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Needing help with TMPGenc and Virtualdub
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Dr.Who
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9. March 2005 @ 17:39 |
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Ok, Im at home but Im confused....
It seems that since Ive disabled the wizard, its set to PAL. I want to obviously set it to NTSC, but it seems the only way I can change it, is by bringing up the project wizard, which Ive noticed resets my convert to audio/video instead of how I originally wanted it, ES (Video Only)
and when you say "Front page" what do you mean? Im guessing you mean on the video tab of that page you pasted up above in the forum??
Also, when I bring up the project window to choose NTSC, on the far right it gives me some choices, like CBR Liniar PCM Audio, CBR MPEG-1 Layer II Audio (MP2)
Which one do I choose??
How do you pick your format you want (PAL or NTSC) without bring up the project wizard?? Everytime I do it through the project wizard, when I get to the final page, it ALWAYS gives me an error saying the file is too big to conver or some shit.
When you think you are at the end of your rope, just tie a knot and hang on...
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Dr.Who
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9. March 2005 @ 17:43 |
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Also, Ive noticed that when I bring up the project wizard and open the AVI file, the aspect ratio says, VGA 1.1, but then when I go to the next screen that has the filter settings selections, down below Ill click on OTHER SETTINGS which brings up that window you pasted up earlier, but I notice the aspect ratio changes from VGA 1.1 to 4.3. Even if I change it to VGA 1.1 and save it, if I go back a screen and go back TO the screen, it changes it back to 4.3 Display, no matter what.
*shrugs*
When you think you are at the end of your rope, just tie a knot and hang on...
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Dr.Who
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9. March 2005 @ 17:50 |
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Well, however you figure this out, I cant use the project wizard at all. It tells me everytime at the end that the file is too large and wont continue with the convert, with these settings you gave me, and EVERY time I open it up, it defaults to System (Video+Audio) under stream type. Wont stay on ES (Video Only) that I set it too.
When you think you are at the end of your rope, just tie a knot and hang on...
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Dr.Who
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9. March 2005 @ 18:14 |
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Ok, I restarted one last time.
I opened up project wizard, chose NTSC. Closed it out.
Chose ES (Video Only) under stream type (this is in the screen that shows a black theater box above and a progress bar)
I click on browse to load up the AVI file. I pick it, it load.
Output, I click on browse, I point it to where I want to save it......
I click on settings tab, and this is what it BEFORE I change anything.....
UNDER VIDEO TAB
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Stream Type: MPEG-1 Video
Size: 640x272
Aspect Ratio: 1.1 (VGA)
Frame Rate: 23.976 fps
Rate Control Mode: Constant bitrate (CBR)
Bitrate: 1150
Profile and Level: Main Profile & Main Level (MP@ML)
Video Format: NTSC
Encode Mode: Non-Interface
the others Im sure are not important.....
Ok next, I click on settings next to Rate Control Mode as you told me to click on and change the bitrate to 5666. So I did that.
Next you told me to click on the advanced tab and set Source Aspect Ratio to 4:3 525line NTSC. I did do that, and it changes when I click OK.
Next you said under Video Arrange Method, you said to choose Keep Aspect 2. I picked it.
NOW, on the audio tab, you told me to change a few things. I dont see NO audio tab and I did click on LOAD and loaded that unlock.mcf file. STILL no audio tab. The only time it appears is if I bring up that stupid project wizard screen, but if I do I defaults it right back to STREAM TYPE: System (Audio+Video)
I clicked ok to close out the settings window.
Above, I clicked on START and it converts it over to M2V
But I can tell you again. It will give me that SAME error again saying
THE VIDEO RESOLUTION 640X272 CANNOT BE USED FOR A STANDARD DVD
Ill try this a 5th time and see what happens, but Im willing to put 1,000 bucks down that its going to give me the same #@$@##@ error again.
When you think you are at the end of your rope, just tie a knot and hang on...
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9. March 2005 @ 18:38 |
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You've not changed the settings correctly.
I don't want that stupid wizard.
I told you how to get it to do NTSC.
Click LOAD.
Browse to the TMPGEnc folder, then to it's template folder then to it's extras folder, and click on UNLOCK.MCF
NOW change everything on the settings screen and the advanced screen as we've discussed.
THEN hit Start.
You DO NOT want mpeg-1 video. You must have mpeg-2.
You DO NOT want 640x272. It MUST be 720x480.
You DO NOT want CBR.
You DO NOT want 1150kbps.
You DO NOT want Encode mode Non-interlaced. You MUST have 3:2 pulldown selected.
On the advanced tab, set source aspect to 1:1 VGA (this is different than I said before, but it will work better). Keep aspect ratio 2.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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9. March 2005 @ 20:18 |
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LOL...
Ok, this is a lot of different changes than what you wanted me to do before, but ok. Now that I changed it from MPEG-1 to 2, Ive noticed that I have more options to choose.
By the way, the unlock file from the load tab, is already loaded. I still dont have the audio tab though, but oh well.
Ok, I did all this and I noticed its converting slower now. Maybe thats a sign. Well, now we wait and see what happens.
*crosses fingers*
You said not to keep the default bitrate, so I changed it to 5666kbps as you suggested earlier.
Well, going to let this run while I catch some zzzzzz's......
Well see what happens in the morning.
When you think you are at the end of your rope, just tie a knot and hang on...
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Dr.Who
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10. March 2005 @ 04:34 |
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Boy, these errors just keep getting better and better....
