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27. August 2007 @ 04:03 |
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Almost everyone here swears by em but I just get whatever is on sale. I've used Office depot,Nexxtech,Maxell,TDK,You name it and I've always gotten perfect results. So, what's the diff?
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27. August 2007 @ 05:13 |
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run them through cd/dvd speed and post results...and how long will it be before the low end media is unreadable?
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27. August 2007 @ 05:15 |
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I've always gotten perfect results.
Seriously, we could use some help on the Nero section - good results, never mind perfection, are eluding more users than ever.
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27. August 2007 @ 06:24 |
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Originally posted by attar:
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I've always gotten perfect results.
Seriously, we could use some help on the Nero section - good results, never mind perfection, are eluding more users than ever.
I don't use Nero it's just too bloated since 7.0 came out. I use ImgBurn(FREE) Best Burning software out there.
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27. August 2007 @ 06:55 |
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So much for brand loyalty then...
You use Imgburn...that is perfect, copy the graph data from DVDInfoPro, it's built in ya know. Additionally Nero CD/DVD Speed can be run as a standalone and is free to use by itself.
http://www.cdspeed2000.com/
The reason a lot of people prefer and recommend Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden is because you know what you are getting. Of the different brands of media you have listed there are probably 8 different manufacturers between those four discs. If you don't have any problems with them good for you...keep using them, but understand what it is you are getting.
I may be off a little here, but I'll do my best from memory:
Office Depot = CMC Mag, Ritek
Maxell = CMC Mag, Ritek, Moser Bauer, Hitachi(the good stuff)and maxell's own.
TDK = TTH (TDK's own), Moser Bauer, CMC Mag
Most all of which are made in Taiwan where quality, consitency and compatability can be dodgy.
Verbatim = Mitsubishi Chemical Corp (MCC), MKM (DL from singapore) and Taiyo Yuden.
Taiyo Yuden = Taiyo Yuden
The TY's are made in Japan and are known to produce high quality media, where as the Verbs are the exception to the Taiwanese rule.
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27. August 2007 @ 08:42 |
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I don't use Nero it's just too bloated since 7.0 came out. I use ImgBurn(FREE) Best Burning software out there.
That doesn't change the need for knowledgeable users to help out.
Nero isn't going away and since it's packed with most burners, it carries the can for any problems associated with burning;it's only the fact that it produces a comprehensive record of the burn, that many problems from DMA settings to software clashes can be pinpointed so easily - and indeed, unless there is a conspiracy (that I haven't been invited to join) against certain brands, then the numbers suggest that some are better than others, the alternative deduction that all media produce perfect burns, is risible.
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27. August 2007 @ 09:32 |
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To each his own. You can keep using the cheap stuff and when you have a problem, you will be back here looking for help. LOL
I will stay with Verb's, Ty's, or Sony's
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27. August 2007 @ 09:55 |
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"Perfect results" can mean two things: 1) a "perfect" disc plays on all players with no problems, or 2) a disc has no errors at all.
There is no such thing as a technically "perfect" disc (at least not for more than a week, after which time the errors begin to show up.) Discs with a great deal of errors and imperfections can often play on multiple DVD players because error correction in the players repairs any problems on the fly. At some point in the aging of the discs, however, the error threshold will exceed the ability of the error correction circuitry to fix it, and the "perfect playing" disc begins to skip, show pixelized imperfections, gets stuck, or fails to play--depending on the type of error and its position on the disc.
If you are getting acceptable playback on multiple DVD players when using a variety of brands, then one of two things is happening: 1) your recording drive is compatible with all or most of these brands and is producing good recordings on them, recordings that ought to last 30 or 40 years; 2) your recording drive is producing recordings with high error rates on some or most of your discs, but those rates are now below the error correction threshold of some or all of the DVD players. In the second case, some of the recordings may play back for the next six months or 5 years or more until the errors increase enough to exceed the threshold.
