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It could be your PS2. Read if you will!!!
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bvzxa
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23. December 2007 @ 03:23 |
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I have heard people say lots of times that their Slimps2's have trouble reading games.
I have been burning games sicne the days of the PS1, so I'm no noob to this. I have modded PS2's, run Memeory card expolits, and swap magic.
I have had three PS2's, the best one was the SPCH 39001 I case modded and ran an expoit. I have a slim now, and personally, I have gone through every type of media known to man.
I believe that swap magic is the problem, as well as the slimPS2 laser. I have burnt some PS2 games on the crappiest media, and they still, yes still work on the old fat PS2, using cogswap, and an original Metal gear Solid 3 disc as the TOC refresh.
I have had dirty, fingerpinted discs run flawlessly on my fat PS2, and can't get jack out of the slim.
I have used all combo's and changed I/O modes and still...
Why is it that after the first burn, the game will read perfectly on my slimPS2, then all of the sudded after going back a few hours later, the same disc won't read anymore.
Worse than that, the same disc has no fingerprints or anything, no scratches...this only happens on my slim PS2.
I have games, that have the same media, and one out of 5 just won't work...it's weird...no matter what I do..nothing. It like starting a car once...then after shutting it off, it never works again.
This is the prolem I have with some of my games...not all some.
And I know I'm in a finacial rut at the momnet, but as soon as the money rolls in, I'm getting rid of my slim PS2 and getting another fatty. And yes, they can keep swap magic too.
If you are experiencing this problem, post here.
If anyone can help....I fully appreciate it, becuase buying media is getting expensive.
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Z3120
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23. December 2007 @ 04:52 |
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By any chance you read my long expletive rant here?
Well, doesn't matter if you have or not, but I do indeed share the same resentments you have against your slim PS2. The first PS2 I owned was a v5/v6 (never broke warranty) fat bulky PS2, and it is still running somewhat strong (CD diode practically dead but reads DVDs fine) even to this day.
I gotten into playing games off an IDE HDD like months ago, but before that, I had a v17 silver slim PS2 I would use with Swap Magic to play backups on my 8x Taiyo Yuden DVD+R. The v17 PS2 was prone to overheating and subjects each and every original and backup disc with in-game errors spontaneously, and it varies extremely depending on what game too. I especially had horrible experiences with getting my PSX games to work well.
Glitches, bugs, freezes and so forth never occurred when I played them on my previous PS2 and my old PSX, but these problems arose so frequently and randomly, I practically gave up on PSX games in general. Playing PS2 games are somewhat tolerable, but if you're as keen as me, you'll notice slight visual problems and lag eventually around the hour and a half mark. Quite noticeable after two hours without a doubt. And plus, it takes awhile for the slim PS2 to finally cool down and dissipate the heat as badly as the launch basic 360 I'm using.
As for your particular problem, I think I encounter a similar situation where my slim PS2 would create minuscule scratches on the sides of the backup. Usually, it's not a problem with games small in size but when you're playing something like Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria where games stretch around the 4 gigabyte mark, just like your slim PS2, it becomes unreadable for some weird reason until I found out about the scratches. What did I do? I bought a few more v7 (SCPH-39001) and began playing games off the IDE HDD nowadays. For games incompatible with the HDD, I reserve them for another workable PS2 - most preferably my v5/v6 PS2.
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bvzxa
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23. December 2007 @ 05:38 |
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Damn....interesting!!
Ok...case in point. For Garou Battle Archives 2, I went through some media, got it to work finally on MAxell DVD-R discs.
Now, I got Another Century's Episode 2....works flawlessly on the same media, also clocks in at 3.04GB, now I got Another Cenutry's episode 2 Special Vocal Version, and it won't play on the second or third try...but it clocks in at 3.10GB. It's odd, becuase Virtual On Marz is less than 3GB, so and I no some of my other games, like part 3 of Another Century Epiose are bigger, much bigger.
It could be that where the data is, the scratches would cause it for every disc burned, regardless of type of media.
