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5. September 2004 @ 13:37 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Yo Brobear, 'tis a funny ol' thread this one; lots of in'fo fer us proles, tho detached, almost, 'but nere quite'outside the level of "who can piss the farthest"

Lots of good points made a apiece, and it has been very informative.


El gringle..

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One needs to learn how to disagree without getting personal. Raking things and commenting on flamers does no good either. Didn't realize I was getting involved in one of those situations and stopped it as soon as I came back on this evening and saw what was happening. Everyone has a right on the forum, but no one has the right to attack another.

Unless this thread can get back on topic, it needs to close.

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And In any context "who the hell" is not bad language.
I see nothing wrong with the word. I would rather say what the hell? then WTF?
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Where are you from? I have two kids one 10 and one 5 and if they were to say that and I heard them, there would be "hell" to pay.
C'mon now ... most of us are adults here, and the few how young ones who find afterdawn can handle the word "hell"

Now as far as Shrink and Nero 5 ... ddlooping said he's heard it works and with some it doesn't. So it's good to know Nero 5 can work with Shrink.

Back on topic .... I installed SP2 on my pc yesterday. Everything works fine. Have tested burining with Nero 6(newest version), CloneDVD2 & XCopy Platinum (advanced mode). Have yet to test with DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink or DVD Rebuilder ... but I don't think I'll have any problems.

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I have a review by an IT Engineer. This will give a good picture of what SP2 is all about; so the confusion about what the program does can be dispelled. No problems with recording programs occurred. This is not to say it won't mess with a sytem because it has. That comes from other qualified people. If it was ready for prime time, it would be a Windows Update.

Here is the SP2 review:
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So far the plus points are:
The Windows Xp firewall:
This has been strengthened to the point of it having the worth of a 3rd party application.
Personally I don't use the firewall in XP. I use a router with DSL modem built in that has a SPI (Stateful Packet Inspection) firewall built in, as I have 5 systems on my network.
That being said even with the firewall turned off you have the ability to block 3rd party applications from accessing the internet / network (like you can with zone alarm etc). Whilst this may be confusing for some, for me it's handy. You can see what is trying to "phone home" and stop it. Ever so handy if you have a rogue app that you do not know about. Strike one for SP2

Worm protection:
We all know about the Blaster and Sasser worm, those little buggers that literally climb up your phone line and mess up your PC. I purposely connected to the net for an hour today using my old DSL modem without a firewall to see if I'd be infected. I am pleased to say Norton AV had no work to do. According to the logs I was hit 485 times on port 135 (the one that the Worms use to get in) however I was not infected even though I was open for attack. Strike two for SP2.

The Popup blocker in Internet explorer:
YAY! At last they have finally "pulled their finger out" and made one as standard! All I can say is.. it works, and it works well! I tried a notoriously bad site for pop up hell and it flew through this exam. OK the google toolbar will do the same job, however with this as standard equipment it's up to you.

Now the bad points....
The firewall:
Ok I praised it earlier, however it does have an annoyance. You cannot set up a "trusted zone". Those that are on a local network cannot allow traffic from trusted sources IE: your local network. It treats everything as hostile. You can turn off the firewall for your network connection and keep it active on your modem connection, however you do get nagged about it in the toolbar (another annoyance!).

The Security Center in the toobar:
This little blighter is the heart of the update it seems. It nags you that you are not safe if you take security out of it's hands. I have a firewall in the router that beats any software firewall, Norton AV 2003, which in my opinion after testing is the best version and numerous other security measures in place. It nags me incessantly because "I am not secure", unless I turn it off, Which I had to do in the end to stop it bugging me. For the modem user, be it dial up or ADSL user it's fine. you can use the firewall, let windows monitor your antivirus etc and you won't get nagged, but for me, it's a real pain! I'd love to leave it on and see what's going on, but the nagging is too much. So it's shut off. Also it does not monitor Norton Properly and bugs you that it does not know if your AV is up to date. C'Mon Microsoft Peter Norton has been making apps for your soft for about as long as you have been in business. I am sure you have worked out how to hook into it by now!

