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Is DVD burning supposed to be near impossible?
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30. January 2005 @ 13:01 |
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Guys I have to ditto tsquare43's comments. I haven't even started to burn yet but I'm glad I found this forum before I did. I found this forum while using online registration for DVDXCopy which I purchased before 321studios went out of business, and I have the latest upgrade to 4.0.8.3 Since I also have Nero 6 Ultra Edition I've been reading this thread all in one sitting. I've learned alot from all you guys, and will continue to read this thread with interest. I haven't made my first burn to DVD+RW yet but when I do I'll post my results. Thanks for all the information, Mike
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ScubaPete
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30. January 2005 @ 15:52 |
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tallguy53,
Hey Mike,welcome to aD,
As I told Jay in my last post, give those guides a try.
There are guides for DVDD, DVD Shrink and my latest guide for Nero's Recode2, Just check my sig
Cheers,
Pete
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31. January 2005 @ 07:36 |
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Pete, thanks for the welcome. You can bet that I'll be reading those guides you mention, as well as continuing to follow this thread. There's several threads involving Nero burning, but this one seems to have the "experts" online so I'll stick with the winners. Maybe at some point I'll even know a little something to contribute! Thanks again, Mike
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EMTJay
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31. January 2005 @ 12:08 |
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Let me start off by saying Hello and Welcome to Mike...from one newbie to another.
Anyway, I did what Craig suggested and it went flawlessly!! It would seem preliminarily like there is a problem when I first Decrypt/rip with DVDD then use Nero 6 to encode form DVD9 to DVD5. When I followed Craig's suggestion to rip with DVDShrink then use Nero Recode to encode/burn I had no problems. Of course this was only with 2 different DVDs. I have quite a few on my "to be backed up" list.
Admittedly I skipped the recoding from DVD9 to DVD5 to the hard drive and went straight to the DVD+RW. At this point I wanted to verify that it wasn't a media issue which was giving me problems before so I burned to a Ritek G05 DVD-R and again...flawless.
Am I ever going to get to a point where I can just use DVDD and Nero Recode?
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ccampbell
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31. January 2005 @ 12:58 |
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Hi EMTJay,
You should be able to get there. We just need to find where exactly the problem or problems lie.
Now that we know Nero Recode is working, we need to see if there is an issue with Nero Burning ROM or Nero Express.
And since you have DVD+RW media, we can be more adventurous in our testing. :-)
Lets see if Nero and Shrink are working properly together.
Use the Guides provided by ScubaPete and BigOrange, and set up Shrink to call on Nero after a DVD has been RIPPed to your Hard drive.
You should not need to use Nero Recode for this process. I know this failed before, but I want to do this one more time just to make sure if it's still failing.
Regards
Craig
Nero Inc
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EMTJay
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31. January 2005 @ 13:13 |
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Hi Craig,
Don't know that I have ever tried to have DVDShrink call up Nero. I'll have to try that technique and see what happens. I'll let you know!
Jay
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31. January 2005 @ 13:27 |
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Jay,
Again, see my sig for a good DVD Shrink - Nero guide and also a good Nero Recode2 guide for when you wish to edit your DVD and get the very best quality possible quality with complete working menus. Ya gotta love menus :P)
See my sig -
Pete
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31. January 2005 @ 15:36 |
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Since I posted my shrink guide on page 2, I'll go ahead and post my Recode guide here. Between Pete's and mine you shouldn't have any questions.
I'm going to give you one of the easiest method of burning there is. If you have Nero Ultra 6, you are going to use Recode 2. All you need is an "on the fly" ripper like dvd43, anydvd, or dvd region free.
Any of these will run in the background and enable you to go into recode directly without using any other program. You install 1 of these, dvd43 is free(v1.4 and v. 3.0), anydvd and dvdregion free costs 39.00 but they have a 20-30 day free trial.
