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Triock
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27. February 2006 @ 06:23 |
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Hey guys, i overclocked my 3700 to a 2.6 i can get to a 2.7 but it gets jumpy i.. i have a 38 gig hd at 7200 rmp's.. I am getting a 250 gig soon so what do i do to get it higher?
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27. February 2006 @ 07:13 |
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2600mhz is a lot, you're effectively running an Athlon64 4400+ (single core obviously) for 60% of the cost of a 4000+. Nice one!
To get things higher, you need to get rock stable memory (like Corsair TwinX), good cooling and be lucky. Some CPUs will overclock more than others, especially top of the type CPUs.
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Triock
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27. February 2006 @ 07:38 |
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Thanx,
He he, My dad does not know.. :)
And uh i have 1 gig of crucial pc 2800 i think, It runs at 400 megahertz
and i am going to get the asus premium with a 6800 gt for x mas,
And comments?
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Triock
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27. February 2006 @ 13:07 |
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Thinking about christmas already? Wow, some dedication. To be honest, if you're only ever going to have one GPU and you're not powermad, I'd go for the A8N-E instead, it's got most of the features and you save about whatever £60 is in US computer dollars (so probably about 100)
400mhz would be PC3200, and Crucial is a fine brand, so you should be OK with that. You may be running at the stable limit for the CPU in this instance, or other items such as the PCI bus are becoming unstable at such speeds, which would be solved by an Asus motherboard.
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27. February 2006 @ 14:32 |
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I don't know if you were around, but we went over the system with Triock at Christmas time. His dad had the last say as it was his bucks making the Christmas purchase. By inserting a bit of reality, I was once called the "Grinch who stole Christmas". The one stick of RAM means that there is no dual channel capability, that takes matched sets on a capable system. Another thing to remember is that C2 memory is needed to get better clock timing. If Triock gets caught messing around with the clock settings, his dad might take him for a visit to the woodshed or wherever. Triock's "Dear Old Dad" thinks we're a bunch of fools leading his young Triock astray. Plus, Daddy Triock has proven to have a temper and little Tiock likes to push his buttons. ;)
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27. February 2006 @ 14:49 |
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"Grinch who stole Christmas"
Hmm! I new about the Grinch part but you stole christmas too?
CAS2 isn't necessarily the best for overclocking but it is good. There are memor sticks that specialize in badnwidth instead of latencies such as DDR 500 PC4000C3 with timings of 3-4-4-8. This RAM has a higher overclocking potential than say DDR 400 PC3200C2 because it's native speed is 250 mhz where as the CAS2 is 200 mhz. With DDR 500 (AMD system) to overclock to 250 only the HTT needs to be dropped and the frontside bus upped, but with DDR 400, the memory divider needs to be dropped to 333 Mhz, the HTT to 4X, and the frontside bus upped.
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27. February 2006 @ 14:57 |
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With those RAM packages, you're talking about even more expensive items and you're moving on up the scale away from the PC 2800. ... PC 3200, PC 3500, DDR 433, DDR 500...
Considering the performance chips are high end single cores and dual cores, a $200 3700 isn't going to be winning any bench races. So, Triock is OC(ing) his 2.2GHz Manchester to 20% to 25% with one stick of PC2800 C3 RAM. I'd think it's probably about to frag at 25% without the right supporting components. We've yet to see any benches posted or the CPUZ screenshots. Triock Daddy didn't pay for a performance machine. Triock has got a bunch of future birthdays and Christmases to think about upgrades. Since performance PCs are an expensive hobby for anyone without a job, I think Triock is going to have to get a job when old enough before he dabbles too much. Before he gets all the presents, his system is pushing obsolescence. Only 1 birthday and 1 Christmas per year.
Heck, I'm already working on Christmas 2008 with my old parts. LOL I have to steal a Christmas or 2 to catch up. ;)
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27. February 2006 @ 15:13 |
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I'm aware of the new memory being developed. I may not be up on the latest; but OCZ, Corsair and others were hard at work on the larger RAM cards to support the new 1GHz FSB systems. Higher speeds than the C2, but with slower timing; as you pointed out. I've not built anything yet that could benefit from those memory packages. I'm still playing with old parts. LOL I'll have to rethink memory when/if I build a true high end custom (or even a good middle of the road system).
