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Doofy
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1. September 2004 @ 08:45 |
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Nope it doesnt add anything i have sp2 and have had no problems whatsoever, in fact my computer has never been so stable
Burn rubber that doesn't mean warp speed
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brobear
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2. September 2004 @ 03:35 |
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The biggest reason for SP2 is for security purposes. It makes the OS much less vulnerable to the attacks that are currently targeting the OS. While not bothering some, it is causing problems for others. The wise bet is to wait for the parts Microsoft thinks the systems need and supply through Windows Update.
A friend just crashed his system with the SP2 download and a system restore won't fix the problem. He's looking at a reformat and a new setup. The SP2 may not have been the direct problem, but it was a contributing factor.
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ascii
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2. September 2004 @ 04:08 |
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Just go back and use the latest version of Nero 5.
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brobear
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2. September 2004 @ 04:28 |
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ascii
How would that help if the system has been deep sixed, gone kaput, and needs to be reformated? In some cases, SP2 has some detrimental effects on the OS in which Nero runs. Not directly on Nero.
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2. September 2004 @ 05:08 |
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If nero 6 does not work, does that mean, dvd decrypter will not work ?
So therefore nero 5 is not the same as nero 6, so i had issues using nero 6 with sp2 on computer upstairs, so i took out nero 6, put nero 5 in, the latest version, so that it had the updated list of dvd writers, and no more hassle with SP2.
[EDIT] And with the topic being nero 6 and sp2.
And yes if the system is screwed then either spend lots of hours with your machine, or put a ghost image back in that you made prior to applying sp2.
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michigan
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2. September 2004 @ 05:12 |
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Also if you use Shrink the newest version won't work with any version of Nero except 6.
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ascii
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2. September 2004 @ 05:17 |
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Strange that shrink won't work with anything other than Nero 6, as i just burn them with Nero or any other burning program that is capable of buring dvds, you mean that it will not do this for you automatically with out nero6, ic heres me thinking i couldn't do anything for myself.
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brobear
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2. September 2004 @ 07:01 |
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Yes, one could put back a Ghost copy of the drive, if they had backed it up with Norton Ghost. But just a backup from restore won't work if the damage is with configuration files. Michigan has it right, Nero 6 with the Shrink. BTW, I'm going to follow my own advice and wait for the Windows Update.
If it came down to making a choice, I'd rather have my Nero 6 than the SP2 pack.
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michigan
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2. September 2004 @ 13:46 |
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I'm with you there Brobear, I'm not touching that SP2 for a while. It sounds like ot is just a bit to flakey to me. In time I'm sure it will be fine, but right now look at all the problems. I'll keep my Nero and take my chances without SP2
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ascii
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2. September 2004 @ 15:30 |
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I only meant image as in make a ghost image of drive. Not as in any other form of image that windows can make, and certainy not as in system restore, who the hell uses system restore it sucks, and has major flaws.
And using ghost to make image and restoring the image file to your hard drive will overwrite everything on that partition. ie C: Who the hell runs an operating system on their hard drive without first partitioning it
BTW the latest version of dvd shrink, will let you burn the AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folders with nero 5 or any other dvd burning software you want.
I am not on about the option " after it has re-authored etc, to back up to a DVD " As in automatically, i always use the hard drive to just store the audio and video ts folders then burn with anything i want.
And just to let you know i am not saying XP SP2 is any good, as i don't like it, and it would be best to wait until you hear the all clear from lots of sources.
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3. September 2004 @ 14:08 |
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Well if misery enjoys company, I came to the correct thread. Posted a thread here earlier today ( http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/1/105855#557256 ) and was directed to this thread. I have upgraded to SP2, Nero 6 current. I do not receive any errors during any process with DVD Shrink or Nero (before or after SP2 upgrade). But after 40 successful DVD burns, created my first coaster.. the first burn after SP2 upgrade.
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3. September 2004 @ 15:08 |
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yup you guy's ain't wrong by a mile, I've got this new pc a month or so back,
with a dozen or more sp2 downloads. #But I ain't too sure bout the big one.
Seems better minds than me have problems..
El gringle..