I would try anydvd, but the choice is up to you. AnyDvd is constantly being updated with new bypass encryption methods. DVD43 is not free if you use the standalone version(v2.0), so to get the free one you have to install patin couffin along with v1.4,with 3.0, it's already included. I would just use the 21 day anydvd trial.
Once installed there is nothing to do with these programs, they do their work without you ever knowing they are there.I promise you this will work. I'm going to give you step by step instructions. You can also rip with DVDDecrypter to your hard drive and then use those files, if you don't wish to use any of the aforementioned...
Also, as with any app make sure you get good media, this is extremely important! You can get Ritek G04 4x or G05 8x -R or get Ritek Ridata 4x +R here, for under .50 each and w/ free shipping. Make sure they are "branded" and never burn at over 4x!
http://www.meritline.com/ritek-dvd-blank-media.html
First off create a folder for your temporary files and put it where you can find it.
1-open Nero
2-open recode
3-click on recode entire dvd to dvd.
4-click on DVD-video files, then click on import dvd, when window pops up browse to your drive with the movie title, or your ripped files from Decrypter.
5- wait 1-2 min. for nero to analyze
6-you will now have a screen divided up into 3 categories, menu,main movie,extras,sometimes there might be a 4th called unreferenced material.
7-if you wish to edit/re-author, that is take anything out to reduce compression to improve pic quality, here is where you do it, click on extras, then click on the + mark. Leave menu and main movie alone,(I repeat, leave these 2 ALONE)
7a- The one exception to leaving the movie alone is if there are 2 versions, full and widescreen. I would then disable the one of your choice and leave the other one alone.
8-click on each title in extras and preview it with your slider in the preview window, you can then disable each one upon which nero will ask you to substitute a still image, say yes. Or you can raise compression on each title thereby lowering compression on the movie, if you want to keep that special feature. You can eliminate all extras by disabling them all at once and not hitting the + mark, same goes for compression, you can raise compression on all extras at once, thus raising quality of movie by lowering it's compression.
8a-when you are done click next, and choose a temporary destination folder for nero to work out of. (you should've already created this before you started)
9-check advanced analysis AND burn at once AND high quality mode,especially for large amounts of compression. I always use high quality mode for compression amts. of over 10%, the choice is up to you.
10-choose your burner as it's destination, then choose your write speed and no. of copies.
11-click burn and wait, depending on what quality settings you used. Have a drink or two, do NOT do anything else on your PC, I mean NOTHING!
12-please play your movie and enjoy.
This method is called on the fly, it goes directly from your dvd-rom drive to the disc you are burning on, it is the most simple means for burning you can get, recode does an excellent job, btw, and you're only opening one program.
If you like to rip to your HD first, then rip with DVDDecrypter in file mode and then choose (browse to) those files in Recode.
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rodeh7
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31. January 2005 @ 15:39 |
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OK so DVDXCopy is now useless. I can't backup The Forgotten or Resident Evil 2. I read all the posts and tried AnyDVD and DVDshrink. All are fine except that you need Nero to burn which apparently you have to pay for now. I guess they saw an opportunity to exploit users of DVDXCopy and pulled their demo copy. Is there any burn engine out there I can try first before kicking out the $ ?
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31. January 2005 @ 15:56 |
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If you'll look at the Shrink guide on page 2, it tells you exactly how to automatically burn with decrypter using shrink. You don't even have to open it. Decrypter is free.
GO VOLS !
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EMTJay
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31. January 2005 @ 16:07 |
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Ok...it looks like I have a couple different options to experiment with.
Craig and Pete suggest that I have DVDShrink just pull up Nero automatically, and BigOrange suggests that I use an on-the-fly ripper. I was looking into getting AnyDVD so until then I will try the aforementioned suggestion and see what that will tell me.
Maybe we'll eventually be able to isolate which program is giving me the problems.
BigOrange I don't know if that last comment was for me or for rodeh7, but I can use the combination of DVDD and DVDShrink with no problem.
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31. January 2005 @ 16:50 |
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I thought I read that the person who created DVD Shrink is now working for Nero and from what I just read it sounds like Nero Recode and DVD Shrink are almost the same thing. Is this correct?