Garou would be the one that gave me grief, because I went through one type of Memorex, to Maxell discs overnight, before I got it to work on the color MAxell Discs.
Currently, Naruto Shippuden Accel 2 works flawlessly using the same media, just checked it tonight four times. I may have to remove the dummy data, but it's a hassle to mess with iso's everytime I d\l, and sometimes the dummy data has been removed.
With the case of the A.C.E series, I don't think the dummy file is that big.
Man, I really might trade in my slim, for another fatty, and go back to a flip-top case. Probaly get another HD tray. Damn, it's gonna cost me.
So how did you figure out about the fact that the slims make these scratches, maybe it's to identify the game as an original. People say that that can't be, but some copied games awhile back would degrade without patching it.
This might help becuase, past my short run with memeorex, all of my Maxell copies work.
Glad to see I'm not the only one having or noticing this problem
Thanks!!
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Z3120
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24. December 2007 @ 04:53 |
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More than anything now, it sounds like you're using bad media quality than anything else. Forget how bad the slim PS2s are. Bad media is bad media, period. Even though this site here is somewhat outdated, it's not so bad that it's totally inaccurate. Give and take, I say very few brands have moved up and down in the past decade.
Media ID is very important. You say you use Memorex, but as far as I know, they're generally known as Memosux to me unless you have them coded out as RITEKs. One way you can check for media ID on your DVDs is using something like DVD Decrypter or Nero CD/DVD Speed.
As far as I know, DVD+Rs work better with the silver slim PS2s and up while DVD-Rs, overall, works nearly as well or better for almost any PS2. If one type doesn't work, you can try using the other. In rare cases, DVD+R works better even on fat PS2s. Better brands such as Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim are the best quality you can find. Verbatim is highly regarded here as better, but I prefer my TYs any day.
As for Maxell? I rate them the same as the Ritek and TDKs I've encountered.
Overall, it sounds like you're using some pretty bad DVDs. Maxells are better than Memorex at least. Also, have you ever tried playing those same disc you've been struggling to load (the ones where they play fine once but never load again) repeatedly and get the same results? In some instances, bad media will have infrequent loading times, which can vary extremely. And with infrequent loading times, also, comes with horrible otherworldly results. Using good quality media can have practically identical results (or even better) than the original.
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So how did you figure out about the fact that the slims make these scratches, maybe it's to identify the game as an original. People say that that can't be, but some copied games awhile back would degrade without patching it.
Nope, not at all. It just goes to show you how bad the slim PS2s are compared to their older counterparts - the fat PS2s. The slim PS2s don't have such an advance security system to identify fakes (as far as I recall), but nonetheless, it's known when using anything other than a pressed disc, your PS2's laser will read backups harder and strain itself more. Depending how big that strain will be also varies depending on what media brand you choose to use.
Edit: You wanna know why Memorex and other cheap brands are horribly bad? Try leaving those Memorex discs outside a room and not stored inside a drawer or something on hot days. You'll notice discoloration eventually, which usually indicates bad dye quality. When you see disc degrading like that, your data isn't so great either. Regardless, even if you do store them away from average room temperature, most cases I find myself with dead data in Memorex a few months or year(s) later. Now using something like Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim and even Sony, at least you can expect a 20 life-expectancy easily.
And yeah, sounds like bad quality to me. Maxell? I gave up those easily after my first burnt. They weren't that much better than the Memorex(Riteks) I managed to find.
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bvzxa
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24. December 2007 @ 22:11 |
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Maybe so.
But I just got Naruot Shippuden Accel, using the same discs, and it works fine.
Personally, I really haven't experienced too many problems with burns until I got the slimPS2. But to test the wayer, I cam going to repkace my DVD burner, since the CD laser dies on it some months ago, and maybe by new media, but I never really had to worry about media, until I got a slim.