So in conclusion:
I think it's a worthy update, the security and the exploit blocking is good, however be a little weary setting it up after upgrading. It could blow your Local Network out of the water. Also better communication with antivirus software could be a bonus.
A good security app, but it can mess up a system. The warning is to backup your system if you choose to try it.

'Brobear'





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SP2 is already available using Windows Update.

unless that's not what you mean.

[Edit] Or rather what the sp2 reviewer means
[Edit] And if it's available that means it's ready, Well in microsoft speak only.
So come back to it in 6 months time, you should be safe then.

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I hadn't noticed the recent placement of SP2 in Windows Update. It was being downloaded from other parts of the Microsoft sytem for a while. That's where most people were getting it. More recently they've added it to updates I see now. I hadn't checked the site recently. Glad you pointed it out for those wanting to check it out. I was under the impression they were going to deliver it in segments as needed. As is, it is the one complete download. Guess they figured everyone should have it all. Check this site before downloading and installing. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/preinstall.mspx It will supply the info you need before installation.

As everyone has said, including yourself, one needs to do a good system backup if they are going to load it. As for myself, I have 3rd party programs for security and don't need this download. In fact, with my system, I will probably never download it. The 3rd party programs for me are easier to deal with than a add-on that is both troublesome and sometimes dangerous to some OSs. I built my system the way I want it and I'm not going to tamper with it just because there's something new. I appreciate the people who have tried it out and reported on it. If I was working with a clean format, I might reconsider.

Ascii, with your superior knowledge of these things, I'm glad you agree on the points of good backup and not jumping into SP2 before knowledgable sources give it better approval. For me, I'll probably wait on Longhorn or something else.

Also, glad you realize it's an imperfect world.
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[Edit] Or rather what the sp2 reviewer means
[Edit] And if it's available that means it's ready, Well in microsoft speak only.
So come back to it in 6 months time, you should be safe then.
As we all know, sometimes it takes even longer and a new product to be rid of the problems. Then we get more problems. The older OSs had their problems and along came XP. The service packs were pretty much plugs to get the system functional with demands being placed on the system. Wonder why I referred to Longhorn? The replacement for XP has been in the works for a long time. Will it have problems? Yes, look for more service packs.
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SP2 is already available using Windows Update.

unless that's not what you mean.
I'm fairly fluent, if you have a direct question, I usually do a good job with those. I'm glad with your superior wisdom that you decided to come to AD to help us out. You should prove to be a great asset to AD. Now that you've gotten this thread straightened out, you may want to go on an tell the other members where they are going wrong.
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I did not come here to get help i do not need any,I came here to offer it with regards to Nero 6 and sp2, and the fact that on 4 other computers nero5 does not have the issue of giving bad burns whilst using service pack 2.


I thought that was what you said; you don't need any help and only came to help us. Curious, are all 5 your computers with SP2 and Nero5?

Ascii, appreciate your straightening us out. Glad you're here and the rest of us can take a rest now. Glad to have you aboard and have a nice day, stay, and enjoy the forum.

'Brobear'





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I notice this thread refers to Nero and XP SP2, Seems a lot of other things are discussed here (and has been interesting reading lol)...

I've been running SP2 (final) for about 5 weeks now, the most stable GUI OS I've ever seen from Microsoft, it is clear that a complete rewrite of many core components has been undertaken. Max I ever got out of XP was 5 weeks, but this time altho it's only 5 weeks so far, it's going so smooth. And yeah, whoever mentioned the popup blocker, it works REALLY well, and it works in the best way I've ever seen a popup running, good notification, and a key to bypass (ctrl or alt... can't remember which!!!) As for the firewall, Well done m$, a firewall that works, is usable, configurable, yet still with little options that it doesn't put the end user off from using. I also use a hardware modem, but have tested the firewall thoroughly and it works very well.
I have found information to the effect that some people are having problems with 'download accelerator) type software, be it http or ftp clients, SP1 would allow the software to open as many incoming ports as the software wanted (causing big problems security wise), SP2 has this limited, if you're affected, again ask your software vendor for an update. As for wait 6 months, it has been, SP2 has been out there a while, okay not final, but it was there. SP1 has been out longer, and the flaws and security problems in there make it an OS I would NOT run anymore it's simply to unsafe/unstable. Read up on the fixes to the code in SP2 (there's detailed info if you search), Some of the holes in SP1 are simply huge!

