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18. February 2011 @ 20:39 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Why do you need AMD certification? All Intel-compatible memory works with AMDs, just not the other way round!



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19. February 2011 @ 00:55 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Nice post sam :p LOL!

Seriously though russ, my Ripjaws ram isn't amd certified, at least it wasn't at the time, and I didn't hesitate to buy it. Runs quite nicely indeed.



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There has to be some reason that there aren't any AMD motherboards on the compatibility list! Here's just one example of many!

http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=243

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19. February 2011 @ 07:25 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Because they don't need to test them. The reason compatibility is an issue at all is a question of voltage. AMD boards can take DDR3 at up to its full voltage of 1.8V. LGA1156 CPUs can only take DDR3 up to 1.65V. LGA1155 can only take DDR3 up to 1.5V.



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Nonono Russ specifically meaning CAS 9 RAM. The CAS 7 stuff is way more expensive. Was personally looking around for RAM for AM3 and noticed that the 1600MHz CAS9 RipJaws were only a few bucks more than the 1333MHz ones. Higher speed at the same latency, is a no brainer in my book.



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19. February 2011 @ 18:05 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
As. I see omegaman7 has the F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM G.Skill. I wonder what his opinion would be on issue sense he has AM3 MB between 1333 and 1600 sticks.If your doin alittle gaming among other things. I would prefer 1600mhz cas 7 over any 1333mhz sticks when you got alittle Oc going on plus they give alittle more head room...and for $10 more you can't lose
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231303



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There's nothing there in Cas 7 that's not designed for Sandy bridge. They also don't list any AMD motherboards on the approved list for the 1600 Cas 7, only cas 9. Everything listed is for Intel!
As many have already said, if you use this RAM on an AMD system, you will need to set the timings manually and set voltage adjustments to run smooth. I believe you would be happier with 1600mhz starting out with a AM3 board instead of 1333mhz believe me. I started out with 1333mhz and wished. I brought 1600mhz instead when. I saw other peoples results...But it's your choice Russ

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19. February 2011 @ 20:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I really don't know that much about Ram(my subconscious does). I just went for the best Price/value I could find. I imagine the CPU notices the difference in quicker Ram speeds, but Myself? Not really. When you're talking a few dollars difference between SLower and quicker Ram, It's a simple decision to make. Definitely go with the quicker Ram, provided compatibility is there ;) I did have to set my timings manually, to get it where I'm at now.

Damn, at that price it's tempting to double my Ram :S If I do that though, the chances of being able to afford the 1090t plummets... We'll see :)



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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Nonono Russ specifically meaning CAS 9 RAM. The CAS 7 stuff is way more expensive. Was personally looking around for RAM for AM3 and noticed that the 1600MHz CAS9 RipJaws were only a few bucks more than the 1333MHz ones. Higher speed at the same latency, is a no brainer in my book.
Estuansis,

Am I missing something here? You said they are Cas9 1600MHz. The Cas7 1333MHz memory I want and posted is $54 for 2x2GB. I wouldn't buy Cas9 1333MHz memory!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231276

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Originally posted by N_3_Days:
As. I see omegaman7 has the F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM G.Skill. I wonder what his opinion would be on issue sense he has AM3 MB between 1333 and 1600 sticks.If your doin alittle gaming among other things. I would prefer 1600mhz cas 7 over any 1333mhz sticks when you got alittle Oc going on plus they give alittle more head room...and for $10 more you can't lose
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231303



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There's nothing there in Cas 7 that's not designed for Sandy bridge. They also don't list any AMD motherboards on the approved list for the 1600 Cas 7, only cas 9. Everything listed is for Intel!
As many have already said, if you use this RAM on an AMD system, you will need to set the timings manually and set voltage adjustments to run smooth. I believe you would be happier with 1600mhz starting out with a AM3 board instead of 1333mhz believe me. I started out with 1333mhz and wished. I brought 1600mhz instead when. I saw other peoples results...But it's your choice Russ
N_2_Days,

Now that I understand why there are no AMD motherboards on the compatibility, the extra $10 will be fine for the Cas7 1600MHz memory. I just didn't want the Cas9 1600MHz that Estuansis suggested over the cas7 1333! You have to remember that DDR3 is completely new to me!

Russ

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19. February 2011 @ 22:22 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Russ. I think he's saying that case 7 , 1600mhz would be a better route to go for a few dollars more

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Is there actual proof AMDs run badly on CAS9 memory? This is the first I've heard of this.



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Originally posted by N_3_Days:
Russ. I think he's saying that case 7 , 1600mhz would be a better route to go for a few dollars more
N_3_Days,

Here is what he said! He was talking about Cas9 all the way, saying that the Cas7 was way more expensive, which it isn't!