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31. January 2005 @ 17:31 |
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ScubaBud
As far as I know, rumor has it you are correct. And yes, shrink and recode are extremely similar. The only major difference is shrink rips and can't burn and recode burns, but can't rip.
EMTJay,
I also recommend for nero to be automatically used by shrink. But you can also let shrink automatically burn with decrypter too, in case you don't have nero.
As far as using anydvd, i was suggesting it with recode, but it will also abet shrink in certain situations. I was just saying recode with anydvd is about as easy as it gets. But you can rip with decrypter to your HDD and then use those files in recode also.
If you look at my shrink guide on page 2, it states exactly how to automatically burn with nero OR decrypter. I prefer burning with Nero, but I'm partial to Nero for lots of reasons,LOL..
For the moment, do as Craig suggests, there is rhyme to his reason. He is narrowing the problem down by the process of elimination.
BTW, the previous post was for rodeh7 :>)
GO VOLS !
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31. January 2005 @ 17:43 |
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All are fine except that you need Nero to burn which apparently you have to pay for now. I guess they saw an opportunity to exploit users of DVDXCopy and pulled their demo copy.
???????? I just checked and there is still a free trial of Nero ultra 6 being offered at the Nero homepage.
GO VOLS !
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Brax
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31. January 2005 @ 20:07 |
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Hello from a Newby-dooby do;
I purchased 321's DVDXCOPY before the big bust and operating under the simple copy format (or whatever it's called) I've been 99.99% pleased. It's that random "Dukes of Hazard" season one, disc one, or the Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes television series, and most recently "Forgotten" that bit the dust.
But by following the wonderful guides you AD-dicts have posted for using DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink, the Holmes discs were backed up very nice. (Though during the DVD Shrink process a failure to "lock" error came up each time, and I just punched the "ignore" button and things seem to work just fine.)
My question, and pardon moi if this is the wrong forum and let me preface it by re-stating the fact that I have had few problems with DVDXCOPY copying discs with plenty of content and features (i.e. perhaps a 2:10 movie plus 2 or 3 30-minute featurettes on it) onto a 4.7 gig DVD-R, or +R. Soooo, is their a way that DVD Decrypter can be used to unlock those nasties that DVDXCOPY won't, and then to utilize just the burn features of DVDXCOPY?
Or, is it as simple as just use DVD decryter and DVD Shrink ALL of the time?
Being new to using both of these programs, have some of you more experienced users found problems with backing up specific DVDs using the aforementioned two?
And while I'm at it, did anyone find the way to back up "Forgotten?"
Thanks all,
Brax
"I think I think, therefore I yam what I yam..."
Popeye the Sailor Man commenting on his College of the Redwoods Philosophy 101 night class.
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ScubaBud
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1. February 2005 @ 02:10 |
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Or, is it as simple as just use DVD decryter and DVD Shrink ALL of the time?
Once you use DVD Shrink or the combination when you run across a Sony DVD, etc. why go back. It's a snap as you said. Also look at getting AnyDVD which runs in the background all the time so you can use just DVD Shrink.
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From BigOrange; I was just saying recode with anydvd is about as easy as it gets. But you can rip with decrypter to your HDD and then use those files in recode also.
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1. February 2005 @ 03:44 |
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Brax,
there are new ways of preventing DVD backup being developed and used all the time, for instance the new ArCCos by Sony, hard copy read errors(bad sector), structural copy protection, then you have the ongoing RCE protection as well as CSS protection, and many others..
I have found that AnyDVD is constantly being updated to deal with ALL of these copy protections, and I keep it running in the background at all times.
Now, that being said, DVD Decrypter is also being updated to deal with a lot of these copy protections. Add that to the fact there are several steps you can take in settings to make Decrypter more aggressive in it's ripping capabilities and between the two I haven't found a movie yet I couldn't back up.
