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spamual
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18. December 2008 @ 15:22 |
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guys boozers gay, hes already insecure about that, dont tease him more...... :D
yep i got the rhombus window installed, and the radiator cut out at the top, and the mobo cuts for the cables to be routed under the mobo (thats where they disapear to :D)
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harvrdguy
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18. December 2008 @ 16:12 |
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Well, I already knew that about boozer that's why I tried to be nice and say "special." Hahahaha.
Good job on that case - seriously there is something so clean about aluminum - I don't know what it is. I was noticing the screws also on the bottom holding the case together and remembering "no rivets." Very nice photos - excellent looking case without a doubt!
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18. December 2008 @ 22:36 |
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Little something I'm working on courtesy of Bit-Tech, the minimum requirement for a particular game at a particular resolution, basing 30fps minimum / 60fps average, depending on which figure is provided.
So far, 30" 2560x1600. (because it includes the least amount of data):
(I have marked some Crysis tests (20fps) as this is the card needed to obtain a minimum of 20fps, an acceptable level in the game, 30fps minimums still included separately)
Fallout 3: GTX260 or better, HD4870 1GB or better
Fallout 3, AA: GTX260 SLI or better, HD4870 1GB Crossfire or better
Far Cry 2: GTX260 SLI or better, HD4850 1GB Crossfire or better
Far Cry 2, AA: GTX260 SLI or better, HD4870 1GB Crossfire or better (GTX295 and HD4870X2 2x only)
Left 4 Dead: GTX260 SLI or better, HD4870 1GB Crossfire or better
Left 4 Dead, AA: GTX280 SLI or better, HD4870 1GB Crossfire or better
Call of Duty 4: 9800GTX or better, HD4830 or better
Call of Duty 4, AA: GTX260 216 core or better, HD4870 or better
GRiD: 8800GTX or better, HD4850 or better
GRiD, AA: GTX260 or better, HD4850 1GB or better (2x only for 512MB cards)
Devil May Cry 4: GTX260 SLI or better, HD4870 1GB or better
Devil May Cry 4, AA: GTX280 SLI or better, HD4830 Crossfire or better
Half Life 2 Ep2: 8800GTX or better, HD4850 or better
Half Life 2 Ep2, AA: 9800GTX+ or better, HD4850 or better (2x only for 9800GTX+, HD4850)
World in Conflict: GTX285 or better
World in Conflict, AA: GTX280 SLI or better
Crysis (DX10 High) (20fps): GTX280 SLI or better
Brothers in Arms Hells Highway: GTX260 or better, HD4850 1GB or better
24" Monitors:
Fallout 3: GTX260 or better, HD4870 or better
Fallout 3 AA: GTX280 or better, HD4870 1GB or better
Far Cry 2 DX10: GTX260 or better, HD4850 1GB or HD4870 or better
Far Cry 2 DX10 AA: GTX260 216 core or better, HD4870 1GB or better
Far Cry 2 DX9: GTX260 or better, HD4870 or better
Far Cry 2 DX9 AA: GTX280 or better, HD4870 1GB or better (2x only for current single cards)
Crysis DX10 VH (20fps): GTX260 SLI or better, HD4870 1GB Crossfire (not HD4870X2)
Crysis DX10 VH AA (20fps): GTX260 216 core SLI or better (2x only for anything other than GTX280 SLI)
