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Toshibas are pretty consistently decent quality. For that kind of deal I would seriously consider the purchase.



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I've got a Toshiba Sat. It's dependable. Flash content (E.g. facebook gaming) is a bit hit miss, but it'll play blu-ray (hardware acceleration only), it browses the web smoothly. I believe an SSD would help it greatly. Best part is I only spent $100 on it :p A client asked me to replace the LCD screen. I did it for $100, and he said he couldn't afford that, so he let me keep it :D It's a dual core, and generally runs pretty smooth. I've been meaning to install linux for the longest time. Just haven't gotten around to it :S

I would definitely get another Toshiba Sat :) The software is a bit overkill though. As is usually the case(Bloatware).



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Been borrowing a friend's Samsung Series 3 for a while. 1.9GHz Quad Core AMD Trinity with 8GB of RAM and the built-in 7640G graphics. Really fast and smooth for daily computing. Breezes through HD content and the like. Also handles the wide majority of games at decent settings.

I think he only paid some $500 for it 6 months ago. Really nice and solidly built. He carries it everywhere with him and not a hint of poor build quality.



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Originally posted by FredBun:
Originally posted by sammorris:
Well, I don't have a singular answer, otherwise I would gladly have given it to you. I have used a fair few laptops belonging to clients, friends etc. but never actually owned one for personal use, so as far as 'what it's like to live with' I'm not too qualified to say. As I say, I'd avoid the obvious cheap nasties like Acer, Asus should go without saying by now, and in all honesty I'm not too wowed by the quality of Vaio laptops either. I know people that have had good experience with Toshiba Satellite laptops - we've had a Dell Vostro in the family and it really isn't that well made. It all works after 5 years, but if it weren't for how slow it was out of the box I'd assume it faulty for how slow it is now :P It was very cheap though, and it was given Vista :/

Best laptop we've had is a Compaq nx6110 which is almost 8 years old, has lived in a workshop environment caked in filth for 5 of those years, and apart from having memory added to it to improve performance, hasn't had anything done to it at all. Seriously solid equipment those were, but unfortunately I think the days of HP producing stuff like that are over.
OK Finally, it was like pulling teeth there for a while getting your answer LOL, don't take it to heart I'm pulling your leg, ok now I have something to go by, I was not exaggerating when I said many people ask me about this, I'm not an expert like most of you but most people that ask me know nothing about computers I always try to answer the best I can and most of my knowledge came from here.

It's funny you mentioned Toshiba, Boris has a nice looking 17incher for sale, has almost everything except no hdmi inputs, it's about a year and a half old I don't remember the model number but it looked good and ran good, he want's 200 bucks, I'm gonna take another look at it when I do I'll post more info. Thanks sammy.

Toshiba is good so if it is not too old it would probably be a good buy.
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This is the one guys, I played with it some more today, it won't break any records but ran clean and smooth, 200 bucks what do you guys think?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114941
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Smokes my laptop :p I'd say it's worth it!



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Looks OK Fred.
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Thanks guys, think I'm gonna snatch it up.
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Looks good to me.
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Just an interesting turn of events. I've been sent an XFX 6970 Black Edition by a friend for temporary usage until I get the second 6850 sold. I will be doing some testing to see what I can get out of it. I have a sneaking hunch that a lot of my performance issues aren't due to the relative processing power of my video cards, but due to simply not enough memory. Am very interested to see how my performance changes from title to title. A LOT of games will lose performance, but a great many stand to gain quite a lot. Skyrim will be my first testing subject ;)



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So I am absolutely awestruck. Apparently my video memory was a much larger bottleneck than I ever thought possible. Double, triple, and quadruple framerates in every game I had a problem with. The 6850s are officially replaced.

Skyrim is absolutely TRANSFORMED. FPS is locked at 60 most of the time with slight dips versus previously hovering between 50-60 with lots of dips and horrible, game-breaking stuttering in towns. Absolutely maxed with 4xAA, which would flog the 6850s into single digits. I previously had to use a mix of High/Ultra with no AA.

