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Changes to the rules and forum functions -- please read!
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18. August 2004 @ 23:16 |
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As I respect yours and thats no problem at all but did you know that in some countries like i believe in finland, the recording and movie industry and compensated from the sale of CD-R's and DVD-R's? To the people of these countries, they are paying a fair price!
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karen2003
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18. August 2004 @ 23:21 |
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I assume you mean from the sale of CD-Rs and DVD-Rs that are downloaded? If so, that makes sense and maybe that's why it's not piracy or illegal in Finland? That's not the case here in the U.S. Thanks for the clarification.
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18. August 2004 @ 23:23 |
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Im not sure how it happens all I know is that the cost of CD-R's and DVD-R's in countries like finland is very high! But you'll have to wait for one of the admins for better clarification!
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19. August 2004 @ 00:34 |
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In Finland -- just like in Canada and in various other countries -- blank media, such as blank CDR and DVDR discs, carry a high levy to compensate the movie and music industries. The pricing is slightly weird, as it is based on the number of minutes you can store audio in WAV format to each media.
So, a single DVDR blank costs something like €0.50, but in addition to that, a levy of €2.00 is added on top of the disc price. This is mandatory, whether you use the disc to store yor digital camera pics, backups or DVDs.
But in return, downloading music, movies, etc for personal use is perfectly legal. So is making a copy of a DVD to your friend -- even making a copy of a copy for your friend (as long as it is for "close friends" only and you don't get compensated for doing the copy).
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19. August 2004 @ 02:27 |
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Thnx for clarifying :-)
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19. August 2004 @ 04:43 |
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This website would be shut down if there were not rules and the cheaters were allowed free rein. Frankly I would be happy if I could find a mentioned program DVDfree43. I keep getting Google and otherwise searched that refer back to these threads that only mention the program and do not lead to a download site.
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19. August 2004 @ 05:34 |
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I like the reference to "let the moderators" make decisions, perhaps now the smart arse hypocites, who have the answers, but are not prepared to pass on to newbies, and answer with, "you are not allowed to ask this question" will pull their neck in
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19. August 2004 @ 06:11 |
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I was thinking what Karen put to words. However, as Dela points out, downloading these things is perfectly legal where AD is based so I guess it would fly here.
As with drchips, I will keep my own council when I don't fully agree.
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19. August 2004 @ 06:36 |
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It seems to me that Case 1 and Case 5 off-set each other. Example: Someone asks for a free serial number for Nero. I can't say go to www.------.com to get the number. But someone could say "There is a bunch of good information at www.-----.com". That would be OK. If I actually typed in the ------ everyone would know exactly what that site was for. It just doesn't make much sense to me. I agree with DrChips and will have to use my own judgement on this. But I see many problems with HOW YOU READ THE RULES.
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19. August 2004 @ 07:38 |
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I am pleased to see that Afterdawn is attempting to clarify the issue of piracy with what is and is not acceptable. This needed to be done. I am also pleased to see that dealing with questionable posts is now a moderator function.
I have also noticed a growing lack of civility towards newcomers in general ... and some responses are clearly meant to be offensive towards them. I trust that the mods will also begin dealing with these situations?
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19. August 2004 @ 08:05 |
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As Doc409 said:Quote:
I have also noticed a growing lack of civility towards newcomers in general ... and some responses are clearly meant to be offensive towards them. I trust that the mods will also begin dealing with these situations?
I think you may see the "offensive post" function used (abused?) as a limiting factor.
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perhaps now the smart arse hypocites, who have the answers, but are not prepared to pass on to newbies, and answer with, "you are not allowed to ask this question" will pull their neck in
and this kindo of post will encourage them to assist you how???
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19. August 2004 @ 08:46 |
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It seems to me that Case 1 and Case 5 off-set each other. Example: Someone asks for a free serial number for Nero. I can't say go to www.------.com to get the number. But someone could say "There is a bunch of good information at www.-----.com". That would be OK. If I actually typed in the ------ everyone would know exactly what that site was for. It just doesn't make much sense to me. I agree with DrChips and will have to use my own judgement on this. But I see many problems with HOW YOU READ THE RULES.
You _can_ say "Go to whatever.com, click on 'Pirates click here'". You can also say "Go to google.com and type 'serial numbers'" to the search.
The first case states that no pirated content can be posted to the forums. So you are not allowed to post a message with the actual serial number.