Crysis DX10 Hi: GTX260 SLI or better
Crysis DX10 Hi AA: GTX260 216 core SLI or better
Crysis DX10 Hi (20fps): GTX280 or better, HD4850 Crossfire or better
Crysis DX10 Hi AA (20fps): GTX260 SLI or better, HD4850 Crossfire or better
Crysis DX9 Hi: GTX260 SLI or better
Crysis Dx9 Hi AA: GTX260 216 core SLI or better (2x only for anything other than GTX280 SLI)
Crysis DX9 Hi (20fps): GTX280 or better, HD4870 Crossfire or better
Crysis DX9 Hi AA (20fps): GTX280 or better, HD4870 1GB Crossfire or better (2x only for GTX280)
Call of Duty WAW: 8800 Ultra or better, HD4850 or better
Call of Duty WAW AA: GTX260 or better, HD4870 or better (2x only for any 4870 setup)
Call of Duty 4: 8800GS or better, HD4670 or better
Call of Duty 4 AA: 9800GTX+ or better, HD4830 or better
GRiD: 8800GS or better, HD4670 or better
GRiD AA: 8800GT or better, HD4830 or better
Half Life 2 Ep2: 8800GS or better, HD4670 or better
Half Life 2 Ep2 AA: 8800GT or better, HD4830 or better
Devil May Cry 4: GTX260 or better, HD4830 or better
Devil May Cry 4 AA: GTX280 or better, HD4850 or better
Left 4 Dead: 9800GTX+ or better, HD4830 or better
Left 4 Dead AA: GTX260 or better, HD4870 or better
Stalker Clear Sky: GTX280 SLI or better, HD4870 Crossfire or better
Brothers in Arms Hells Highway: 8800GT or better, HD4850 or better
20/22" monitors
Fallout 3: 9800GTX+ or above, HD4850 or above
Fallout 3 AA: GTX260 or above, HD4870 or above
Far Cry 2 DX10: GTX260 or above, HD4850 or above
Far Cry 2 DX10 AA: GTX260 or above, HD4850 1GB or above (1GB cards only, 2x only for HD4850 1GB and GTX260 192)
Far Cry 2 DX9: GTX260 or above, HD4870 or above
Far Cry 2 DX9 AA: GTX260 216 or above, HD4850 Crossfire or above (2 only for GT260 216)
Left 4 Dead: 8800GT or above, HD4830 or above
Left 4 Dead AA: 9800GT or above, HD4850 or above
Crysis DX10 VH: GTX295 or above
Crysis DX10 VH AA: GTX280 SLI or above
Crysis DX10 VH (20fps): GTX260 SLI or above, HD4870 1GB Crossfire or above
Crysis DX10 VH AA (20fps): GTX260 SLI or above
Crysis DX10 Hi: GTX260 SLI or above, HD4870 1GB Crossfire or above (not HD4870X2)
Crysis DX10 Hi AA: GTX260 SLI or above
Crysis DX10 Hi (20fps): GTX260 216 or above, HD4850 Crossfire or above
Crysis DX10 Hi AA (20fps): GTX280 or above, HD4870 Crossfire or above
Call of Duty WAW: 9800GTX+ or above, HD4850 or above
Call of Duty WAW AA: GTX260 or above, HD4850 1GB or above (inc 512MB HD4870) (2x only for HD4850 1GB)
Call of Duty 4: 8600GTS or above, HD3850 or above
Call of Duty 4 AA: 8800GS or above, HD4830 or above (2x only for 8800GS/9600GSO/9600GT)
GRiD: 8600GTS or above, HD3850 or above
GRiD AA: 9600GT or above, HD3850 or above
Half Life 2 Ep2: 8600GTS or above, HD3850 or above
Half Life 2 Ep2 AA: 8800GS or above, HD3870 or above (inc. HD4670)
Devil May Cry 4: 8800GTS G92 or above, HD4830 or above
Devil May Cry 4: GTX260 or above, HD4830 or above (2x only for HD4830)
Stalker Clear Sky: GTX260 216 SLI or above, HD4850 Crossfire or above
Brothers in Arms Hells Highway: 8800GTS 640MB or above, HD3870 or above
Thanks again to Bit-tech.net for the figures to work this all out :)
I hope to reference this in the future to recommend people graphics hardware with any particular game in mind.