I remember I burnt Raxepheon on memorex discs, the game worked fine on my fat PS2, but it gave serious errors on my roommate's slim PS2. So I am going to get rid of the slimPS2, as well as swap magic, and go back to the fat PS2, and put a 120GB HD in there, like I did for my XBOX.
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Z3120
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25. December 2007 @ 15:33 |
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Honestly, I think you're best off doing what I did and play games from the HDD (IDE HDD of course). You can also view movies and such by streaming similar to the 360 and all. It wasn't until I managed to find an actual use for an overheated 360 that the question of watching videos and stuff on my PS2 ever occurred to me. Strange, I know.
And if your burnt backups don't work on a friends, that's usually not abnormal. Different media works for different people. I even got told one time to test some kind of CMC MAG media ID disc (forgot the name completely) runs extremely well on their black slim PS2, almost comparable to Verbatim and such. In the end, I say use the type of media that's best for you although there have been known cases where the very recent silver slim PS2s cannot read DVD-Rs. The success rate of those DVD-Rs being read by a slim PS2 lessens too depending on the quality.
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bvzxa
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25. December 2007 @ 20:54 |
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I did have a fat PS2 and played games off the HD...an official 40GB one, I had found it at a pawn shop. It was stolen, and that's why I went and bought a slim one.
But next year, I'm going to get another fat PS2...so we'll see.
And thanks friend, for sounding like you understand where I was coming from...some folks try to treat you like you don't know what you're talking about.
I will be using Verbatim's for now on, but it's just too far wawy to go and get them with the price of gas and all.
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Z3120
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27. December 2007 @ 00:31 |
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I suggest some online retailers such as SuperMediaStore, NewEgg, MeritLine or Rima. I list all 4 because there are instances where one or the other(s) might have better prices than the rest. Like SuperMediaStore for example sells Taiyo Yuden DVD-Rs a few more dollars than Rima. There are probably other notable stores I'm forgetting to mention, but those four are what I usually browse through.
As for the media quality, honestly, the way I see it, unless those TDKs or Memorex aren't CMC MAGs - media IDs in DVDs generally known to be bad quality - why not spend just a few more cents on stuff that's higher quality and has longevity? Believe it or not, this is one of the rare instances the Sony brand doesn't disappoint. They're actually quite good. If you look hard enough, you can find Verbatim DVDs under the Sony name. That's why, although the media ID list I showed you earlier is outdated, if you're fortunate and look hard enough, you can find some good quality DVDs even under what's generally known as bad brands like Memorex.
Edit: Outdated as in the quality of brands might have shifted upwards or down, which isn't many and is quite few. As for the CMC MAG media IDs, they can be good, I guaranteed you. But that's another journey where experience will tell you which CMC MAG is better. For example, the CMC MAGs F01s from TDKs (from my experience) are 1000% or more better the CMC MAGs M01s. Doing quality check scans using something like Nero CD/DVD Speed is where I got the estimation of just how much better TDKs are than Memorex. I also tested the level of performance on how long each different DVD can hold data without undergoing data corruption quickly. From my experience, TDK CMC MAGs are indefinitely better than Memorex CMC MAGs.
Memorex can be good like their RICOHJPNs, but they outsource way too much in their CMC MAG M01s for me to warrant them highly.
And no problem about the help. I remember I encountered a very similar situation as you.
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bvzxa
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27. December 2007 @ 01:37 |
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Ok...where could I find some of these better barand media without ordering online.
would a computer store be a good start? I go to those places, but it's to get hardware, so do you know of any places?
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Z3120
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27. December 2007 @ 18:03 |
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I usually shop for my disc online nowadays. Shopping at reliable online retailers ensures you'll get Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim absolutely (though there can sometimes be the obsolete bad batch for a very minuscule number) compared to browsing the nearby market, which requires a more keen observation to determine what you might get with some assurance.
Now I'm speaking merely from experience so take what you will of it.