The P4P800-E Deluxe arrived today. That was about 3 days instead of 5-7. I was called last Tuesday on order confirmation. So, I doubt parts of the order were shipped before Wednesday. Parts won't be overdue unless they don't arrive by the weekend. I can't finish the project parts order till I scope out the case, power supply and mobo fit. I want to keep things as cool as possible and that calls for a big Zalman. There was no way I could get the measurements without doing it manually when I start the build. On this one I get to put things together and then wait on the cooler to arrive before I crank it up.
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27. February 2006 @ 15:24 |
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Triock is OC(ing) his 2.2GHz Manchester to 20% to 25% with one stick of PC2800 C3 RAM
You mean the 3700+ San Diego? Triock hit 2.6 Ghz according to him but with that core and the right memory he should hit at least 2.72-2.75 Ghz. Oddly enough the high band width memory is actually a little less than fast latency C2 memory.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145596
My memory was little bit of both and it was expensive PC 433 3500C2 LLPro, but the heatspreaders were too high and so I can't use it. I had to go back to my original Twinx2048 DDR400 3200 C2 for now.
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27. February 2006 @ 15:47 |
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Right on the core. I was thinking "write San Diego instead of Manchester" and ended up writing Manchester. The 3800+ is the Manchester. ;)
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As for Triock's system, I wonder how it would stand up to a few hours of Rebuilder at 2.7GHz. If it was jumpy, that would more than likely shut it down.
@Triock
One of the requests made for participation in this thread was that any claims for building and OC(ing) be documented with Sandra and CPUZ.
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27. February 2006 @ 16:01 |
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I wonder how it would stand up to a few hours of Rebuilder at 2.7GHz.
It wouldn't even get to the encode stage if it's jumpy doing nothing. I wonder if he dropped his HTT to 4X?
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I wonder if he dropped his HTT to 4X?
LOL Let's ask him.
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Did you drop your HTT to 4X?
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27. February 2006 @ 21:32 |
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Baltekmi,
I don't think you will be "Competing" for a while if you stay with Intel. It's going to take time for them to fill the gap between their strenghts and AMD's. You and I have gone about as far as money and our hardware can take us. I look at what I am competing against:
Mind you, these are all stock. They are in order: My CPU, P4E530/800/1MB 3.0 OC'd to 3.60, P4E540 3.2, P4E550 3.4, P4E570 3.8. Not bad company! My numbers have come down slightly as I have made changes in my bios. Sometimes you have to give up something to get something. Like 28 MHz I lost by dropping my base fsb to 240, which improved my memory performance, which improved the "Real World" performance.
If you are a "Gamer", all the mips and mflops in the world won't do you a damn bit of good if you can't play your games. Also. I am aware that if I took that stock 3.8 and dropped it in my puter with default settings that it would run rings around what I have now. It would also perform better than it did in the "Stock" machine. I accidently did just that when I took my CPU out of my Dell 3000 and dropped it in this Asus MB. In the benchmarks and the "Real World" all the numbers were higher "STOCK"!!! Not to Shabby for a $139 CPU!
As far as I am concerned Asus makes the best motherboards. For the past 20 years they seem to have seemed to have stayed on the "Cutting Edge" of PC Tecnology. Both for Intel and AMD chips. Thay have worked close with not only iNvidia but Via and ATi as well!. I feel very safe in going for a Dual-Core AMD. Intel's history tells us that everytime since the 486 floating Point Fiasco, they made major changes to beat back the competition, it was a disaster. It took years after the introduction of the P3 for them to develop the "Coppermine" chip. Then they went and did the same stupid thing again and came out with the P4. It wasn't as good as the P3 it replaced!! They started with the Willimet, went to the Northwood and finally wound up where you and I are now, the Prescott! Can you say "Hot"? Add to that, "What is AMD going to introduce about a month after Intel shows the world their' new stuff? Just some food for thought!
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Ok, I have read the threads. All saying AMD can do outstanding jobs at encoding. So am I to understand That the newer AMD chips can encode use the internet, listen to music and are best oc'd doing this?
also did anyone check out the new abit an8 n32x?
how would that stack up to the asus a8n sli deluxe or similar?
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A8N32 is a waste of time IMO, you need cards twice the power of the 7800GTX before that's going to become a problem. Before that occurs you'll want a DDR2 CPU & Mobo.