Undeniable performance advantage here. Skyrim just went from a major thorn in my side to silky smooth as high as the settings go. Super impressed with the performance here. I had no clue Gamebryo could run so smoothly! The previous issue of massive, unplayable stutter in dense or wide-open areas has completely disappeared. Video memory maybe the single most important component in running Skyrim. I am not kidding, I have never seen a game so transformed by simple video memory. None of the others are affected in quite the same way as this.

Skyrim is a supreme example to me that numbers do not tell all about performance. In benchmarking, my 6850s seemed to do quite well, but in practice, the video memory limit was destroying fluidity while still maintaining a "playable" average framerate.

The only relatively modern game that hasn't changed much is Far Cry 3. I would imagine that's simply a case of pure hardware performance. My 6850s are theoretically a bit faster than a single 6970, and Far Cry 3 shows that perfectly. It has good scaling so that makes a lot of sense. Some ~10% slower than the Crossfire cards.

So yeah. I should have upgraded a LONG time ago. Simply having a 2GB 6850 would have transformed everything.

I have one issue with the 6970. Its fan profile does not kick in automatically. The card was RMA'd with this problem previously, and sent back with the same issue. Not a major issue as simply loading up Trixx with the card's default profiles makes it kick in. Otherwise it idles at about 25% speed and loads at 35% speed while hitting 100*C at times. Went from nearly 100*C in any game to the low 80s. A small speedbump for someone who has a clue, but the average Joe would have had a dead card by now.

I will mention that this card is LOUD! The 6850s both at 100% pale in comparison. It may be due to it having a blower vs the HD6850s which had fans. Sam, how the hell do you stand two of them? They're insanely loud. The only thing that even comes close is the dust buster blower on my old X850XT. I have had to make some adjustments to the fan profile to control the noise.

This is certainly not going to be my decided upgrade, but it serves as a relief from my memory limit, and a major performance boost in many games. A few games do run worse, which bothers me. The GTX760 is definitely in the works, probably going to be a 4GB model.



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Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388

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In spite of the little writing on top of the page I've been advised to ask for help here, so, hoping I might figure out what would fit my situation, I'll copy-paste the thing here:
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Well, hello there.
An internet friend recommended me to ask around on forums for help with building my new PC, he mentioned this place, so here I am.

I have a budget of around 450? (which if I'm lucky will rise to 500-550 max) which I'd like to use to buy myself a new desktop.
I need to buy pretty much all the peripherals new since I don't have them :/
So, I'd be using it mostly for internet surfing, videos and some light gaming, games like Portal 2 and Fallout New Vegas, and maybe later on Skyrim, too.
Unfortunately, as the title says :P, I'm not too up to date with what the current CPUs and graphic cards are (I believe we are at the 6xx series for geforce). I know what part does what etc, but I have never build a PC for myself yet and I need help.
I have a vague picture in my mind that would tell me that for my money I might be able to get an i3 and a geforce 640 or the ati equivalent, but if this is completely wrong correct me.
Then there's the entire rest of the hardware where, unfortunately, I have no clue, sorry.
I'd like my monitor to be at least 1360x768, have at least 500GB HDD and 4GB of RAM.
About the OS, since I'll want to play a little bit of games on it I'd like to have windows 7, I guess I can just copy the whole partition of the family desktop over?

Last thing is that I just moved to Norway and I'm not sure which sites deliver here and which not, would you happen to know any good sites for here? (By the way I don't speak norwegian yet, so I won't be able to read norwegian-only websites)

Thank you in advance for your help!
Or not help :P
From what I've seen we are no longer at the 6xx series but 7xx right now for the geforce cards.
But the budget-friendly ones haven't come out yet, do you think it would be worth waiting or would it be just as good to pick the current ones, or the ATI equivalents?

