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I've given up on ps2 backups
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Oujisama
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27. January 2008 @ 19:02 |
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My backups failed to work every single time I burned one. I'll make it short and run down a list.
My burned games work for awhile and then freeze up and stop working all together.
1. It is not swap magic. My friend tried it on his modded ps2 and experienced the same problem.
2. It is not my ps2. Again, my friend has tried them on his ps2 and experienced the same problems. I've also been through extensive laser cleaning and adjusting.
3. It is not the iso. I make sure the Iso's are legit by checking the comments. Its also unlikely that ALL of my burnt games happened to be bad iso's.
4. It is not my burner or the speed at which im burning in. I've tried burning it on three different burners, two of which were of the highest quality. I also followed the sticky and burned at half the DVD's written max speed.
5. This is the most important step. I am finally convinced...it IS NOT BECAUSE OF BAD MEDIA. I've been all the best media out there. Verbatim, Sony, and Taiyo Yudens. I thought my troubles were over when I finally bought Taiyo Yuden DVD-R's from a trustworthy store (supermediastore.com). Unfortunately, that was far from true. I burned a game, and played for a few days. Finally, it froze up and stopped working!!!
I have no idea what could be the reason. There is no possible reason, there just isn't! Can someone step up with a miracle cure and help me, because burning games is a lost art to me!
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tcx
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28. January 2008 @ 04:15 |
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what is the process that you are creating your image? dvd decrypter and isobuster... etc etc? maybe it's a setting in one of those programs. If you are using those programs maybe you could try something like 'dd' Its a unix/linux command for copying a disc, basically it's like all these programs decrypter, etc, but essentially we're talking about 1's and 0's right? why not make an exact copy of the disc?
tcx
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Oujisama
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28. January 2008 @ 15:31 |
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I use dvd decrypter to burn my backups. I just go with a straight forward iso write. I dont see how anything could be wrong with that.
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28. January 2008 @ 16:29 |
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I would suggest MAKING ONE OF YOUR OWN .iso first,
Then trying to burn your own image of on of your original games,
Make sure the original works in the ps2 first,
Then attempt to re-burn using the following instructions.
(Downloads can easily be corrupted, buy one person ( a
watchdog so to speak) sending a bad part of the file.
That's why my suggestion is to try MY method on a working
original IN YOUR possession.
It much easier to fix and troubleshoot this way,
That to base your conclusions on a downloaded image,
Which could have a number of problems no matter what comments say.
I have seen MANY MANY trojans.viruses and the Like, and many comments,
that say "it works", and the like, So I would recommend doing it yourself.
Use Quality Media I use
Verbatim dvd+r
***** BURN AT NO MORE THAN 2X****** <-----------(IMPORTANT)
TURN OFF ANY BACKGROUND APPLICATIONS
1. Take the ps2 game put it in the dvd rom or dvd burner, your choice.
2. open the dvd decrypter program then go to to tool bar and hit MODE>ISO>READ. Then choose the correct dvd drive that the game is in as the "source". Also choose where you want the files to be stored on the pc hdd. THEN CLICK DECRYPT , or the huge graphical picture at the bottom of the program which makes it run. The game is now copying to your HDD. Take the game out when finished (it might take a while).
3. Go to the same tab in dvd decrypter and choose MODE>ISO>WRITE. This will then let you look for the files you just created in step 2. Select the file that you just created. (There is only 2 files created so pick the .mds) (The smaller file)Then click WRITE, make sure there is blank DVD in the drive.
Always BOOKTYPE to DVD-ROM format
I know you have tried many times,
But Please try my method with your own WORKING ps2 ORIGINAL,
This will rule out bad iso, incorrect regions/patching and the like.
Also this method uses the .mds and .mdf files rather than standard .iso
I have used this method succesfully for YEARS now,
Also make sure to use the small .mds file and NOT the .mdf
This file holds special information that will make
the working 1:1 copy that has been eluding you so far.
Good luck and keep us updated,
Possunt Quia Posse Videntur. This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 28. January 2008 @ 16:33
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Oujisama
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30. January 2008 @ 21:27 |
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Well to keep you updated, I ripped an iso off my perfectly working and original games (final fantasy X) and burned it on my taiyo yuden dvd-r. It usually takes awhile for the game to stop working so I'll have to keep wearing it out to see if it'll die out. This'll take a few days.
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WAZ__Up
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30. January 2008 @ 22:48 |
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see my tutorial. "guide to making and burning ps2 games"
It's got cinnimon sugar swirls in every bite!!