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brobear
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3. September 2004 @ 20:20 |
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Michigan
Don't know where ascii was going with that little rant. No one mentioned anything contrary to making a Ghost with Norton's Ghost if they want to. I just said Windows won't restore some of the problems precipitated by SP2 is why using a program like Ghost could be necessary in the first place. Agreeing with him obviously upset him.
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I only meant image as in make a ghost image of drive. Not as in any other form of image that windows can make, and certainy not as in system restore, who the hell uses system restore it sucks, and has major flaws.
No one questioned what you said. Mention of restore was due to a lot of people disagreeing with your opinion of System Restore, including myself (personal preference). Using a program like Ghost and System Restore as necessary is the best bet. Most people use System Restore because often they don't need to go to the extreme of using a program like Ghost to restore a drive when they only need to correct a simple problem. Also, a lot of people don't have a restoration utility such as Ghost.
ascii, you need to watch the language and the attitude.
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And using ghost to make image and restoring the image file to your hard drive will overwrite everything on that partition. ie C: Who the hell runs an operating system on their hard drive without first partitioning it
In answer to that, just about everyone who buys a computer has the OS on an unpartitioned drive. BTW, what are you restoring if not the OS and programing. Without the matching OS registry, programs are sometimes useless. I've seen a lot of files damaged by an OS doing file recovery. When one gets a PC they can use a program such as Partition Magic, but most people don't. Also XP is capable of handling the mega drives without a problem. Back in the old days people partitioned drives to make it easier to defrag and preserve files. With the newer, faster drives and operating systems and available software, that is not much of a problem anymore.
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BTW the latest version of dvd shrink, will let you burn the AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folders with nero 5 or any other dvd burning software you want.
I am not on about the option " after it has re-authored etc, to back up to a DVD " As in automatically, i always use the hard drive to just store the audio and video ts folders then burn with anything i want.
Well good for you, you are using DVD Shrink as a ripper and encoder or just a ripper. You didn't say which option you used to rip to the HD. One can choose no compression and rip the files to HD and run the files through another encoder if you choose to. For example, some people use Shrink to edit and run files through RB/CCE and then burn with another program. With the encoded (shrunk) Video_TS or ISO file any number of burners can finish the job and burn. You're right on that.
However, most people like to use DVD Shrink to full capacity and go ahead and let it use a burner program, like Nero 6, to auto burn the finished product. Before you start giving advice, you may want to get a guide and learn about the rest of the program. Those quality settings in the new 3.2 sure do a great job to. There is a limited number of options with the auto burn choice. Did I mention I was involved with beta testing the new 3.2? Again I agree you are right about burning HD files, but you can burn HD files created by any program with any number of burner programs. That isn't specific to Shrink ripped files.
As for using Nero 5. I guess there are quite a few people with the old version. However, most people are using the new Nero 6 because of all the upgrades. Nero 6 is just a preference and no one faults you for using an old program if you choose to. The New Nero can be downloaded on a monthly basis and used free, although a lot of people have a tendency to buy it. So, currently Nero 6 and DVD Shrink 3.2 is the best free setup that can be found. That is why I handily agreed with Michigan. Not what can be used, but what is probably best and easily acquired. Haven't seen too many trial versions of Nero 5 lately or versions for sale.
Also, if you want to get technical on us, you should realize the fact that you aren't burning any Audio_TS folders with the DVD movies using Shrink; everything is in the Video_TS folder and the Audio_TS folder is empty. If you don't believe it, just look.
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And just to let you know i am not saying XP SP2 is any good, as i don't like it, and it would be best to wait until you hear the all clear from lots of sources.
Nice to see we agree on something. I believe that was being said by quite a few all along, wait until the creator of the app has it sorted out. As far as a lot of it goes; I have software that accomplishes what the SP2 hopes to achieve and is far less troublesome and easier to turn off when I wish. Let's all hope Longhorn (or whatever they call the new OS) is a better app.
Getting back to Nero and SP2, it appears a lot of what is happening is indirect. The SP2 sometimes affects the OS, which in turn affects the operation of Nero and a lot of other things.