Thanks!
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I like my HD6970s - still not planning to upgrade at the moment :)

A couple of points:

1GB video memory stopped being effective at 1080p+ roughly a year ago - games are now finally starting to use video memory properly, which means 1GB doesn't really cut the mustard :)

My cards are not insanely loud, far from it. Yes, at 100% they're deafening, but fortunately the auto fan speed works fairly well on my cards - they get warmer than perhaps is ideal, but not dangerously so, and only in games that max out the GPU usage due to there not being a CPU limit (e.g. Source engine with VSync off) do they ever reach around the 45% fan speed mark, and even then it's only for short bursts, they're normally below 40% and run fine like this.



skydreamer: 550 euros is doable, 450 and I'd avoid going for a gaming PC, building one with a monitor included won't leave enough to buy any respectable gaming-oriented components.



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29. August 2013 @ 16:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Why not purchase a desktop already put together, and save the grieve. Here's an I5 for $549.99 US, http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications...0603&CatId=4925

You would need to add a Blu-Ray writer, and a better graphics card, but it is ready to go. It even comes with Win7 and Win8, but I would go with Win 7, personally.

If you shop around you could probably find a better deal.

Best of luck.
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Quite satisfied with the performance Sam. I've never had an upgrade provide so many performance benefits since I went from the 8800GTS to 2 4870s :)

As a bonus, my performance woes in Crysis 2 have cleared up considerably. I still have to limit tessellation, but that's a given on my HD6 card.

I will mention the heat issue was manifesting itself with artifacting and screen corruption. I know the cards are able to run hot but routinely passing 100 degrees is not right.



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sytyguy I decided to opt for building the PC myself because I've been told it's cheaper and, from what I've seen in electronics stores, pre-build computers usually lay very little value on graphic-cards.
Often in a store you can't even find the information on what card it is, just a sticker with AMD or nvidia on it, and even the top-range PCs (1000?+) have cards like the GT640...
Dunno, maybe it's just an Italy thing and here in Norway and on the internet it's different.

About the link you posted, it's barely inside my budget but would still need a graphic update, though I could live with that, and a monitor, which, unless I can find one for 1$, I would not be able to afford. :/
Thanks anyway, I'll look around and see if I can find something.

EDIT: I always forget something haha.
Sammoris I feared that. I'll have to see if I'll be able to get to that number. I've looked a bit around and it seems that 550? really is the minimum for something decent...

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Ok, let's assume I'd be able to miraculously stretch the budget to 550?, do you think I'd be able to fit in a 7750? I found it for 100-110 on amazon, and it would have more than enough performance to make me happy.
Which means I'd still have around 440? to spend on everything else.
Count in the monitor and that's 340?.
You think I could fit in a motherboard, a case, some ram, an HDD, mouse & keyboard, and a CPU that won't bottleneck too much in that 340?
I'm willing to give up on DVD drive and speakers, I have an external one and some headphones.
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Which country are you buying from? I'll see what deals I can find.



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Norway, just moved here!
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Forgive my ignorance, doesn't Norway still use the Krone, in which case we're looking at about 4500NOK?

This lot below comes to about 5000NOK, so it's a bit above your 550EUR, but that's as cheap as it gets without making some serious sacrifices. I already think the monitor choice is a bit on the low-end side.

HD7770: https://www.amentio.no/amentio/default....D=GV-R777OC-1GD
i3 2120: https://www.amentio.no/amentio/default....D=BX80623I32120
8GB XMS 1.5V: https://www.amentio.no/amentio/default....MX8GX3M2B1600C9
Z68A-D3H-B3: https://www.amentio.no/amentio/default....=GA-Z68A-D3H-B3
CX430W V2: https://www.amentio.no/amentio/default....%2D9020058%2DEU
CM Elite 310 Case: https://www.amentio.no/amentio/default....=RC-310-SKN1-GP
Seagate 1TB: https://www.amentio.no/amentio/default....tID=ST1000DM003
LG GH24NS: https://www.amentio.no/amentio/default....D=GH24NS%2EAUAR
AOC 18.5": https://www.amentio.no/amentio/default....entID=E950SWDAK



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It does indeed use krones, but my money is currently in Euro, and my brain is still wired to that.
Also it's more like 4400kr :/ Assuming I get my parents to give me an exchange rate of 8 and not 7.5, which is the actual one. (yeah I'm 16)
But seriously thank you for your help, I'll look into that right away!