Unless they're Sony, I generally avoid 16x DVDs in general especially those 16x Memorex special value sales you tend to see. That's where I find most of my utterly horrid CMC MAGs (the worse kind of CMC MAGs anyway). If the price is extremely good like 10 for 100, then I will buy them. Why do I still buy them if they're that bad? Let's say you merely want to burn something for a friend and don't care if you get it back. Those sort of circumstances is why I could care less the thing I burnt them is covered with dirt. They can keep it.
Looking discreetly at certain features and subtle markings can help determine what media ID you're looking for. As for what to look for exactly? I say search in afterdawn for those descriptions. Whenever I feel up to it, I check Bestbuy, Frys, Office Depot and even a local Samsclub is where I look for my DVDs.
I always look for the 8x or below DVD-R and DVD+R batches. The brands I tend to check out are Ritek, Maxell, Memorex, Sony, Verbatim and TDK. If the price is right (and definitely cheap) for anything not named Sony and Verbatim, I'd buy them with at least some assurance they might be good based on appearance. It can still be a hit and miss even with careful observation.
But yeah, if your local Bestbuy has Verbatim, I say go for it more than Sony personally. By the way, if you're concerned about getting a specific media ID, I would also advise looking up descriptions you can find here at afterdawn.
Edit: And as advice, I say burnt games at half the rated speed of the DVD - 8x burn speed on 16x, 4x burn on a 8x and so forth; though, it shouldn't matter if you have a good burner and good quality DVDs.
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bvzxa
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27. December 2007 @ 18:56 |
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Yeah.
I got a new Lite-On 20A1P today, and some Sony DVD-R, and used my ID progarm to get the AD which was Sony16D1...so I'll give those a shot becuase I get a discount at WalMart.
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So far so good!!! The new disce seem much more stable than the old ones I have been using. I still use the MAxells for some games, but the Sony's are a big improvement. Plus a new burner...yay me!!
good to go!!
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Z3120
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28. December 2007 @ 01:59 |
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Glad to hear things are better and no compatibility issues so far. I previously owned a Lite-On burner before. They're nice.
Just make sure when you're using your burner to update its firmware to the most recent if you're like a few versions behind or if you're having trouble burning certain DVDs. Although, honestly, I suggest you to update the firmware anyway. It's always nice to have an up-to-date firmware for your burner to improve optimization and burning performances.
Not quite sure if the firmware does what I just said exactly (as I'm too unsure at the moment), but nonetheless, at least your burner won't kick the can as early as one that doesn't have it.
Edit: You can easily look for a firmware update utility for your specific burner by going through DVD Decryptor's Tool option>Drive>Check For Firmware Updates
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Delmorte
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28. December 2007 @ 09:45 |
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I have used every media as well and I will tell you its the media. I now use sony media exclusivly, nothing else. I never have any problems ( except the one that have been my fault ). I had more problems with my fat PS2 ( with the exception of the slims short laser life ) than I ever had with my slim.
Trust me use the Sony DVD-R or CD-R, every other brand acted like crap after the first few days of its life. I remember burning a back up and goin directly to a friends house for example. We played the game so I could sho him it works for about 5 minutes then when I got home I went to put it in my slim and it was garbage. It didnt even see my slim so that leads me to belive its not always just the PS2 cause it did the same in my Fatty before it kicked the bucket.
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kalkan
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28. December 2007 @ 09:56 |
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Using a fat ps2 since 2002. Modded in 2004 with messiah.
I had never problems with games or playing online etc.
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bvzxa
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28. December 2007 @ 12:00 |
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Originally posted by Delmorte:
I have used every media as well and I will tell you its the media. I now use sony media exclusivly, nothing else. I never have any problems ( except the one that have been my fault ). I had more problems with my fat PS2 ( with the exception of the slims short laser life ) than I ever had with my slim.
Trust me use the Sony DVD-R or CD-R, every other brand acted like crap after the first few days of its life. I remember burning a back up and goin directly to a friends house for example. We played the game so I could sho him it works for about 5 minutes then when I got home I went to put it in my slim and it was garbage. It didnt even see my slim so that leads me to belive its not always just the PS2 cause it did the same in my Fatty before it kicked the bucket.
