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14. September 2011 @ 01:43 |
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Not bad russ. I am however disappointed. When I saw that a new post was made to the AMD thread, I got my hopes up. For some reason, I thought somebody was announcing Bulldozer :( LOL! I'm really getting impatient on this one!
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14. September 2011 @ 23:47 |
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14. September 2011 @ 23:48 |
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EDIT---stupid double post
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15. September 2011 @ 00:43 |
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Thanks deadrum!
The company also pointed out that implementing more modest and realistic cooling methods like fans and inexpensive water systems would still enable the Bulldozer chip to reach clock frequencies ?well above? 5 GHz
Oh man... I can't friggin wait!
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15. September 2011 @ 02:56 |
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15. September 2011 @ 13:30 |
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Is this for real?
Originally posted by turnedon.com:
The wait for the highly anticipated AMD FX series is almost over! The flagship model, the FX-8150P will be available from the 19th of September (which is not even a month away now!!)
Read more: http://www.turnedon.com.au/articles/new...6#ixzz1Y2kVYzIG
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16. September 2011 @ 07:21 |
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No, IIRC recently (<1 week, that article is 3 weeks old) the launch date was pushed back to October-December.
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16. September 2011 @ 10:19 |
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Bastards! They need to stop doing that. They're driving me crazy ;)
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13. October 2011 @ 09:33 |
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13. October 2011 @ 10:00 |
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This doesn't sound very promising for Bulldozer. Hope the 2nd revision has more promise.
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13. October 2011 @ 11:08 |
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Indeed, Bulldozer has been a complete failure. With AMD themselves having stated they're only after a 10% performance increase with the new version of it next year, I can't see AMD competing very well with Intel for years to come, other than selling dirt cheap CPUs (which Bulldozers are not, by the way)
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13. October 2011 @ 23:36 |
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14. October 2011 @ 00:24 |
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Thanks Griff88, Interesting results. I read about windows 8 supporting Bulldozer even further earlier. I'm curious just how much a performance gain we're talking. I imagine we'll see a review/benchmark in the near future ;)
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14. October 2011 @ 00:58 |
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why build a CPU on promise? Especially one coming a year later?
also as for the gaming, they should have used a better gpu, clearly they are gpu limited.
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14. October 2011 @ 01:16 |
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Perhaps there will be Windows 7 updates addressing the Bulldozer CPU. Service pack 2 :S
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14. October 2011 @ 01:24 |
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hope so. Was really looking forward to nd, really disappointed
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14. October 2011 @ 08:34 |
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Originally posted by Griff88:
An interesting review that gives Bulldozer high marks.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1...troduction.html
Not really high marks - the FX-8150 loses to the i7 2600K in every single test. With the i7 2700K coming next week at the same MSRP as the 2600K, the 2600K is likely to drop in price. Right now the 2600K and FX-8150 are already very similarly priced, at $310 vs. $280.
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14. October 2011 @ 08:38 |
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Or you can get the even cheaper 2500k which is the same CPU with a few less features and all the same performance and OCing. Think it was $219 when I last checked. Unless you have specific need of Hyper Threading the 2500k is the exact same product as the 2600k and 2700k with 2MB less cache. Correct me if I'm wrong here Sam but with OCing there is no difference except price. Any self-respecting gamer or power user who doesn't encode would be a fool to buy the i7s when you can have everything for $100 less. Possibly even less than that considering the impending price drops.
I mean, I understand this is an AMD centric thread. But being a long long time AMD user and being mostly disappointed towards Bulldozer has made me look for AMD's own special kind of value in other products. I happen to have found the price/performance sweet spot in the 2500k.
If you look at benchmarks, the 2500k is ALWAYS tailing the 2600k by a few points. So $100 difference for maybe 1-5% performance? I know what I'm buying. Also consider the 2500k is usually a faster CPU than Bulldozer at stock speeds, then throw OCing into the equation where both the 2500k and 2600k come out roughly equal. The performance gap is nil. When choosing between Bulldozer and the 2500k, the cheaper prices, better tech, better OCing, and higher performance were the clincher for me. I'd love to go Bulldozer seeing it still has merits in a lot of areas. But as it stands I can get a MUCH faster CPU for almost $100 cheaper. I'd like to see what they do in the next few weeks/months.
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14. October 2011 @ 15:09 |
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Newegg is already sold out of 8150. Guess they didn't buy enough. Guess they didn't anticipate the demand :p Now I eagerly await piledriver.