EDIT: Ok, I'll have to cut out a few parts a bit, since else it won't fit.
I have decided to ignore the DVD Drive since I a) have an external one and b) my games are currently on steam and I don't use the DVD drive for much else anyway.
Then I decided to cut the RAM down to 4GB, opting for https://www.amentio.no/amentio/default....MZ4GX3M1A1600C9 instead.
It won't be amazing, but I can still play games with it, right? Also please tell me if there's something wrong with the ones I choose.

Then maybe I should trim the 1TB to 500GB, since I'll also have to still get a mouse and keyboard.
I could also wait a while, but with only 5? (40kr) pocket money a week it will take longer than I'd like to, although in 3 months I could afford it.

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Nothing wrong with those coices. But I think better to wait and get the good stuff. You only do the major purchase once, do it right. I joined Afterdawn when I was 15 back in 2006. The PC I built paled in comparison to that one. We all started somewhere ;)



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Originally posted by skydreamer:
It does indeed use krones, but my money is currently in Euro, and my brain is still wired to that.
Also it's more like 4400kr :/ Assuming I get my parents to give me an exchange rate of 8 and not 7.5, which is the actual one. (yeah I'm 16)
But seriously thank you for your help, I'll look into that right away!

EDIT: Ok, I'll have to cut out a few parts a bit, since else it won't fit.
I have decided to ignore the DVD Drive since I a) have an external one and b) my games are currently on steam and I don't use the DVD drive for much else anyway.
Then I decided to cut the RAM down to 4GB, opting for https://www.amentio.no/amentio/default....MZ4GX3M1A1600C9 instead.
It won't be amazing, but I can still play games with it, right? Also please tell me if there's something wrong with the ones I choose.

Then maybe I should trim the 1TB to 500GB, since I'll also have to still get a mouse and keyboard.
I could also wait a while, but with only 5? (40kr) pocket money a week it will take longer than I'd like to, although in 3 months I could afford it.
4GB will work, but no less. It's not exactly an issue yet, but you may find for more demanding games you'll need to close your web browser before playing if you keep lots of tabs open like I do. 500GB is as small as you should ever go with hard disks as there's no real cost saving to go any lower than that. As long as you're confident it's not going to be too tight for space, 500GB you can get away with.



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Ok, I know this isn't exactly your area of expertise, but I have 2 questions I'd need the answer to.
First, do you have any idea if the products of the site you linked me to are send from inside Norway? Because I know there are some insane taxations on stuff that get's in from the outside, and I'd rather not find out I have to pay another few thousand krones I don't have.

Second, do you think I get an invoice with online shopping? I thought yes, but my mom says we might only get a bill, which would not include necessary information about the taxes paid. Usually that wouldn't be a problem but because of reasons it would be in this case.
Also I'm not sure if in english the distinction between the word "bill" and "invoice" is the same as "ricevuta" and "fattura", so I'm not sure if what I just said made sense to you.
(I would check on the site but I don't speak norwegian yet :|)
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i3 isn't going to cut the mustard, if you are going to use Intel at least get a 3rd gen i5 or better, yes that is more money... Video card would be fine you could always upgrade later when money is better and they fall in price. Otherwise I would totally go with Sam's setup.

If you were to consider pre-built don't buy HP, they are crap software wise as well as hardware these days.

It looks like that is in Norway and you would have to add VAT tax. They should give you an invoice but to make sure request one.
 
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