See you had diffrent problems wuth your slim than I did. But my fatty PS2 was pretty decent. And just like me, it seems the degradation would happen about 5 to 10min later. I guess everyone has different experiences with the PS2, fat or slim.
And as for Sony brand media, I notice that the slimPS2 laser reads quietly when using Sony brand DVD.
As for my PS1 back-ups, and PS2 CD back-ups work excellent with just about any CD media. I have some as old as '99 for the PS1, and they work well on the slimPS2.
Originally posted by Z3120:
Glad to hear things are better and no compatibility issues so far. I previously owned a Lite-On burner before. They're nice.
Just make sure when you're using your burner to update its firmware to the most recent if you're like a few versions behind or if you're having trouble burning certain DVDs. Although, honestly, I suggest you to update the firmware anyway. It's always nice to have an up-to-date firmware for your burner to improve optimization and burning performances.
Not quite sure if the firmware does what I just said exactly (as I'm too unsure at the moment), but nonetheless, at least your burner won't kick the can as early as one that doesn't have it.
Edit: You can easily look for a firmware update utility for your specific burner by going through DVD Decryptor's Tool option>Drive>Check For Firmware Updates
Thanks again. I have been a fan of Lite-On burners for years, since 2001. My friend and I are good at building top quality computing machines (just not for ourselves), and I tell people when putting their computers together to get Lite-On.
This is number 3 for me, and it came with the latest firmware installed.
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Z3120
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28. December 2007 @ 14:53 |
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Originally posted by bvzxa:
And as for Sony brand media, I notice that the slimPS2 laser reads quietly when using Sony brand DVD.
Good media and a good burn goes a long way in lessening the strain on a PS2's laser when reading a backup; hence, why there should be a noticeable reading speed difference compared between Memorex and Sony. Think about it this way. If bad media is used to record data, it's makes it harder for your PS2 to read that data. Sony, Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden are all very good DVD brands. Which is better? There's up to preference, experience and different hardware setups.
Why settle for Ritek and Maxell when you can upgrade with only a few more cents to spend?
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bvzxa
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29. December 2007 @ 00:43 |
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Originally posted by Z3120:
Originally posted by bvzxa:
And as for Sony brand media, I notice that the slimPS2 laser reads quietly when using Sony brand DVD.
Good media and a good burn goes a long way in lessening the strain on a PS2's laser when reading a backup; hence, why there should be a noticeable reading speed difference compared between Memorex and Sony. Think about it this way. If bad media is used to record data, it's makes it harder for your PS2 to read that data. Sony, Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden are all very good DVD brands. Which is better? There's up to preference, experience and different hardware setups.
Why settle for Ritek and Maxell when you can upgrade with only a few more cents to spend?
Oh yeah...agree 100%
But a few months back, I got some PS2 games burned on some slightly different looking MAxell discs, sent to me, that read like the Sony discs, but they have a different ID: MXLRG02. That's why I went with MAxell, but I don't care for DVD Decrypter, but it's good for media ID, so I saw that looked it up, those are MAxell discs from Japan. When I got them, I wasn't using DVD decrypter, and just got on the PS2 memory card exploit scene two years ago.
Where are those discs from, they must not be sold normally, coz all my other Maxells are Ritek.
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Z3120
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29. December 2007 @ 02:32 |
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Originally posted by bvzxa:
Where are those discs from, they must not be sold normally, coz all my other Maxells are Ritek.
That's why it's inherently important (at least for me when I do so) to look at physical packaging, specific markings and/or certain features. Occasionally, you can tell what media ID you'll get. Now for brands such as Memorex especially those 16x DVD+Rs, most likely, you'll get CMC MAGs, and, very rarely, obtain a few good RICOHJPNs even when looking carefully. Different brands, different kind of finds really.
To avoid such hassle, online is a great place to check when you know they're reliable.