Crysis rough Compatibility list:
Pre-X1000/7000 series, 7300, 7600, 7800, X1600, X1800, HD2600, HD3450, HD3650, HD4550, 8400GS, 8600GS, 8600GT, 9500GT: 800x600 Medium or less - upgrade
X1900, X1950, 7900, 7950, 8600GTS, HD2900GT, HD4650, HD3850: 1024x768 Medium
HD3870, HD2900XT, HD4670, 8800GS, 9600GT, 9600GSO: 1280x800 Medium
HD4830, 8800GT, 9800GT: 1280x1024 Medium/High
Comparative Performances
7600GT: 910.6
X1650XT: 1093.2
HD2600XT: 1114.9
8600GT: 1115.5
7900GS: 1234.2
8600GTS: 1458.0
X1950 Pro: 1547.9
X1950XT: 1784.4
7900GT: 2070.3
X1950XT-X: 2462.1
HD3850: 2469.0
8800GS: 2532.2
HD2900 Pro: 2567.5
8800GTS 320MB: 2631.1
HD3850 512MB: 2656.7
9600GT: 2757.8
8800GTS 640MB: 2945.6
HD4670: 2948.0
HD2900XT: 3089.6
HD3870: 3154.7
8800GT: 3246.8
8800GTS G92: 3615.6
8800GTX: 3849.7
9800GTX: 3905.5
8800GTS 320MB SLI: 3972.5
HD4830: 3999.1
9800GTX+: 4134.3
X1950XT-X CF: 4213.1
8800 Ultra: 4229.2
HD3870CF: 4395.0
HD3870X2: 4513.1
8800GT SLI: 4575.2
HD4850: 4658.0
8800GTS 640MB SLI: 4713.3
HD2900XT CF: 4864.2
GTX260: 5147.3
GTX260 216: 5457.3
9800GX2: 5730.1
8800GTX SLI: 5768.5
HD4870: 5893.4
9800GTX+ SLI: 6075.1
HD4870 1GB: 6169.6
GTX280: 6207.4
HD4850 CF: 7508.8
GTX260 SLI: 8433.6
HD4870X2: 8588.1
HD4870 1GB CF: 8804.7
GTX260+ SLI: 8941.5
GTX295: 9118.7
GTX280 SLI: 9776.2
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19. December 2008 @ 06:03 |
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Thanks for that Sam
I think it's bang on because, I play crysis at 1280x800 at medium and I have a 9600M GT which is actually weaker than the normal 9600 GT
(+[_]%) 1: 2.60 > 2.80 > 2.81 >3.03 > 1.50 > 3.52M33 > 3.52M33-4 > 3.90M33 > 3.90M33-3 > 4.01M33 > 4.01M33-2 > 5.00M33 > 5.00M33-3
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19. December 2008 @ 12:56 |
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Shaf I'm getting tired of you calling me gay. Seriously dude. When you get some girls then you can come call me gay. Till then, kindly, STFU.
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spamual
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19. December 2008 @ 13:08 |
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but im guarranted girls, as a pakistani, i have cousins ready :D
sam, wow thats bloody impressive, one must have been mighty bored :D
thats brilliant though, thanks for that
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19. December 2008 @ 14:18 |
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Chart updated.
The figures are arbitrary, but derive from the total fps gained in several tests of older game benchmarks.
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harvrdguy
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19. December 2008 @ 20:52 |
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Sam, amazing amount of hard work! Are you writing tech articles - I seem to recall you saying something else about that - maybe on the builder thread. You certainly are qualified! That whole amazing post gets copied and pasted into a special reference text file. Looks like my 4850 1 gig idea is good - some of those tough titles will run with two of those cards in cf, if I eventually expand out like that.
Boozer, shaff finally got to you with that gay bashing hahahaha. STFU - what does that mean exactly?? Hahahahaha. Where are YOUR cousins? Just kidding. So did you ever get the boat club going?? Shaffaaf is not content until he pisses everybody off from creaky and ddp and loco over to you and everybody in between LOL. I think the Buckingham Palace is going to his head - it's the aluminum inhalation - doesn't that cause Alzheimer's?? Hahahaha.
Originally posted by http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/guide/controversial-claims-risk-factors:
Aluminum
One of the most publicized and controversial theories concerns aluminum, which became a suspect in Alzheimer's disease when researchers found traces of this metal in the brains of patients with Alzheimer's disease. Many studies since then have either not been able to confirm this finding or have had questionable results.
Hmmmmmmm Shaff - are you there? Anybody home? Boozer brought some girls over. Why are you sitting there with glazed eyes staring at your fan controller? Hahahahahaha
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19. December 2008 @ 21:07 |
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My case is aluminium too, and I don't think I have alzheimer's yet... :P
Thanks for the appreciation Rich, it's all taken from Bit-tech's figures, but I'd love to set up a hardware review site. For a start, it would mean free stuff :)
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harvrdguy
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19. December 2008 @ 21:14 |
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Yeah, as if after that killer deal on the 4870x2 you need to get anything for free! .....
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19. December 2008 @ 21:37 |
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The Aluminium on both Shaff's and my case is brushed/coated, so the bare metal is never in contact with the skin unless you're working inside.
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harvrdguy
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19. December 2008 @ 22:51 |
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Sam, which aluminum case is that? I have the Lexa on my newegg wish list of all possible new build options, and it says "plastic and steel case." Are you referring to your server?
Well, the aluminum scare got me out of the habit of cooking meat on aluminum foil, but other than that I'm not too concerned. But maybe I should be more concerned, I certainly have my share of "dumb" moments... (... as all my cussing at myself in the first 4 hours of getting up to speed on COD4 mp each week proves! LOL)
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19. December 2008 @ 22:53 |
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The plastic is only the front, the rest is aluminium.