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ascii
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4. September 2004 @ 02:42 |
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Ok, i know there is nothing in the audio_ts folder, i do not need to look. DVD Shrink has an option to create the audio_ts and video_ts folders, i always put an audio_ts folder on all my dvds, as it was said that it was needed for compatibility with supposedly older players, I just got into the habit of always creating the folder as it's inclusion would certainly not hurt but it's exclusion might, and It is needed for AOB files, like music dvds etc.
I know there are a lot of options in shrink, i don't just start a program and hope for the best. I have used DVD Shrink with all the different projects it offers.
I pressume the monthly free Nero 6 programs you are on about are from the creators homepage, well so are the previous versions of Nero, they may not be updated as regular, but they are there, and Nero 6 being updated more often may have something to do with a couple of factors, newer burner recognition, fixing bugs, blacklisted cracks, serial numbers.
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Yes, one could put back a Ghost copy of the drive, if they had backed it up with Norton Ghost. But just a backup from restore won't work if the damage is with configuration files.
my reply to that was based on, that it seemed as if you were saying that putting the image back in would still leave the configuration files damaged, which would not be true.
Now i can see you were talking about system restore.
Which would be another good reason then not to use system restore.if configuration files are still damaged after a restore.
I don't partition all my hard drives(or anybody elses) for no good reason either and not for the reason's you stated, i do it for a number of reasons, firstly why should i have to format the whole of my 120 gig hard drive, when i only need to format 10-15 gig that my operating systems reside in. Secondly, so i can place the (swap/page file) on a seperate partition to the operating system,(or even better i use a different hard drive on the secondary ide (master)). And so that when i use ghost it does not include between 768 -1024 meg of virtual mem to add to the image file size, especially if the image was to fit on just one cd, yeah i know ghost can span onto further discs,(and can now burn to dvd, not much good if customer does not have a dvd burner in computer though) i just do not want to carry loads of cds dvds when i am fixing other peoples computers, as it can get rather confusing having to carry hundreds of discs for hundreds of clients computers.
A lot of people that have bought their machine from Time, Dell, Emachines etc, and they want me to fix it when its gone belly up, a lot of my time is taken up having to back up material ranging from, their digital camera photo's including things like wedding photos, baby photos, and other sensitive material they have like documents etc, these all have to be backed up if there is just one big 40-120 gig (C:) hard drive, its a pain if they have a dvd burner or a cd writer, even harder when they have no writer at all, and they learn that in order to have their computer functioning again and their material backed up, that i will have to take drive away and recover everything from drive at more cost to them and more cost to me in [time], or the cheaper or less time consuming, to just format the drive and start again.
Sorry if it seems to be a rant, but i aint some idiot that can be talked down to. well i may be an idiot but i still do not like to be talked down to.
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michigan
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4. September 2004 @ 04:29 |
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brobear,
Thanks for the backup I don't think I would have said it quite as in detail as you did but I agree.
ascii,
No one was "talking down" to you get over yourself.
How the hell do you talk down to someone on a computer screen! If you make a comment that is open to opinion (ie.Who the hell runs an operating system on their hard drive without first partitioning it) you should expect people to take the side they believe and not think it is a personal atack on you. Grow some thicker skin.
We all try to help out here if you don't get the answer your looking for clarify the issue.
If you don't want or feel you should need to clarify the issue in a nice way then drop it.
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ascii
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4. September 2004 @ 07:13 |
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We all try to help out here if you don't get the answer your looking for clarify the issue.
I only offered a solution to the person that was not able to burn media whilst using Nero 6 and sp2, i suggested to just use Nero 5 instead, but i made the mistake of not quoting, so that anyone else reading would be able to see the post i replied to, instead of someone thinking that i was replying to the fact that sp had damaged the operating system.
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michigan
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4. September 2004 @ 07:20 |
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That's better
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brobear
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4. September 2004 @ 15:42 |
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Glad we got that straightened out. Those little things often cause misunderstandings. It's nice to put names up to make clear who one is responding to. Also in a busy thread, it is nice to quote what you're referring to.
BTW, that was some good thinking on your part getting the setup to work without a major restore. However the problem is still there and you can't use the upgraded version of Nero due to whatever happened. Don't know if that makes any difference to you. But for many, the upgrades in Nero 6 make it the program they want.
We're all open for discussion and debate here on the forum. Not clarifying one's statements often leads to disagreements. Even when there are disagreements, there is no reason to get ugly or rude and use bad language.