The differences between the brands you mentioned and Verbatim media are that almost all recording drives are compatible with Verbatim whereas the others are less compatible. Those lucky enough to have drives with generous compatibility support find their drives work well with many different discs. Those whose drives are more restrictive find they can typically use Verbatim media without problems while other brands are hit and miss. When there is a miss, these users often blame the miss on disc quality.
There is another objection to non-Verbatim media: certain brands source from multiple factories, often because they have to since their market shares are too great for a single factory to keep up with demand. Verbatim does the same thing, but the suppliers typically use the Verbatim M-code (either MCC or MKK) on all Verbatim product. The identical M-code assures the user of compatibility--but not identical recording quality unless the batch variations are minimal. Different M-codes, however, means varying compatibility for drives with restrictive firmware support. Reducing the variables by sticking to a single, compatible M-code is one solution for those who are having recording problems with certain media brands. In your case, you ought to check your playback quality with a scan of a few of the different types. If the scans look good, you have no reason to switch. If one brand or another has PIE rates approaching values of 100 or more, you may want to consider sticking with those brands that show lower rates. Scans are not considered valid test data, but they are good indices of general trends.
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27. August 2007 @ 14:05 |
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I know my backups will not probably last forever but so what dvds won't be around forever. HD-Dvd and Blu-Ray are already here and after a few years another medium will take over HD-Dvd or Blu-Ray.
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27. August 2007 @ 16:20 |
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taylor30- You live you learn ! if whatever brand you use works and meets your expectations then fine ! If other members like Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden or sony or Tdk Ect... That's fine Too ! And yes you have a point ! to a point that is in that Blu-Ray & HD DVD will replace DVD One day ! and be Replaced themselves by something better ! possibly something That is some sort of Crystal storage Media with no moving parts or god knows what ? But I don't see it that One's use of A certain Brand of media Verbatim , Taiyo Yuden or whatever makes them a snob !!people buy media because it meets their Needs and expectations in various areas ! Price point , Quality , reputation of the Manufacturer ect... Also maybe they need specialty media like Lightscribe or DVD+R DL .. Personally I use Verbatims , taiyo Yudens , Sony , Ritek & RicohJpn media at one time or another as well as several other brands when I first started out ! I don't think I;m better than anyone here,or smarter or more important ! Im just me ! There are many good People here far more brilliant than me ! that;s for sure ! And most are expert in one or more areas of computing , Dvd technology or software!!! But they are also Friends & good helpful people who will help anyone they can if they can ? So taylor30 My friend Keep an open mind and enjoy this hobby we all share ! Happy burning !!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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27. August 2007 @ 17:34 |
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A good way to check to see how well your backups are is to re-rip them back onto your harddrive,without getting any crc errors.
Try a few and see for yourself. If you can successfully get them to rip,then you're ok.
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27. August 2007 @ 17:44 |
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Originally posted by saugmon:
A good way to check to see how well your backups are is to re-rip them back onto your harddrive,without getting any crc errors.
Try a few and see for yourself. If you can successfully get them to rip,then you're ok.
Interesting, I never thought about that. Thanks for the tip.
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28. August 2007 @ 01:29 |
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I found that out when I tried re-ripping MCC004 backups that were burned at 2.4x..
Way too many crc errors. MCC-004 has to burn at least 8x on my benqs.
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28. August 2007 @ 09:02 |
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Saugmon,
That is another way to do it, but it does include any deviation of the drive (as does a scan, to a lesser degree). The cyclic redundancy check is a series of attempts to read data from a medium, trying different error correction methods on the attempts in order to piece together a good idea of what the data should be. A playback speed problem in a drive at a certain speed can affect the results and make it appear that the medium is at fault. (Sometimes an odd multiple of that playback speed resolves the problem--the disc has not changed, but its performance looks better.)