Ahead software released a compatible version of Nero also 5 weeks ago, so anyone having problems, simply update Nero (or is your dodgy key blacklisted?) It would seem that some of you with 'dodgy serials' can't run your keygens anymore, I wonder why? Did you know SP2 also has code to stop malicous programs running in protected areas of memory? So do the latest processors ;)

I can't believe that the people with problems didn't think to install Nero5 as a temporary measure, some of you come out with constructive comments, the most constructive I saw on here was a simple on liner a few pages back 'Use Nero 5', okay that doesn't fix Nero 6, but it works until you can buy version 6.

Indeed before attempting any major update to an OS, or major shift of software elements, it would be wise to perform a backup of the drive, an binary image of the drive is the wisest course of action, Personally, the same as Ascii, I use Norton/Symantec Ghost. it would seem that some on here aren't too up on what this is (tho seem to have their own comments! lol) Basically, it performs a binary write of the raw data on the drive, thus your drive can be returned to it's EXACT binary state, overwriting ALL files, including dodgy config files, or a broken registry.

I have one client who DOES have problems with Nero 6, The damage seems to have been caused by a System Restore' being performed, really the system needs to now be reinstalled as the OS seems to be running a mix of SP1 and SP2 files, Nero5 however runs flawlessly, as does Shrink (USING Nero 5), DVD Decrypter, DVDxpress. As previously mentioned, Ahead HAS an update to Nero 6 that DOES work with SP2, was simply a problem with the flawed 'system restore' of windows in the case I mention here. System restore is a quick/temporary/dirty fix, Ghost is a long term clean fix :D

Okay, that's My little bit there, Hope I don't get flamed for mentioning that I used Nero 5 on a clients machine, or that I slated system restore, lol

Did I mention I hate m$ for making such an unstable OS in the first place? SP2 is the most stable thing they've come out with since MSDOS, they didn't write MSDOS, they bought it, wonder who has coded SP2 here... hmmmmmmm

Steve!

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Bah, I can't edit My posts, or can I?

I notice someone having problems with 'trusted zones' in the windows firewall.. click on the firewall tab, and you'll see all your network adapters (including modem) listed, simply take the tick out of the box for the zone/network device to be trusted (i.e tick is firewall on, no tick firewall off):D
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I did not come here to get help i do not need any,I came here to offer it with regards to Nero 6 and sp2, and the fact that on 4 other computers nero5 does not have the issue of giving bad burns whilst using service pack 2.
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I thought that was what you said; you don't need any help and only came to help us. Curious, are all 5 your computers with SP2 and Nero5?
I should have been a little more specific with what i typed, I have installed sp2 into a computer i own, that has a version of nero 6 on it.

The installation of sp2 into this computer, was not done as i would normally do this, i just wanted to get a quick idea of what sp2 had to offer.
So i ran the exe and updated the computer, the version of nero 6 That was installed on this computer, was one of the earlier versions of nero 6.

I Installed this version of nero 6 sometime ago before updating to SP2, just to see what it was like.

I soon realised that i did not like it that much, and in particular it could not burn dreamcast backups, it came back with an error telling me that my cd writer did not support that kind of multisession writing, this i knew not to be true. As it was the same cd writer that i used all the time to burn dreamcast game backups.
Thinking drive my be faulty, i swapped it for another brand new one, nero 6 came back with the same error.
So i powered up another one of my many computers, this also had a plextor cd writer in it, and opened nero 5 and burnt the dreamcast game with no problems.

So i uninstalled nero 5 installed nero 6 then tried again.
As sone as it tried to write the second track in the multi session, it gave the same error, your writer does not support this type of writing.
So i unistalled nero 6, put nero 5 back in and nero 5 wrote disc as it had done before again with no problems.

Anyway back to sp2 and nero 6, there is only one of my computers that i have had nero 6 in and sp2, as soon as i knew nero6 and sp2 was a no go, and because i had not at this time slipstreamed sp2 into my xp pro, i just decided to reinstall nero5.
So when i do get round to installing my xp cd with sp2, i will not be putting nero 6 in, i will still use nero 5 as i have never had an error in nero 5, in over 4,000 burns, with the exception of a power calibration error, which had nothing to do with nero 5.