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Oujisama
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31. January 2008 @ 15:09 |
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I don't use cogswap, I use swap magic. I also use dvd decrypter, not clonecd. Whats sad is there are hundreds of people on these boards who have the same problems, but nobody really has any real solution.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 31. January 2008 @ 17:01
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dab0ne
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1. February 2008 @ 02:18 |
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I know youve adjusted and cleaned the laser but have you thought about replacing it all together? and i know it didnt work on your friends and maybe, by some coincidence, his laser is getting weak too. i had that problem with my modded 360. the burnt media wore my laser out until i finally had to replace it. hope this helps... just a shot in the dark.
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Oujisama
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1. February 2008 @ 17:39 |
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I cant waste any more money on things Im not sure of. I already wasted too much money buying high quality media that ended up not working so its really just a stupid loss for me. I do think my laser is getting worn out, but I don't have the money to replace it right now.
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varnull
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1. February 2008 @ 18:05 |
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I'm just wondering how you are storing these disks.. They seem to be deteriorating rapidly for good branded media. What do you keep them in?
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Oujisama
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2. February 2008 @ 01:56 |
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I keep them in their own brand new dvd cases. I buy dvd cases and make covers for each of them and stuff. I doubt im leaving them prone to scratches or anything.
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Z3120
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2. February 2008 @ 14:34 |
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What version is your PS2 - the SCPH number you can see on the sticker of your PS2 somewhere? Is it a fat or slim PS2? Because from the sound of things, I automatically assume you have a fat PS2 and have a custom flip-top casing for it. I've always had qualms with the custom flip-top casing you can buy online because it's not built as a perfect fit for the PS2 since the disc, both backup and original, can scratch easily and somewhat badly. And depending on your installation of the casing, the scratches can vary in size. Hence, why I always tell those who plan to buy one, if possible, to create their own if they have experience with creating things i.e. architecture as a hobby.
Also, it just plainly sounds like your laser is getting worn out. If you seldom play PSX games, audio CDs or blue colored PS2 games like RTK8, Dynasty Tactics and so forth, and only play nothing but DVD game, it could perhaps be time to search for a new PS2.
How long have you had your PS2? If you have the v9 or v10 fat PS2 in particular, I believe though that those lasers specifically are hardware faulty (manufactured-related), and they tend to quickly burn out compare to a v5 or v6.
What's the condition of the games that fail to work anymore? There's a possibility of minuscule scratches that can really affect a game quite severely like Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria. And if you are getting scratches, it's not pretty to load up such a game in that state. And to add on top of that, a worn out laser can make things extremely ugly. You'd be surprised how let's say a from a few years ago v7 fat PS2 and a v20+ slim PS2 you bought recently can load the same scratched disc. Sometimes it might not matter at all in some instances, but there have been situations where a backup has become unreadable on my friend's fat PS2, but I can perfectly salvage it, beat the game entirely and find no problems on my slim PS2.
What version is your friend's PS2? I'm assuming it's an old fat one altogether too. Just because the game doesn't work on his PS2 doesn't mean it doesn't work completely. There's a strange sort of reason unexplainable why people have varying results between using DVD-R and DVD+R, CMC MAGs (Williams, was it specifically?) and good media brands like Sony, Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden.
Edit: Also, you'd be surprised, if the scratches aren't THAT significantly bad, how you can make a perfectly good ISO from that game just like if you were to extract one from a Memorsux 16x value packs (mostly CMC MAG M01s, were they?). Which can go so far as to say the game isn't in too bad of a condition as you may think.
What kind of burners were you using anyway?
Do you ever get disc read errors from your PS2? If so, what instances?
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 2. February 2008 @ 14:47
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Oujisama
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3. February 2008 @ 00:00 |
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My ps2 is a fat v7. There are a few unnoticeable scratches here and there on all my games, though I consider this normal and it doesn't interfere with the game's quality in any way. I don't really know the technical info on my friend's ps2 but all I know is that it is fitted with a mod chip that can run all the games ive burned so far.
I think the most important thing here is that the condition of my laser is most likely very worn out. I've gotten a few disc read errors in the past, but I haven't gotten any in awhile. I'm still sure the laser is worn out and sooner or later it'll die out entirely. Ill have to consider looking for a few one.
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Oujisama
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8. February 2008 @ 00:29 |
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Something interesting to note. I downloaded an ISO of Kingdom Hearts and burned it at 4x speed on a Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R. I've clocked about 10 hours on it without any problems at all. Normally it would have stopped working at about the 4th hour, especially since the game is filled with long and detailed cut scenes. I'm going to conclude that it was a flawless burn, which also led to conclude that my laser is simply being picky because it is rather weak. Several of my burns, including Shinobi and Shadow of the Colossus, continue to work without any flaws. SOTC did freeze up at one point, but I managed to play for a few more hours and actually beat it without finding any more problems. I'm still not sure how and why everything is the way it is, and it'll take a miracle for me to find out exactly whats wrong and what the solution might be.