In fact, I run AnyDVD while rippping with Decrypter. There's no rule that says you have to use one or the other, they can be used together. That also goes for Shrink. Running AnyDVD while ripping with Shrink improves Shrink's ripping capabilities threefold. Don't forget, shrink can also use decrypter rips too.
Sooo, in answer to your question, yes, there is a way you can use X Copy on all those nasties. Here's a good place to get a couple of update packs for your X Copy including browser function(to use those Decrypter rips), ripping function, and removal of those nag screens and Dvd backup warnings:
http://cgi.tripod.com/321ripforum/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl
Oh yeah, and BTW, I did the "Forgotten" with no problems whatsoever, good luck! :>)
GO VOLS !
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sdxtcdrm
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1. February 2005 @ 10:06 |
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I recently began backing up DVDs a couple of days ago using CloneDVD2. I was happy with how simple the program was to use and how fast it made backup copies. But I ran into problems with Van Helsing and Terminal. What program would be recommended to work with cloneDVD2? Or should i just use DVDD and Shrink?
Thanks,
Josh
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1. February 2005 @ 11:07 |
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OOPS!
GO VOLS !
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1. February 2005 @ 11:08 |
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You can use AnyDVD with it, if ripping with Decrypter doesn't work. I like Shrink better because of it's versatility, and it's free also. Any Dvd has a 21 day free trial.
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ScubaPete
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1. February 2005 @ 15:05 |
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I read all the posts and tried AnyDVD and DVDshrink. All are fine except that you need Nero to burn which apparently you have to pay for now
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No, not right, it is quite apparent that you haven't read all the posts, not even close OR you would have seen that many, many, many pple use DVDD to burn AND reading just a little further you would discover that it is FREE.
(All the posts my foot . . . .)
rodeh7,
Are you just world class stupid OR are you trying to stir up trouble by posting the exact same idiot drivel all over the place ? I decided to post the same answer to your same question hoping that repetition would help the message soak in -
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/3/147969#801775
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/149212
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3. February 2005 @ 10:01 |
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Brax, like you I purchased DVDXCopy before "they" busted the company. I was also able to get it updated to version 4.0.8.3 Brax what version do you have or are you updated to?
Before I continue let me give you some long-winded information about the equipment I'm working with. My primary player to watch DVD's on television is a Panasonic DMR-HS2 which I believe was the first commercial recorder that came out with a built in hard-drive. The DRM-HS2 has a built-in 40G hard-drive used for recording TV shows then I can edit out commercials before burning the final to DVD-R. The Panasonic DMR-HS2 will burn and play DVD-R and DVD-RAM so my final backup product needs to be burned to DVD-R.
My PC has an AMD Athlon 2.8 chip, 1G DDR RAM, 2 hard-drives both formated NTFS, C=40G, D=120G, Sony DRU-710A dual format, double layer burner. I have plenty of DVD-R single layer disks to burn to and DVD+RW disks to experiment on. Since the Panasonic DMR-HS2 plays only DVD-R single layer disks I should have purchased DVD-RW disks but when I purchased the DVD+RW's I didn't have the Sony burner, I had a external burner that could use DVD-+R/-+RW, and had been told that DVD+R was a faster or better type of format.
Since I'm still experimenting I assume it doesn't matter which type of RW disk I use? I live in Columbus, Ohio where were have CompUSA stores, DVD-RW's are readily available from there if you think I should use them instead of the DVD+RW's I already have. All the blank DVD disks I have are either Fuji, Maxell, Memorex or Imation. I don't think any of them have any silver or gold coating on them like some of the Ridata disks you keep linking too, but they are good branded names. Are those alright to use?
I have plenty of disk space on my second hard drive and should probably burn to my HD then burn the final to DVD-R to be played on the Panasonic DMR-HS2? It's my understanding that the DVD-R format is also what commercial DVD's use, and newer stand-alone players are able to use the DVD-R format also.