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19. August 2004 @ 14:21 |
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thats one of the coolest things about it, it's OK to disagree. Before I actually learned how to make backups, and before I had a DVD burner, my only choice to back up my movies was to download VCD and SVCD copies. So i cant agree that someone asking how to convert something needs to be labeled a pirate. You can go to alot of websites online and even go to your local library and find information on building plutonium bombs, C4, Symtex, and various other illegal things but thats all it is, information. The library cant be held responsible if someone really decides to make some C4 and blows up their neighbor now can they? Just like you can walk into any gas station and buy rolling papers, but it's up to YOU to put marijuana in them. I do agree that the rules may need a bit of refining to be more clear for the people that dont fully understand them. but it aint like we got a banner on the front page saying "Get Your Warez Here"!
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19. August 2004 @ 16:19 |
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How is this going to affect the "Console Backup" section? Are post referring to mod-chips, Evox, etc going to be allowed?
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19. August 2004 @ 16:23 |
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as far as I know, they always have been since you need those things the make/play backups of games you own.
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19. August 2004 @ 16:33 |
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I?ve read and then allowed the new rules to reverberate over and over again in my head hoping that at one point or another they?d gel and result in some form of synthesis. I?m still waiting for the results. I?m not really speculating when I say that the new rules are a result of a dwindling and disappearing membership, and that this is an attempt to turn that around. The new rules are however a ?double edged sword,? in an attempt to draw new members, will the new rules drive away old members? Will the forum be improved by a new fusion of newbie blood at the expense of those who?ve provided them with their expertise, the answers to their questions all along?
I still enjoy being a member of AD and I would like to see it continue to grow, but for it to do that it has to have something that others want. It has to provide them with a reason for coming here and staying a while. Will advertisers pay more money to AD to provide them with a clientele whose intentions are to buy nothing in the first place? It?s absurd to think that one can profit from those who intend to take what the want for free. Would you pay to advertise to that kind of clientele? I?m thinking no! My view of the problem is that AD is no longer instep with change, with what people want.
The forum is cluttered with meaningless irrelevant dead end threads that serve only to confuse and turn potential members away. Look to the threads that are working and the ones that aren?t and then ask a simple question, why! What drives the successful threads? What makes them different from the others? AD became popular as a place for inexperienced people to go and learn how to overcome the learning curve that followed complex DVD back up methods, but time, hardware, and software advances have almost rendered that learning curve irrelevant. All people want from us now, is for us to tell them which product to buy and a few still are looking for learning curve hurtles to jump.
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20. August 2004 @ 00:20 |
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Sophocles: The "disappearing members" aren't definitely the problem, as we have beaten our monthly records in terms of posts per day and new members signing up a day pretty much all the last couple of months.
The reason for clarifying the rules is simply this:
As you said, there are still users looking to learn about video format conversions, DVD ripping, etc. These guys come in to the forum and ask:
"I downloaded this movie X from P2P network and its in .AVI format and I'd like to get it converted into a DVDR, how do I do it?"
Now, for me, that is a potential new video freak, a person who gets a clear instructions or pointers where to start looking (like our guides), gets couple of hiccups, asks couple of more questions and finally succeeds. Falls in "love" with digital video and the weird and wonderful little twists that surround it and eventually is the guy after one or two years who is ready to help the next guy asking "I just downloaded this DVDR from this network and I'd like to get it and 10 other movies squeezed onto one Blu-Ray disc, how do I do it?".
Now, what has happened, is that the question asked above has been met with "Sorry, no piracy, f%&¤ off." replies, which leads into two options: user leaves and never comes back and probably downloads the movie as a DVDR off the P2P. Or, he comes back and tries to jump through the hoops to make his/her question sound more acceptable like "I have this self-made AVI that I need to convert into DVDR, how do I do it?" which is rather pointless, for various reasons, most them mentioned in this thread already.
So, that's why. We still don't want to encourage piracy, but simply try not to scare people off who have a valid a/v question to ask, but just can't "say it with a straight face" because of the fear of getting booted.
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20. August 2004 @ 00:37 |
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"I downloaded this movie X from P2P network and its in .AVI format and I'd like to get it converted into a DVDR, how do I do it?"
Now, for me, that is a potential new video freak, a person who gets a clear instructions or pointers where to start looking (like our guides), gets couple of hiccups, asks couple of more questions and finally succeeds. Falls in "love" with digital video and the weird and wonderful little twists that surround it and eventually is the guy after one or two years who is ready to help the next guy asking "I just downloaded this DVDR from this network and I'd like to get it and 10 other movies squeezed onto one Blu-Ray disc, how do I do it?".
I seem to remember a case where a user asked a question about a movie download from P2P and why it wasnt working! I seem to remember an admin answering that question without flaming that user. Who was that user again???? Oh ye, It was me :-) and the Admin was, dRD! lol
Now come forth a year and a half, if I asked the same question, I would have gotten answers like "f**k off, no piracy posting here, read the rules a$$hole" and eventually ended up being banned.