Intel seem to have a backwards-forwards technology oscillation. They brought us the original P3 such as my 450 (Mendocino was it?) then came out with the Coppermine, even badging it Cu on computers, I remember that, then saw sense and made a decent CPU with the Tualatin, up to about 1400. Then came the Willamette which was back a little bit, then back up to speed with the Northwood. Now we've gone back a stage again with the Prescott/Gallatin.
Has anybody seen what Yonah is like yet?
As previously discussed, for best performance, get an AMD and overclock it with some decent memory and a good Asus Mobo. Once you're in place with good memory, a good board, good cooling and a high overclock, you're up there, especially with a dual core.
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28. February 2006 @ 11:56 |
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Sammoris - What was with the personal attack just because I have two 7800gtx ?
I didnt insult you for having an AGP X800PRO that wouldn't come anywhere near close to my twin 7800gtx in performance. Try playing the game FEAR and watch your pixcel and frames lock-up...which by the way doesn't happen with two 7800GTX's.
Anyway I took some good advise from you, I have added a 2nd Dual Opteron 280 to my board, I am just waiting now for something to give it a bloody good test.
Benchmarks to follow very soon.................
Game test's will be run using the game FEAR.
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28. February 2006 @ 12:09 |
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It wasn't really meant to be a personal attack. I know damn well that an X800PRO won't stand a chance against your 7800s, but in pretty much every game except FEAR (hmmm, funny that, how about any other games) a twin SLi combo performs about 10% above the latest single card, on average, and below in a few games. You may have the ultimate performance (as in an extra 3 or 4 frames per second) in a few games, but IMO, losing 10 frames per second in some other gain counteracts it to the extent that I personally don't think it beneficial, especially when it's three times the cost of, say an X1900XT-X or a 256MB 7800GTX.
No one's gpt any right to give your system any stick mate, you've got pretty much the most powerful computer I've ever seen, but I can't help but wonder whether you would have been almost as well off with a single card, saving $1000. For people still in education (i.e. not employed) like me, you have to be reasonable about these things. $1000 is a lot of money to waste.
No offense meant at all, because it just isn't justifiable, but is the best of the best really the best?
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28. February 2006 @ 12:11 |
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I'd be happy to just see some Sisoft benchmarks for CPU and memory.
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Yeah. Out of interest, how can you have 16GB of RAM? Do you have 8 lots of 2GB sticks? I wouldn't have thought there were that many of those in my country! Surely not 16 one gig sticks?
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28. February 2006 @ 12:31 |
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? 128-bit dual channel (interleaved) memory bus
? Total eight DDR DIMM sockets (four per CPU)
? Supports up to 16GB of Registered DDR
? Supports ECC with CHIPKILL Technology
? Supports DDR 400 / 333 / 266 memory
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/productinfo.aspx?ProductID=11759
It is possible if you want to spend the money.
I too would love to see the Sandra on your setup thejazman... It should be absolutely awesome!
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28. February 2006 @ 12:38 |
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Best to one person is not the best to all.
12 months ago the best to me was a 2 x 3.6ghz Zeon running on a Supermicro motherboard. Now that has been surpassed by my new 2 x Dual Opteron 280 on A Tynan motherboard and in 12 months from now I will upgrade again to what ever happens to be the best (money no object) at the time.
As for the graphic cards, the two cards in this system will be replaced within about 6 months to whatever happens to be cutting edge at that time.
You may ask why I waste so much money on the latest products but it is for the same reason why most people buy new cars even thoe the old one is great the new one is just better, you know the performance is better even if you can't quite use it all yet and the new gadgets which to start with are a novelty become invaluable and you wonder how you ever managed with out it. It's the same with my pc I only realise just how good it really is when I go to work and use a p4 3.6 machine and notice the slow boot up, the time it takes to save and the general operating of the machine is so poor compared to my home pc.
So for me now the best is what I have but it wont stay that way for long.
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28. February 2006 @ 12:43 |
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4 x 2gb - It can only run a max of 8GB per CPU
Both CPU's have to have matching ram so if you have one CPU with 8gb of ram then you have to have 8gb for the other, total 16gb.
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Yea right!! brobear spending $680 on an Opteron 180 just to beat out my system. He could get the Opteron 175 for $504 but first someone would have to turn the "jaws of life" on him so that his buttocks can be spread far enough apart to allow someone to get at his wallet without losing an arm or a hand. LMAO
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