The Blacklie, my server case, is steel.
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20. December 2008 @ 13:10 |
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right, maxed out GTA IV, benchamrk, but couldnt get above 47 on the draw distance, i apparently maxed out the RAM... LOL
but i got 43 FPS!!!!!
im happy about that. though in game, its dropped to 20 once :(
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20. December 2008 @ 13:12 |
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The benchmark is nowhere near as demanding as the real game, that should give you an idea of just how badly coded the game is. Maxing the textures even at your res uses about 1.4GB of video RAM, and since no GPU currently has that, it's for 'future video cards only'. To the game's credit, the 256MB console cards use 10% quality settings and minimum textures.
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20. December 2008 @ 13:33 |
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:(
29FPS with CF disabled.
with CF disabled the CPU usage is 48%, where as with CF enabled its 66%.
3.91GHz on my Q9550, and 66% usage. 2.6GHz Penryn C2Q.
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20. December 2008 @ 14:34 |
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2.6Ghz? The Q9550 is 2.83 stock... :S
Also, Penryn is a very broad term, it specifically refers to a Laptop Dual core processor, but non-specifically refers to the 45nm architecture. I think I'll stick to calling them Yorkfields.
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harvrdguy
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20. December 2008 @ 14:48 |
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Sam, by the way, I'm going over your performance chart again. The Hells Highway, the bottom line on each set of resolutions, just arrived in the mail from my ebay purchase.
My monitor, at 19" 1440x900, equivalent to 1280x1024, is below the 20-22" monitors (I guess at 1680x1050) that you reference.
So my question is, for Hells Highway you say HD3870 or above for the 22" monitors. My card, the 3850, of course is weaker than that, but I'm only pushing 75% as many pixels (so from that standpoint my 512mb gfx memory ought to be equivalent to the 640mb on the 8800 you mention.) Would you suggest I try to install the game next week, and see what happens, or save myself some frustration and hold off until the upgrade?
(I notice that on the relative performance, you rank the 3850 512mb at about 84% of the performance of the 3870 - of course I don't know how agp factors in, not to mention P4 hahaha)
Rich
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20. December 2008 @ 14:57 |
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The HD3850 will probably be fine, as 1680x1050 is 36% more pixels than 1440x900 and the HD3850, at least in 256MB PCIe form is only 28% slower. However, pixel count does not always match up to performance. In many cases, as long as you don't use AA (which would cripple a 256MB HD3850, is yours the 256 or the 512?) you don't gain much extra performance from reducing the pixel count, and vice versa. However, this chart only considers the graphics cards. I would expect your P4 to be a major cause of performance problems in the game.
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20. December 2008 @ 15:41 |
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i meant a 2.6 yorkfeild should be the minimum needed :)
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harvrdguy
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20. December 2008 @ 17:11 |
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Mine is the 512mb 3850. Yes, undoubtedly I will be P4 cpu bottlenecked - I could have guessed as much from COD4 - running 95% cpu usage and 50% gfx usage when it runs halfway smooth.
Well, I might try it a bit. I almost hate to "ruin" the game, similar to how I feel about crysis and FC2, when with some patience I could max it out and glory in the graphics, which PC Gamer raved about. I'll probably have to run it at the special setting they support called: "center of the earth ultra-low-everything for retarded systems" LOL.
No offense meant for "special" people, boozer.
hahahahah - Rich
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20. December 2008 @ 17:45 |
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It can play decently on Core 2 Duos. My dual core machine runs it pretty well with all settings at about 30% with high texture and render quality at 1680 res.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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20. December 2008 @ 17:55 |
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Originally posted by spamual:
right, maxed out GTA IV, benchamrk, but couldnt get above 47 on the draw distance, i apparently maxed out the RAM... LOL
but i got 43 FPS!!!!!
im happy about that. though in game, its dropped to 20 once :(
Thats still really good for GTA IV 
I wish I got 43 lol
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20. December 2008 @ 18:13 |
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So did I, and I get 51 in the benchmark, in the game it dips below 25 a fair bit.
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harvrdguy
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20. December 2008 @ 19:37 |
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Estuansis, you're just tryin to rub it in - wasn't it you who said "2005 technology, and now it's 2008 - well almost 2009." That hurt bro! Hahahahaha.
(Sam says I have to go quad - no core 2 duo - if I want any chance at GTA4.)
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