Now to the subject of my post. Because of all the new encryption methods being created, it appears that the software I should be using is AnyDVD, DVD Decrypter and Nero 6 Ultra Edition which includes Recode 2? Am I on the right track? I'm getting confused because it seems there are several programs and different methods being discussed.
Since I'm sitting here with nothing to do but create coasters, I'm going to use The Day After Tomorrow movie along with the guides you guys have so graciously provided and give it a shot. I'll post my results.
What I want to know is one "foolproof" way, using what "foolproof" software that works all the time with any movie, to make my back-ups.
Thanks guys, Mike
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3. February 2005 @ 13:00 |
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What I want to know is one "foolproof" way, using what "foolproof" software that works all the time with any movie, to make my back-ups.
I don't think there is one, I use different apps for different situations. The most popular programs are probably Shrink(free), Recode(comes in a wonderful suite of audio and video apps called Nero Ultra 6 which also contains the Nero burn engine), AnyDvd, and Decrypter(free). That said, let me explain a few thing about DVD backup with these 4 apps.
Basics of DVD backup:
There are 4 things you do to backup a DVD. Rip, edit/re-author, compress, burn. This is what each app will do:
1-shrink rips, edits/re-authors, and compresses.
2-decrypter rips and burns,
3-Nero Recode will edit/re-author, compress, and burn.
4-AnyDvd-rips, runs in the background, nothing to operate.
You only need a combo of 2 apps to do the work.
There are various combinations,
you could get shrink to rip, edit, compress and decrypter to burn or Nero to burn.
or you could get decrypter to rip and nero Recode to edit, compress, and burn.
or you could just run AnyDvd, open Recode to edit, compress, and burn.
Only a combo of two is needed. there is no need to use three apps, unless shrink can't rip the file, then go to decrypter because it's a better ripper or run AnyDvd in the background to assist..
Use decrypter to rip in file mode in all the above cases(except AnyDvd/Recode). The only time you need decrypter in ISO mode is if you use it to burn with shrink because it can only burn ISO files. Even then you still rip with it in file mode because shrink will convert to ISO for decrypter to burn automatically.
Is this starting to make sense now?
Probably the easiest method is to run AnyDvd and just use Recode. You only open and operate one app from start to finish. I run AnyDvd to come on at startup, it doesn't use much CPU and it automatically does it's job whenever you insert a DVD in your DVD-ROM.
BTW, I have posted both a shrink and recode guide here in this very thread. :>)
GO VOLS !
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3. February 2005 @ 14:37 |
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bigorange, thank you very much for your simplified version of the information running in the thread. I've already copied the 2 guides you refer to and will be trying them to make my backups. I almost got to start after I posted but decided to stop and read email first. Glad I did!
I would like more clarification on what you guys mean by using good media. Do you think that the Fuji, Memorex, Maxell, Imation media that I'm using are up to specs? You guys talk about gold and silver coated media, which is on the web site link you post so much. Is media with that coating really needed or will the brands that I mention serve the purpose?
I truly appreciate how you put what appears to be a difficult, time consuming and multi-step process into such a simple way that even I can understand it.
Once again I thank you, tallguy53, Mike
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3. February 2005 @ 15:42 |
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Mike, no problemo :>)
As far as media, I gave a link in the Recode and Shrink guide for Ritek Ridata 4x +R and Ritek G04(4x) or G05(8x)-R. These are very good dependable media for under .50 each with free shipping. Always buy branded media if possible. I also am big on Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden, but they are a little more expensive(up to 1.00 each and higher)
Stay away from Memorex! Period! Way to iffy and inconsistant. Stay away from anything made by CMC. I don't care for Imation either. Fuji is OK and Maxell can be OK. But like I said if you use good quality media, then if there is a problem media is eliminated as a possibility when diagnosing. Not to mention crappy media may even work now then a year down the road you go to play it and WHAM! it won't.
It wouldn't hurt to download and install either DVD Identifier or Dvdinfopro and check your media manufacturer out. Infopro has lots of other uses too. Both have free versions which is all you need.
Let me know how it goes :>)
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