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29. December 2007 @ 09:43 |
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The absolultley best way to avoid a hassel is to just go to your local walmart and get a good Sony brand pack of discs. That way you dont need to worry about where they are coming from and can read the damn label and tell all the specifics right before you buy them.
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Z3120
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29. December 2007 @ 18:30 |
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That's the thing about quality brands. Unless they drop in quality and resort to outsourcing like what Memorex generally does, you can simply look for the brand like Sony and expect to get great quality unlike the guessing game you have to do with such brands like Memorex, Maxell, Ritek and TDK. To those that want to settle for Maxell or Ritek, usually those I find in the store, you need to carefully observe for what you want specifically. And, even then, you might not get what you're looking for. At least when you're buying stuff like Ritek or Maxell online, you know what you'll be getting.
Strangely (and somewhat funny), is this is one of the rare occurrences where Sony is actually a good brand.
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bvzxa
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31. December 2007 @ 04:10 |
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Originally posted by Z3120:
That's the thing about quality brands. Unless they drop in quality and resort to outsourcing like what Memorex generally does, you can simply look for the brand like Sony and expect to get great quality unlike the guessing game you have to do with such brands like Memorex, Maxell, Ritek and TDK. To those that want to settle for Maxell or Ritek, usually those I find in the store, you need to carefully observe for what you want specifically. And, even then, you might not get what you're looking for. At least when you're buying stuff like Ritek or Maxell online, you know what you'll be getting.
Strangely (and somewhat funny), is this is one of the rare occurrences where Sony is actually a good brand.
Agreed.
Just redid some of my discs that did not work, like Tekken 5, now it works. But why is it that some games work well and some don't.
I'm eventually going to re-back-up my games to my Sony DVD-R...so I'll be doing that. Just might keep my slimPS2 after all.
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sabrex
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15. January 2008 @ 07:36 |
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Lool...
I've a completely different opinion about ps2 fat and slim. I've two friends with fat's and the others including me have a slim. In my opinion the laser of the slim is more powerfull ... the most of the problems that you report are related with bad media (try verbatim azo) and probably high temperature (try to put your slims on a vertical position and buy an usb fan for ps2 slim... it helps!!!).
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Delmorte
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15. January 2008 @ 08:17 |
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WOW! Just WOW! Am I the only one that heard how bad it is on the lens to place the slim in a vertical position?
I could have swore I read that at least 80% of the people with problems with the slim that don't play backups are related to standing it on a vertical stand....;)
Even with the best media you still loose the lens way to early.
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sabrex
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15. January 2008 @ 09:05 |
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Originally posted by Delmorte:
WOW! Just WOW! Am I the only one that heard how bad it is on the lens to place the slim in a vertical position?
I could have swore I read that at least 80% of the people with problems with the slim that don't play backups are related to standing it on a vertical stand....;)
Even with the best media you still loose the lens way to early.
My game backups work with the ps2 slim (70004 CB) on a vertical stand.
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Z3120
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15. January 2008 @ 17:40 |
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Originally posted by sabrex:
My game backups work with the ps2 slim (70004 CB) on a vertical stand.
Sounds like a v13 slim PS2 you have there. The black slim PS2s were solid from what I've heard since you can host up a ide hdd and such unlike the latter v14 and up. The silver slim Ps2s, however, is another story entirely or at least v14+ PS2s. I heard Sony fixed some of the issues present in like the v16 and v17 in the new v19s+ like better cooling ventilation, but I haven't bought another PS2 to really care nor bother. Be lucky you have a SCPH-70004 if that is indeed what you have.
Originally posted by Delmorte :
WOW! Just WOW! Am I the only one that heard how bad it is on the lens to place the slim in a vertical position?
Probably? At least to my knowledge the slim PS2s are still bad regardless of what position you play your PS2 in. The poorly ventilated slim PS2s are exposed further depending on your average room temperature. Getting an optional fan like a usb fan to cool something like the launch 360s does certainly help. Just gets annoying somewhat you know you have to spend an extra 30 or so for something to function properly.
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