The other two problems with just checking for CRC errors is that: 1) they will appear when a disc has exceeded the error threshold. A scan is a graphic picture of how far from or close to the threshold the PIE/PIF/POF error rates are--and that is good information to know in order to estimate when a "perfect" disc goes bad. The distribution of errors is good information to have. The second problem is that a CRC error can appear from a transient flaw on the disc if a piece of debris stuck to the disc during recording and fell off later. The debris no longer appears, but the poorly formed mark from its blocking the recording laser still exists. The disc could have been an excellent match with a drive, but that error may lead one to judge otherwise. (If the debris was on the disc when it was removed from the package, that is a quality issue due to poor processing in or before packaging. If the debris appeared after the disc was removed from its package, that would be an environmental problem. The appearance of CRC errors doesn't give as much information as a scan does.)
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28. August 2007 @ 11:50 |
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Then you can add in the Sunrise,sunset,moon rise,moon set, Vernal,autumnal equinox,summer/winter solstace,and the wind direction.
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28. August 2007 @ 12:52 |
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If those have any influence, it may be time to bring your Plextor in from outdoors--or at least wrap it in plastic.
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28. August 2007 @ 13:33 |
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28. August 2007 @ 14:14 |
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Relative humidity,altitude,polution index,pollen/mold count,and barometric pressure can also factor in those glitches as well.
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28. August 2007 @ 16:07 |
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Originally posted by LOCOENG:
So much for brand loyalty then...
I may be off a little here, but I'll do my best from memory:
Office Depot = CMC Mag, Ritek
Maxell = CMC Mag, Ritek, Moser Bauer, Hitachi(the good stuff)and maxell's own.
TDK = TTH (TDK's own), Moser Bauer, CMC Mag
Add Richo (f I spelled it right) to the list of Maxell manufacturers as well as Prodisc.
For Maxell here is how to tell who really made the disc. Look for the last few letters ofthe part code near the UPC.
RT = Richo
PT = Prodisc
MDM = Ritek
CMC = CMC
I haven't seen the other manufacturers lately on this brand.
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28. August 2007 @ 16:45 |
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I am near the end of a Maxell 100 disk spindle, purchased a year ago at a Wal Mart in Canada.
PN050992/MDM, but the disks code out as MXL RG03, not Ritek.
The original, printed, UPC label (which says 'Made in Taiwan') has an overlapped tri-lingual UPC sticker which says 'Made in Japan'.
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29. August 2007 @ 01:34 |
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For Maxell here is how to tell who really made the disc. Look for the last few letters of the part code near the UPC.
RT = Richo
PT = Prodisc
MDM = Ritek
CMC = CMC
Is that only on the newer 16x maxells?
MXL-RG03 are the -8x maxells. Very good and lots of the 8x maxells were made in Japan by hitachi.
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29. August 2007 @ 04:00 |
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@bratcher
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Add Richo (f I spelled it right)
The spelling nazi says it is spelled Ricoh...LOL
@attar
MXL is Maxells own manufacturing house, MID etc. If you can get your hands on some Maxell MIJ they should code as Hitachi High Grade and are just that, high grade and excellent. Right up there with Taiyo Yuden, but AFAIK I've only seen them as DVD+R hub printable and I stopped after 3 spindles (50 count) as I could only find them at OfficeMax for $50 a pop. I'm not sure where Maxell makes their own brand, it may very well be in Japan.
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29. August 2007 @ 06:03 |
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Originally posted by LOCOENG:
@bratcher
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Add Richo (f I spelled it right)
The spelling nazi says it is spelled Ricoh...LOL
@attar
Thanks.
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29. August 2007 @ 06:06 |
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Originally posted by saugmon:
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For Maxell here is how to tell who really made the disc. Look for the last few letters of the part code near the UPC.
RT = Richo
PT = Prodisc
MDM = Ritek
CMC = CMC
Is that only on the newer 16x maxells?
MXL-RG03 are the -8x maxells. Very good and lots of the 8x maxells were made in Japan by hitachi.
The codes I gave are for 16x. As for 8x Maxell I haven't seen any for a long while.
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29. August 2007 @ 11:07 |
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@LocoEng,
I've only seen Ritek and RicohJPN disks from Office Depot's home brand, I shudder to think of CMC creeping into their stock. Ugh.
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