Now that would have sucked! lol
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20. August 2004 @ 08:34 |
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"...if I asked the same question, I would have gotten answers like "f**k off, no piracy posting here, read the rules a$$hole..."
Dela, your comment hits the nail on the head about my concern over a growing lack of civility (posted above). The thing is, one does not have to ask a question that falls into the category of piracy to have open season declared. This can happen with double posting or any other rule violation. It can also happen to anyone who appears to be too lazy to have researched their question before asking it. The list goes on. I see many of these hostile and/or arrogant responses as totally unwarranted and without purpose ... especially when a kinder, polite approach would suffice.
In essence, while the definition of piracy definitely needed to be clarified, the piracy issue exposes a more fundamental, deeper issue of how people are treated in general when they unwittingly step over someone's line here. One thing is for certain, if AD was a for-profit company, and newcomers were seen as customers, some members wouldn't last the day regardless of their depth of knowledge. It's my opinion that there should be an overall effort towards basic human civility if AD wants to attract and keep good people.
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20. August 2004 @ 09:07 |
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It's my opinion that there should be an overall effort towards basic human civility if AD wants to attract and keep good people.
i totally agree with that, and i think that was a major factor in prompting this rule clarification. It seems as though everyone was on a see and destroy mission to thrash someone that posted a question that shouldn't have been here. It wouldn't be so bad if people knew this site as a place with strict moderators rather than a place where every user is an asshole. I think using the idea of "let the mods handle it" will straighten things out for everyone. We are more than happy to be the "bad guys" when needed, but it really sucks if most of our members are also viewed that way. I would definately be scared off as a newbie if every person that answered my post yelled at me, but coming from a mod it just seems less harsh since we are here to enforce the rules anyway.
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20. August 2004 @ 12:34 |
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My statement about the dwindling membership was just a stab in the dark and I stand to be corrected if I was wrong, but what I said about dead end threads remains true. I agree that some members have handled the piracy issue a little too aggressively, and it gives the wrong first impression to those who?ve come here for the first time. I do like the link ?report an offensive post,? because as darthnip and Praetor knows, the threads that I patron seem to attract malcontents like fleas to a dog. Like drchips if I feel that I can?t answer a question in good conscience then I?ll move on and leave it to someone who can.
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20. August 2004 @ 13:55 |
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I would definately be scared off as a newbie if every person that answered my post yelled at me, but coming from a mod it just seems less harsh since we are here to enforce the rules anyway.
Not all Newbys do not know what a Mod means darthnip.When i first started on this site i did not really have a clue what a Moderator was to be honest as it was my first forum.Sure i asked some stupid questions and got a few telling off's but that was called testing the water until i got a feel for the place.I had a general idea what a newbie was from day 1 but the differance between senior and mod i did not have a clue so it would have made no differance to me if it was you or a senior who had told me off you we all the same.I must admitt i can take sorry we do not talk about this thanks.
This i would considered a reasonable response to a question someone is not allowed to answer.You take it on the chin like a man if it come from newbie or mod.Its just the iam pi__ed off with these newbies sort of answer which is bad.
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20. August 2004 @ 13:56 |
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that sounds like a good plan to me. Even if the rules say it's ok, if you dont feel comfy answering it, by all means dont! That sounds like a good plan that will suite everyone. It's really no different than not answering simply because you dont know the answer. I dont feel comfy answering posts about certain things so i would never do it. See, i think once the rules sink in and people get the feel of things, everything will work out and we'll be well upon our way to becoming the kick ass place we were in the past (not that it sucks not, but you know what i mean).
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20. August 2004 @ 14:27 |
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See, i think once the rules sink in and people get the feel of things, everything will work out and we'll be well upon our way to becoming the kick ass place we were in the past (not that it sucks not, but you know what i mean).
The kick ass place we were in the past?:)
Perhaps you could elaborate a bit. Since there is no membership drop according to dRD, how has things changed?
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20. August 2004 @ 15:35 |
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I mean the recent downward decline of the general attitudes of people, and everyone being so quick to jump on anyone that even came close to breaking the rules. Sure you'll always have a bit of that here and there but recently it's been just flat out nuts. One of the main reasons the new reporting feature was added was to help stop actions like that and just let the mods handle it. Then newbies coming in here wont just think that everyone here are assholes. If I were a newbie and posted a question and 5 different people responded by ripping me apart about it, i doubt i would return. This new feature will help with that.
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