All of my computers, have multi booting partitions, and SATA drives in em, so i can store upto 5 seperate operating systems, like 3 version of xp, 2 version of me, or any combination i choose, each one not visible to the operating system in operation, apart for the XP install on one of the sata drives, as that is visible to the operating system, as a local drive(SATA XP) and not hidden.
So updating reinstalling upto 6*6 operating systems is very time consuming, and as i am expecting another one in november, I may also have to get a bigger house.

Hope that clears up, how many computers i am running with the combination of nero 6 and SP2.

[EDIT] Or rather how many computers i own that were running nero 6 and SP2, The other 4 computers are not mine they are "friends", who also just use nero 5 and sp2."i could install nero 6 sp2 to customers computers, as then i would get more money, when they need updating, but i aint like that, so i install nero 5 that came bundled with their writers or with the writer i had built their system up with. None of which have had any problems with this combination.

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Did I mention I hate m$ for making such an unstable OS in the first place? SP2 is the most stable thing they've come out with since MSDOS, they didn't write MSDOS, they bought it, wonder who has coded SP2 here... hmmmmmmm
Hmmm.... We love those love / hate relationships, sort of keeps things interesting. Afterall, SP2 is just an update and security patch for XP. Hate the program but love the patch to fix the program I hate. Good one.

Steve, glad you joined us and added to the thread. LOL

@Ashington
Nope, no flaming. As long as one presents a point of view there is nothing wrong with that. We all have them. Sometimes through the course of discussing things, we come up with some logical conclusions. One is that you have a misconception about what was being said. Most of us here whole-heartedly agree with what ascii was saying about using Ghost and backing up. Ghost, which is an excellent program in my book, or a similar product is a very good choice for backing up one's drive. Good point made by ascii there. Though you call System Restore a nasty fix, most of the people who have it use it. In fact, most of the people I've heard from say the first thing tech assistance asks when they call in is, "Have you used System Restore?". Me, I'm a proponent of using Ghost, as suggested by ascii, and also using the 'dirty' System Restore when one needs a simple fix that it can do. I'm sure you and ascii don't mind the rest of us that use it, otherwise we would be wasting a lot of time.

Also, if ascii had mentioned that he was using Nero 5 as a work around for his system with SP2 , instead of just making that quick statement "Use Nero 5", there wouldn't have been the confusion that occurred. The people who use Nero along with DVD Shrink and those who tested it know that Nero 5 was a hit or miss proposition with the program. Note the Mod Flip's comment:
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Now as far as Shrink and Nero 5 ... ddlooping said he's heard it works and with some it doesn't. So it's good to know Nero 5 can work with Shrink.
In case you don't know who ddlooping is, check out DVDShrink.info. DD is one of our foremost experts on Shrink and was instrumental in the last beta testing program that lead to Shrink 3.2. In fact, he hosted the downloads of the beta programs. So, when he says something about Shrink and Nero, you can pretty much bank on it.

There was a very good point made about availability as well. Nero 5 is no longer downloaded as a trial from Ahead. Versions of Nero 5 are not readily available for purchase on the retail market. You had a copy, but millions of users don't. So, a lot of people would have a problem getting a copy for the 'work around'. But, the workaround with Nero 5 still doesn't solve the problem of getting Nero 6 to work.
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Ahead HAS an update to Nero 6 that DOES work with SP2
Thanks for putting that info in there. I'm sure the people who don't upgrade their Nero on a regular basis will appreciate the information. My firewall program has an excellent memory and it lets Nero 'call home' to check on availability of upgrades. Nice part of a good firewall and Nero being such a good app.
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Ahead software released a compatible version of Nero also 5 weeks ago, so anyone having problems, simply update Nero (or is your dodgy key blacklisted?) It would seem that some of you with 'dodgy serials' can't run your keygens anymore, I wonder why?
Might want to study up on keygens and 'dodgy serials', most people in the security business realize 'dodgy serials' don't run keygens; keygens generate 'dodgy serials' or alter the registry (keygen as in generate key).
BTW Steve, someone should have told you, as you didn't learn on your own, people don't have to have those 'dodgy cracks' or bad little keygens with Nero. Nero doesn't have to be pirated.
Anyone can download and use the Nero 6 Free Trial for a 30 day period. The trial expires, but there is no limit on the number of times the trial can be used. A person only needs to download the program again to use it more. Seems Ahead is sure enough of their program, they make it available and then leave it up to people to buy it, millions have. Shrink is free, and Nero can be used for free, so insinuations of piracy are not necessary or part of any problems with Nero (or shouldn't be if we have any pirates reading this). Don't guess anybody needs to tell you now.