LOL!!! They're out of 8120's as well.
What's funny is, people see new technology, and automatically think it's the latest best thing. 8 Cores... it must be great! Little do they know ;)
But who knows. A lot of people are talking about the architecture, and software not catering to it's needs. I firmly believe it Amd needs to work with Microsoft and other big name software companies. E.g. adobe, EA games, etc.
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14. October 2011 @ 17:09 |
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I don't think I'm going intel just yet. Amd must have something up their sleeves. They have 4 months to show me LOL!
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14. October 2011 @ 22:07 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
why build a CPU on promise? Especially one coming a year later?
also as for the gaming, they should have used a better gpu, clearly they are gpu limited.
Shaff,
All CPUs are built on promise. It's time for the software manufacturers to step up and make better use use of the hardware technologies available today. They've been dragging their feet for years, while raking in huge profits for those same years. Sam calls the Bulldozer a total failure, but I don't think he's quite right, because their concept does work. Bulldozer also has a more effective Turbo than the Sandy Bridge. Bulldozer is sort the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde of CPUs. Isn't it about time the software people got their act together and start taking advantage of current technologies, rather than the customer's wallets?
Oh, Tom's hardware review of Bulldozer.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-...990fx,3043.html
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14. October 2011 @ 22:25 |
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while I agree, software needs to catch up and become more multi threaded, yet it isnt. But why make a CPU not in mind for both multi threaded apps and single threaded perfomance? They should have targeted both, nit 30% of apps
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15. October 2011 @ 00:43 |
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Well... we live in a world where quantity seems to come before quality! Somebody high up in the ranks probably wanted progress. They can only wait so long before they need to see some return. In my opinion, they should have waited a little longer, boosting the single thread potential. But I do see the benefits of Bulldozer. However, it seems too soon for the tech :S Basically, I see a processor ahead of its time. But I guess we'll see just how much potential is being wasted soon enough. There has to be a reason they're charging what they are. Just because it's new, and they can take advantage, does not explain it away. I don't buy that. If it were THAT bad, they wouldn't have released it at all. I think I may just buy the damn thing anyway. I may just have to see this for myself.
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15. October 2011 @ 00:44 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
while I agree, software needs to catch up and become more multi threaded, yet it isnt. But why make a CPU not in mind for both multi threaded apps and single threaded perfomance? They should have targeted both, nit 30% of apps
Shaff,
The main reason is that you have to compromise one or the other, as you can't have it both ways. In the long run, the way that Bulldozer does things is going to have overall better efficiency, even down to the actual wattage used. I'll wait and ride out the storm for the moment. I'm probably in the best position with a fast 6 core, if I just stay where I am until all the kinks get worked out.
3DMark11 1.0.2 was a real eye opener. In the Professional Suite Score, Bulldozer was right with the i5-2500K
In the graphics score Bulldozer beat everything except the i7-920
In the Physics Score beat the i5-2500K, but was beaten by the i7-2600K
In combined score, Bulldozer finished behind both the 2500K and the 2600K, but ahead of the i7-920
In Physics FPS Bulldozer finished tied for 2nd with the 2500K with the 2600K taking the win
Sandra 2011 was another surprise as well. Bulldozer did very well, including an outstanding Memory Bandwidth. By the narrowest possible margin bulldozer bested all of the Intels. Realistically it was tied with the i7-920 for first. LOL!! I'm guessing that there will probably be a bunch of bioses offered for a while that may take care of some problems, so we'll have to wait and see.
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15. October 2011 @ 04:06 |
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Well I've often voiced my pro-Intel thinkings in light of Bulldozer's release, but I am very interested to see what kind of performance they can squeeze out of it in the next few months. MFGs will get their boards sorted out, and new revisions are in the works.
I am aware of the victories Bulldozer has won, even in the face of stiff competition. In fact, it compares quite favorably with older i5s/i7s, but price and power consumption alone mean Sandy Bridge is a much better deal.
Even if it were a better chip than Sandy Bridge, the power consumption is still off-putting. If it were a little higher, that'd be one thing. But I'm seeing differences in the hundreds of watts. Now people say "It's not so bad if you don't OC." Well idiots, if you don't OC it, it's not competitive because the Intel can OC WITHOUT the huge power increase.
So either fix the power consumption, or I NEED to look elsewhere for my CPU.
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