BTW, you may want to do a little more study before dealing with technical aspects of computers and software.
Regards and have a good evening.
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ascii
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4. September 2004 @ 15:52 |
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Did i use bad language like?
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brobear
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4. September 2004 @ 16:32 |
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who the hell..., ...sucks
Not just what was said, but the context. I didn't pay attention to what was taken out in your edits. No one was talking down to you except yourself.
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well i may be an idiot but i still do not like to be talked down to.
Enjoy the forum and ease up a bit. No one is after you or trying to put you down.
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ascii
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5. September 2004 @ 04:20 |
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I took out only typos in my edits.
And In any context "who the hell" is not bad language.
And it is you who needs to do the studying, or at least finish your SATS first before telling me to do some studying.
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Michigan has it right, Nero 6 with the Shrink
For someone that supposedly beta tested dvd shrink, you know nothing about it, otherwise you would not have said that you cannot use nero 5 and use the automated burn process, as i can use the automated process to burn the dvd using nero 5, in particular nero Nero551056.
Now that may be different if you are using a hacked version of nero then it might not work.
But then again i own a legal version.
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5. September 2004 @ 04:42 |
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Easy there big shot.
Shrink 3.2 is designed to run with Nero 6 not any of the previous versions. This is a fact. If your version 5 works great for you but I will always suggest Nero 6,
1st that is what Shrink is designed to work with.
2nd it is a better more stable version with several bugs fixed.
Telling someone who has been around here for quite a while (as a senior member he has over 500 posts and they are always infomative and helpfull) that they don't know what they are doing borders on idiocy.
Telling someone that Beta tested the product they don't know anything about it after YOU came looking for help is just plain stupid.
I do own a 100% legal version of Nero ultra 6.
And In any context "who the hell" is not bad language.
Where are you from? I have two kids one 10 and one 5 and if they were to say that and I heard them, there would be "hell" to pay. Every once and a while we get some "kids" in here and the foul language is not needed.
I have been around here for quite some time and come back to try and help out others I enjoy helping others get on the right track and fix the problems they have. I try to play peace-maker when things get a little heated and give people the benefit of the doubt. I have never been pissed off enough with someone to tell them this.
If you are here to learn and contribute welcome, but you will not recieve any more help from me. I will, from now on ignore you. Good day.
Edited for spelling and unneeded pissed off comments
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5. September 2004 @ 05:00 |
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I did not come here to get help i do not need any,I came here to offer it with regards to Nero 6 and sp2, and the fact that on 4 other computers nero5 does not have the issue of giving bad burns whilst using service pack 2.
It does not matter how many posts someone has, if the information of the posts are wrong and inaccurate, "saying the latest version of DVD Shrink will only work with Nero 6 is the wrong information, saying it will not work with Nero 5", is inaccurate also. Whether it was designed to only work with 6 or not, the fact that it does work and someone says it does not work is the wrong info, and not fact. So therefore it should be pointed out that it does indeed work with the latest version of Nero 5.
And hell is no swear word.
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brobear,
Thanks for the backup I don't think I would have said it quite as in detail as you did but I agree.
ascii,
No one was "talking down" to you get over yourself.
How the hell do you talk down to someone on a computer screen! If you make a comment that is open to opinion (ie.Who the hell runs an operating system on their hard drive without first partitioning it) you should expect people to take the side they believe and not think it is a personal atack on you. Grow some thicker skin.
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brobear
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5. September 2004 @ 12:27 |
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So, currently Nero 6 and DVD Shrink 3.2 is the best free setup that can be found. That is why I handily agreed with Michigan. Not what can be used, but what is probably best and easily acquired. Haven't seen too many trial versions of Nero 5 lately or versions for sale
I believe I clarified what I said quite clearly.
Michigan
Don't be suckered into a flaming session. I agreed with you that Nero is a good choice. I belive we explained our point of view and don't need to get things confused any further. This incident has been reported to the mods. Possibly now everyone will cool off and if anyone has anything pertinent to say, go ahead. The thread needs to get back on topic.
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5. September 2004 @ 12:33 |
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Your right brobear,
My appoligies to everyone
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