Steve, I'm sorry to see you and ascii disagree so much over the SP2 'plug' for the XP operating system. ascii and others have claimed to have problems with this service pack, so I believe them when they say there is a problem. Are you saying they don't know what they're doing? As an IT expert, you should know that not all systems behave the same; especially ones that are loaded with 3rd party software.

Me, I'm looking at statements from both sides. There is one group saying they have no problems and another saying their systems messed up following the installation of the new service pack. I believe both sides. I agree with ascii on this one; the SP2 is not the complete fix for XP and it may be a while before all the compatibility problems are worked out. Afterall, the previous Operating Systems have supposedly been an improvement over their predecessors. SP1 was hailed as a panacea, now SP2 is the same. If they don't get the new OS on the market soon, there will be a SP3 for XP.

If SP2 for XP was the ultimate stable platform, what would be the need for a new OS? (rhetorical question) In the end, my opinion hasn't been swayed. I like my XP Pro, but I like it with the 3rd party software support and security that I put together. Until I see something better, I'm sticking with what I have.

It's a free world and nobody should jump on anyone for going either way or try to flame them or call them dumb. aascii, several others, and I think it would be a good idea to wait. Steve says SP2 is the most stable patch for XP yet (same OS, another plug). Just from that you can see, there is still a lot of confusion over compatibility issues.

Most people wondering onto this thread have had the SP2 problems or came to see if they can help. Me, I gave my opinion and tried to help with as much info as I could put in on Nero 6 and Shrink. As I have no direct knowledge of the SP2, I'm afraid I can be of no further help. Steve on the other hand is an IT expert with some experience and obviously has the SP2 situation under control. I hope Ashington stays and answers the questions and helps those having problems with SP2 compatibility. It will be nice having someone knowledgable helping out.

Welcome to the thread Steve and I hope you see fit to stay and help out. We need someone who can help out and get the members with problems going. I'm sure they would like to get in on that stability you love so much. BTW, nice post you did and very informative. LOL

Me I'll leave things in your capable hands as I only have my 3rd party software. Guess it's time to move on as I don't have the SP2... LOL

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Its got to be horses for courses with sp2 me thinks, as has been rightly said it is up to the individual. I have installed sp2 on a number of comps including my own without a hint of a problem. All my dvd programs work flawlessly, as does nero 6. Then lo and behold i installed it on another comp with the same software as mine and it threw a wobbler at me. Full format required (my fault for not backing up)Just goes to show, you got it right brobear not all systems behave the same, and i for one will be wary of installing sp2 again. I will definitely back up next time, from what i have read sp2 suffers from the same exploits that sp1 had and there is no fix as of yet.

Burn rubber that doesn't mean warp speed

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Yer gotta go with the Bro Bear on this one!

Just reflect; copies of Longhorn..OMG.. were being sold less than 10months ago..........in Hong Kong fer less than 97 hong kong units. of a dollar or a pound never mind a punt....mick

El gringle..
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Doofy,
Thanks for the input.

@Ashington
I'm going a bit off subject here, but it pertains to the XP OS. Not everyday I catch someone with your expertise to ask a question? Then I'll get out of here and leave this SP2 thread alone.

On occasion, when I install a new program, the system 32 folder will open up automatically when the system boots up. Normally, I can use System Restore, to return to the preinstallation settings and the boot opens and stays on the Desktop an usual. Then I can install the program and it works without the system 32 folder opening automatically at boot. This just happened while installing the program DVD43, a decrypting driver. Either I did something or the gremlin in the System Restore got me; the restore doesn't fix the problem this time. To make a long story short, I had been installing several small programs with some involved configurations and tweaks. Those programs hadn't been backed up with Ghost yet (yes, I have it to). Anyway, I don't want to do the tedious work of setting up those programs again, and Restore System was off.