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dab0ne
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8. February 2008 @ 01:39 |
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i agree, just sounds like you need to use a higher quality of media. good luck to you (oh and by the way, SOTC is an amazing game. one of my personal favorites).
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mozEXE
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11. February 2008 @ 13:30 |
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The same thing has started happening to me.
I burnt Naruto Shippuuden Accel to a disk and it worked for about 2 hours, now it crashes at every load screen.
I then burned the sequel onto a disk and it's started to happen on that aswell.
I'm using Iso's, DVD Decryptor at x1 and Swap Magic Slide tool.
I've orderd some Memorex DVD-R's off ebay to see if they work any better.
If not, what can I do?
Cheers
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Oujisama
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11. February 2008 @ 22:35 |
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Its one thing to use Memorex Dvd's at all, but ebay? You should buy high quality media like Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden at a respectable store to avoid buying a bad batch.
More updates. I managed to completely finish Kingdom Hearts without facing any stuttering or freezing what so ever. I was quite surprised and I still have no idea why it was a perfect burn while the others simply weren't. If you want every bit of truth and detail, Kingdom Hearts did start stuttering at one point. There was VERY light stuttering during the end credits, which was basically a lengthy FMV sequence all together. It was reasonable that it would start stuttering. It didn't interfere with the game at all, but as soon as it got worse I just decided to turn the game off. I doubt it'll plague me any more. I haven't learned much more about this stuff yet, so stay tuned.
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mozEXE
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12. February 2008 @ 07:10 |
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I heard that Memorex DVD's can work quite well, and considering the ones I use now don't actually have a brand on them, it can't be much worse.
Plus, I bought them from an E-bay Online Store, which are like company's, so I doubt they will sell bad merch.
Or at least, I hope.
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dab0ne
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12. February 2008 @ 13:32 |
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i always recommend using a better, more high quality of media, but i dont really have room to talk because nearly all of my backups are on a memorex and they seem to work fine. and even if my ps2 goes bad i can always buy another one for like $100.
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Oujisama
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4. March 2008 @ 14:48 |
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I hath returned to report, yet again, a failed burn. The game stopped working after nearly 6 hours of clocked play. This is so stupid, burning games is a lost cause. I don't think people are being honest. At least 10 people come here daily with a backup problem, and no body knows the answer, EVERRRR. They give the usual solutions that never actually work. The people that say they havent had any problems have something else going on. It must have froze on occasion.
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dab0ne
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5. March 2008 @ 00:56 |
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of course some of my games have frozen before and some didnt work at all but for the most part they have all mostly worked pretty good. i dunno what to tell you though man... sorry about your luck. tough break.
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fangorn
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26. March 2008 @ 23:44 |
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I got absolutely same problem here. I have 3 ps2 slimline consoles - 2 brand new and 1 with replaced laser(all 3 consoles was modded with different chips). I write game image on original verbatim dvd-R(also tried +R) with imgburn. First, my discs work perfectly, but after some days it wouldnt boot on all 3 consoles anymore(my computer still read it without any problem). I write on Matshita DVD-RAM UJ-85JS and under Windows Vista Home Premium. Any suggestions?
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varnull
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27. March 2008 @ 00:04 |
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matsushita.. they sound bad as well.
It's time to get this sorted once and for all.. download http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/
and post what it says about your disks..
Nerocd/dvd speed will also do a surface and quality scan.. so get that and do some of those as well, both on a new burn which works, and on one after it fails, preferably one that is working and then stops working.. That way we have some concrete evidence of whatever is going on to be looking at.
As for lost causes.. I have 1000+ working xbox backups which are going strong after 4+ years, and a heap of ps2 backups going back even further. I remember it taking 4 hours to burn a dvd at £5 per disk, and those are still going strong. This loss of data is a sure sign of crappy qualit6y disks at the time of the burn, or something to do with the way they are being stored.. possibly there is a strong RF source nearby that you are not aware of..
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 27. March 2008 @ 00:08
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fangorn
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27. March 2008 @ 00:09 |
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yes, i already have this program and it looks like my dvd-r's is legit.
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:MCC 03RG20 ]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [MCC 03RG20 ]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
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[ DVD Identifier V5.0.1 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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fangorn
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27. March 2008 @ 00:33 |
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and i can't use nero speed quality check because it is not supported by my drive. :(
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