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Originally posted by Estuansis: Nonono Russ specifically meaning CAS 9 RAM. The CAS 7 stuff is way more expensive. Was personally looking around for RAM for AM3 and noticed that the 1600MHz CAS9 RipJaws were only a few bucks more than the 1333MHz ones. Higher speed at the same latency, is a no brainer in my book.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Is there actual proof AMDs run badly on CAS9 memory? This is the first I've heard of this.
Sam,

I didn't say that Cas9 was bad! It's just not as fast in execution as Cas7. That's why I would spend the extra $10 for Cas7 1600, now that you've explained why no AMD motherboards are on the compatibility list!

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Originally posted by sammorris:
Is there actual proof AMDs run badly on CAS9 memory? This is the first I've heard of this.
Sam,

I never said the Cas9 memory runs bad, but at the same speed, and for only a couple of dollars more Cas7 beats the hell out of Cas9. I don't know a single person that was really happy with Cas9, that wouldn't be a lot happier with Cas7, all things being equal speed and timings wise.

BTW! After discussing the voltage limits for the CPU with some friends of mine, I've upped my 1098T to 4.0GHz, ran Prime95, 100% all 6 cores for several hours, only to have it BSOD on me Encoding. I set the CPU voltage to 1.424v, and it's now solid as a rock. I suspect to run at 4.1GHz all the time I would have to raise the voltage to 1.448v, because of the same problem. 4.0GHz is fine for me! That's a useful 29% gain for a CPU that starts out at 3.2GHz! Still runs smooth, sweet and fast!

Best Regards,
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22. February 2011 @ 19:05 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Everything I've read in the past suggested memory latency only really matters for AMDs. I'm fine with CAS9, as there's nothing I do where I'd benefit from more memory response.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Everything I've read in the past suggested memory latency only really matters for AMDs. I'm fine with CAS9, as there's nothing I do where I'd benefit from more memory response.
Sam,

It should, because it increases thruput!

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22. February 2011 @ 19:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Yes but the increased throughput doesn't make a difference to the applications I use. I primarily know this because I'm never waiting on the CPU to finish a job. Either its hard disk activity, there is no wait time, or it's a game where the frame rate is graphics-derived.



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since ddr2 ram really hasn't been a bottle neck in any system. No matter the speed, really.



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22. February 2011 @ 19:44 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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Here is what he said! He was talking about Cas9 all the way, saying that the Cas7 was way more expensive, which it isn't!
There really is no reason not to jump up to higher speed RAM anyway, if they're all in the same general ballpark and you can benefit from it.



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Originally posted by Estuansis:
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Here is what he said! He was talking about Cas9 all the way, saying that the Cas7 was way more expensive, which it isn't!
There really is no reason not to jump up to higher speed RAM anyway, if they're all in the same general ballpark and you can benefit from it.
Estuansis,

Thanks! I didn't realize that the difference in price was so small. When I'm ready, I'll go with the Cas7 1600!

Thanks again,
Russ

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23. February 2011 @ 01:07 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I remember when I went from cas 3 to cas 2 in my older Pavilion in 2004. I thought it was a noticeable difference. But who knows. Perhaps the memory I replaced had errors :S



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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I remember when I went from cas 3 to cas 2 in my older Pavilion in 2004. I thought it was a noticeable difference. But who knows. Perhaps the memory I replaced had errors :S
Oman7,

Who knows! I can see the difference between 800 and 1066MHz memory, when most people say you can't. Maybe I was just visiting "Alice", getting two parts of "Wishful Thinking!" :)

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Well it looks like Bobcat is officially out. If I was building today, this would be my choice! check it out.

AMD bobcat

Motherboard $129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128515

APU A8-3850 2.9GHz Quad Core $139.99 HD 6550D Graphics
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103942

Total $269.98

You could also do a budget build using the A6-3650 2.6GHz Quad core for $119.99 HD 6530D Graphics
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103943

Motherboard $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128511

Total $219.98

Sounds interesting, and inexpensive! You certainly can't make the pipelines any shorter than this, so the graphics should be pretty fast!

Russ

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Is it just me, or are the benchmarks for these CPUs really terrible? It's been pitted against a dual core Core i3 2100, and a lot of the time it loses, when it wins it's only 10-20% faster at best. Given the 100W TDP, and the fact that the i3 2100 is $15 cheaper, and is only a dual core, something seems a bit wrong here...



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Is it just me, or are the benchmarks for these CPUs really terrible? It's been pitted against a dual core Core i3 2100, and a lot of the time it loses, when it wins it's only 10-20% faster at best. Given the 100W TDP, and the fact that the i3 2100 is $15 cheaper, and is only a dual core, something seems a bit wrong here...
Sam,
I can't answer that because I've yet to see any benchmarks. Got any links?

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