Do you know what causes the System 32 folder to open when the PC boots up and what do you do to stop it?

I couldn't find the solution in the Microsoft database, or with it being so large, I possibly overlooked it. Not everyday I catch someone to ask these questions. This was an XP OS question, though not directly related to SP2.

'Brobear'





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Dunno if these are any good to you bro but what the heck

http://forum.pcstats.com/archive/index.php/t-25620.html

http://forums.invisionpower.com/lofiversion/index.php/t121815.html

if they don't help then sorry m8



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Thanks Doofy, I appreciate the assistance. I still have some things to learn myself. I'll check it out if Steve doesn't have a good solution to the problem.

Then again, I'll take a look while I'm waiting. Thanks Doofy.

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For those who are interested Michigan has it right, Shrink 3.2 was made to work with Nero 6X.

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To those that are having problems after installing SP2

Microsoft provides 4 different ways to remove the SP2 pack at this URL :-
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;875350&Product=winxp


As for our experience with that service pack ; SP2 was installed on quite a few different computers in an industrial/commercial environment and after over 6 weeks of daily use by different operators , none so far had any problems whatsoever.

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I've heard both pros and cons on it and my advice would be, if you have lots of software installed that could result in a conflict, you might want to reconsider until its been around for bit. The best situation is probably to update on a clean install.:)

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Agreed Sophocles -- !

Our experiences with SP2 is in a very controlled environment ~~ Smiles.

To the average personal user , this environment can be very different.

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You hit that one square on the peg.
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To the average personal user , this environment can be very different.
Though when you say average, you are referring to a group with a staggering variety of software and hardware. The variety runs the gamut ot the software and hardware market. Usually, if somebody made it, somebody has it.

Life would be more simple if computers were "in a very controlled environment". However we personal users want to add our own touches (3rd party software and hardware) to an already varied market of PCs and then try to make them serve our purposes. Not always a good mix, but that's the spice of personal computing. Therein lies a lot of the compatibility problems.

Problems keep the guys in R&D on their toes constantly. Gives the IT Engineers and techs a job to earn a living as well. If it was real easy, everyone would take care of their own problems and repairs; no need for support or forums.

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Hear Yea !! Brobear !

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Keeps the guys in R&D on their toes constantly.
I would be out a job !!if that was'nt so !! Gruntz!

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Brobear you could try this, open up regedit and look at

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

see if there is any odd characters, especially say ["]
any incorrect funny looking or null entries delete them.

check also to see if there are an of these to go along with the hkey current string above

Value: ActiveMovie File Extensions
Value Type: REG_SZ
Value Data: ActMovie.exe /Check

It is more than likely this, as one of your start up items is no longer there, and windoze doesnt, realize this from registry.
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If you want brobear to play with his registry don't you think that you should give him the URL where you got the information from? You forgot to copy the warnings. You got your info from CNET, but I thought I'd include Microsoft's as well




http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;170086&Product=win2000

http://reviews.cnet.com/5208-6130-0.html?forumID=7&threadID=27873&messageID=356720

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Sophocles, you can't imagine how long I looked for those links and couldn't find them. They're going in a Document file now.

Thanks ascii, the sites Doofy provided agree with your assessment of it being a registry problem.

Also, the previous System Restore repairs indicate the same. However, without going into and knowing what the registry looked like before, it's sort of like looking for a needle in a hay stack. I know that I need to be checking in the registry editor at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Also, that I need to be checking things referring to the system 32 folder, lots of them. The problem is that there are a lot of drivers in the System 32 folder and if one isn't careful they will be going to a full reformat without a choice. I was wondering if anyone had run across a general problem with a fix as this has happened with more than one program installation. I was just lucky with an easy SR fix in the past or had things backed up to where it wouldn't be a problem to restore the drive.

Thanks again. It's sort of annoying, but all I have to do is close the window. It doesn't affect the PC operation. One day when I have more time, I'll try tracking down the source of the problem. Guess there may be no easy fix.

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And here is the url for the information i posted http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/3/102834#562647
saying as i have had to fix this on loads of computers, and yes i learned this, then looked at info about it. i already had this info in a txt doc i made some time ago, if its any business of yours.

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