista. x.x
Once again, any and all comments greatly appreciated. Will check back soon. Thanks.
Xevlys,
What are you gonna do with this computer?? If you plan on keeping it a while (about 10x longer than BOOZER...lol) and OC'ing a little bit then I would go Intel for sure. I know there are some AMD fans out there but Intel is leading the race right now and it's my choice by far. ;)
The suggestions about cpu and mobo from sammy are pretty nice but if you can spend some more on a mobo then I would consider the NEW ASUS P5Q Deluxe... it's been "tested" by a very knowledgeable member here and I trust his findings completely. :) This is a solid mobo and a good OC'er as well. :)
The ODD's that LOCO recommended are stellar. I would consider SATA as well and get the Sony/NEC/Optiarc AD-7200S and the Pioneer 215D!! Both excellent performers and I have the AD-7200S and LOCO has the Pioneer 215D. :D
I like the case that sammy posted as well as the Cooler Master 590. Really nice features and /me likey too much. :D
A psu is NOT just a psu. lol. The Corsair psu's these guys linked you to are very good!!! Antec Neo Power 650W (modular) to look at for the price (outright no MIR) it's a good deal and a good psu to boot. :)
I would look at the Q9450 along with the Q6700!!! The Q6700 was over $500 just a few months ago IIRC. :D
btw if you're gonna go with a Quad I would look at the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro for a minimum hsf cooler!!! I would personally get the Thermaright TRU or TRUE!! (Ultra 120 or Ultra 120 Extreme)
Well there's some info to confuse even the best of guides. LOL. Good luck and happy hunting.... :D
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4. July 2008 @ 13:15 |
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GM, I hate to fall behind, that's why I sell my computers! lol
I also hate losing money, and every single one of my computers has made me money, so I feel good. Oh and your sig rocks! lol
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4. July 2008 @ 13:21 |
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If keeping up means rarely having anything but an old celeron though, the system's flawed... :)
You should have made enough money buy now to have your own PC to keep and sell others!
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4. July 2008 @ 13:24 |
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The ODD's that LOCO recommended are stellar. I would consider SATA as well and get the Sony/NEC/Optiarc AD-7200S and the Pioneer 215D!! Both excellent performers and I have the AD-7200S and LOCO has the Pioneer 215D. :D
I actually own all the drives I recommended in my post (the sata versions anyway) and the Lite-On 20A1L to be specific. :P
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Ok, sounds good ill look into it. What does "modular" PSU mean?
Modular PSU's have individual cables for your connections so that you don't have to plug in what you don't need. While standard PSU's have the big rats nest of wires coming from the unit to plug up things that you don't even have in your case. It basically makes for a neater build with a potential of better air flow. Sorry if someone else explained this, but I didn't see it skimming through the posts.
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4. July 2008 @ 13:35 |
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Originally posted by Xevlys:
Ok, sounds good ill look into it. What does "modular" PSU mean? >_>
modular cabling means that the only cables on the psu that are permanent and can not be removed are the 24 pin mobo cable and the 4/8 pin cpu power cable. you use only what you need in the way of 4 pin molex cables, sata power cables, and 6 pin gpu cables. you get an assortment of different lengths and they plug into the power supply. makes for a much neater build and better cable management.
both the corsair HX and TX series PSU's are very good. I personally use and recommend the corsair 620HX. lots of power and you get a better selection and more cables than the 520HX. best place to buy from is buy.com. they usually have the best price plus a nice mail in rebate.
if you're not wanting to go all out and would like to save a little money but still would like a quad core cpu, you can't go wrong with an intel Q6600 quad core cpu.
edit: sorry LOCO, you posted while I was writing :)
Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 4. July 2008 @ 14:07
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i dont know if they have expanded their market to the US, but BeQuiet make AMAZING PSUs (their Dark Power Pro series) are nothing short of amazing.
my next build (when the 4870X2 comes out) will have the 650W verison (£100)
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4. July 2008 @ 14:07 |
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Ah, shaffaaf really does like overspending on PSUs...
Unless I was using two 4870s in the old style (two separate cards) I'd stick with my 520W HX. If I was using a pair of 4870s though, it'd probably be the 750W TX, since it's so cheap. Not modular but to be honest, saving so much money is nice. (Note that neither the HX620W or Darkpower 650W can run a pair of 4870s because they lack the four 6-pin connectors required, only the Modu82 625W, TX750, HX1000 and typical 750W+ units can pull this off). Even then the Modu82 625W is the same price as most 750W modular units, so it's still a questionable purchase.
As for an HD4870X2, I thought you liked your PC quiet? With a TDP pretty close to 300W, that card will have a noisy cooler, no questions asked. The HD3870X2's was nasty, and this is even worse. Since aftermarket cooling isn't an option for dual cards it's watercooling or earbuds - the main reason why I went traditional for crossfire.
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4. July 2008 @ 14:13 |
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Originally posted by Mort81:
Originally posted by Xevlys:
Ok, sounds good ill look into it. What does "modular" PSU mean? >_>
modular cabling means that the only cables on the psu that are permanent and can not be removed are the 24 pin mobo cable and the 4/8 pin cpu power cable. you use only what you need in the way of 4 pin molex cables, sata power cables, and 6 pin gpu cables. you get an assortment of different lengths and they plug into the power supply. makes for a much neater build and better cable management.
both the corsair HX and TX series PSU's are very good. I personally use and recommend the corsair 620HX. lots of power and you get a better selection and more cables than the 520HX. best place to buy from is buy.com. they usually have the best price plus a nice mail in rebate.
if you're not wanting to go all out and would like to save a little money but still would like a quad core cpu, you can't go wrong with an intel Q6600 quad core cpu.
edit: sorry LOCO, you posted while I was writing :)
Much better explanation than my quick and dirty one though :)
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4. July 2008 @ 14:15 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
if you can spend some more on a mobo then I would consider the NEW ASUS P5Q Deluxe... it's been "tested" by a very knowledgeable member here and I trust his findings completely. :) This is a solid mobo and a good OC'er as well. :)
this board would be a excellent choice for the Q9450. there would be no way i would choose the GA-EP35C-DS3R for a 45nm CPU
I would look at the Q9450 along with the Q6700!!! The Q6700 was over $500 just a few months ago IIRC. :D
btw if you're gonna go with a Quad I would look at the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro for a minimum hsf cooler!!! I would personally get the Thermaright TRU or TRUE!! (Ultra 120 or Ultra 120 Extreme)
Ive read reviews about the P5Q deluxe and the Artic cooling freezer 7 pro not fitting just right without a small adjustment to the NB cooler
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that's true with a lot of Asus boards, the dreaded P5N-E SLI included. It's not really Asus' fault, the Arctic is too large at low heights. However, Gigabyte's compatibility with it is excellent. Not sticking a note in for either company here, but it just tends to be the way with the shape of the heatsinks.
For what it's worth, for all standard configs with the exception of HD4870s in crossfire, the HX520 and VX550 units are sufficiently powerful.
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