Well the good news is, its not the same error... LOL AHHAHAHA
Error: (when clicking on add file in DVD author)
THE VIDEO SEQUENCE HEADER IS NECESSARY FOR EVER GOP IN A STANDARD DVD
THE VIDEO GOP IS TOO LONG
max 36 fields (18 frames) (NTSC format only)
Well......think of it this way. Least Im not getting that video size error anymore. Now I got a GOP error! LOL ROFL. Whatever GOP stands for.
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Now when I open up DVD Author, I click on ADD FILE, right? Not Add DVD video, correct?
When you think you are at the end of your rope, just tie a knot and hang on...
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10. March 2005 @ 06:15 |
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Yes, you click on ADD File.
The GOP stands for GROUP OF PICTURES.
For NTSC DVD it must be (usually) within a given range, usually either 15 frames, or 18 frames.
In TMPGEnc, click Settings, then click the GOP structure tab.
The 5th window down, says "MAX number of frames in a GOP". Set that to 18.
Make sure that there's something in the Audio Source box. If it doesn't load automatically, browse for the source AVI, or the extracted .wav
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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10. March 2005 @ 07:17 |
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yah, its always that little bit of somethin that will still cause them errors to pop up....
(sighs) Aight, round 6... tonight...
When you think you are at the end of your rope, just tie a knot and hang on...
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Dr.Who
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11. March 2005 @ 11:36 |
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Forgot to ask you, too.....
What do I do with the GOP header? I got ONE error regarding the GOP header. I forgot what exactly it said but mentioned that their needed to be a header for standard, blah blah blah.. It was only ONE error, so I feel this is finally it.
Now, in regards to the audio tab. You mentioned if the audio tab isnt visible under the settings,
Make sure that there's something in the Audio Source box. If it doesn't load automatically, browse for the source AVI, or the extracted .wav
How do you "browse" for the source AVI if its already loaded? when you mention browsing for the extracted .wav, do I load that BEFORE loading the video file, you think?
Also, since Im ONLY converting the video AVI and not the audio in TMPGEnc, why do I need an audio tab? Is that really necessary?
When you think you are at the end of your rope, just tie a knot and hang on...
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11. March 2005 @ 12:15 |
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Nope, not necessary. Leave audio blank if you're going to work with it all later when authoring.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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11. March 2005 @ 12:45 |
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What about the GOP header?
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11. March 2005 @ 13:34 |
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Tmpgenc sould take care of that.
Check the GOP settings tab.
There should be 1 I, 5 P, 2 B.
Output interval... 1 GOP.
MAX number...18
Put a tick mark in BOTH:
Output bitstream for edit (closed GOP) and Detect Scene change, or simply hit the "Standard" button at the bottom.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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14. March 2005 @ 07:53 |
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Ok, NO ERROR this time. Awesome.
But I noticed after I added the video and the mc3 audio file I created....
....when I went to start the convert over to dvd, it gave me a message stating the video was TOO LONG.
I choose ignore message and went forward in processing the convert, but if this is normal, how do I SHRINK the video and audio once its converted over to DVD?
I dont think I can use DVDShrink, so did I do somethin wrong again?
Was I supposed to shrink the size of the AVI file before I converted it to mp2, somehow?
When you think you are at the end of your rope, just tie a knot and hang on...
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14. March 2005 @ 08:21 |
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No, you don't shrink the AVI.
Tmpgenc has bitrate settings.
What program told you it was too long?
If that is TMPGEnc (the encoder) 2.5 Plus, then just put the bitrate down a bit. Use the bitrate calculator I gave the link to.
From the input you gave me, I said to use 5666kbps.
This is based on also using 224kbps audio.
If TMPGEnc says that that it's too long, then either the audio is more than 224kbps, or the video is longer than you said (running time).
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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14. March 2005 @ 08:28 |
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It was DVD author that gave me the message, after I added the video and audio files to it.
Nah, the running time is just as I mentioned before earlier, but perhaps I need to lower the bitrate from 5666.
Ill look at it again tonight and give you the size of the audio and how long it is in length as well.
When you think you are at the end of your rope, just tie a knot and hang on...
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14. March 2005 @ 09:30 |
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From before, you gave me the running time, that's how I got 5666. If TDA say's it's too big, you can either re-encode at a lower bitrate, or use DVDShrink on the output from TDA.
I have a feeling it's the audio. If it's over 224kbps, then the file will be too large.
It's easier to resample the audio down, than it is to re-encode the whole video.
Load it (the audio) into ffmpeggui, and resample it to 224kbps (if it isn't already), then it should fit into TDA. You could even go as low as 128kbps.
If the audio is already 224kbps, then the easiest would be to use Shrink on TDA's finished output.
Your other option, is to re-encode the whole thing again, to a lower bitrate.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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14. March 2005 @ 17:03 |
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Well the audio mc3 file is 35.5mbs long. *shrugs*
The AVI file again is 01:43:27 (148,816 fr) runtime
800 kb/s bitrate....
.......BUT!!....... I got some good news and some bad news....
This is weird. Even though I got a message saying the movie was too large when I pressed start in DVD Author, the size was like GEEZ..4438mbs long and was all in red.
Well, I clicked on DVD Writing Tool and to my surprise the file is actually only 1.1gbs long.
I wrote it to a dvd blank and it works. It plays in my dvd player, BUT it wont play in my panasonic portable dvd player, which is what I really wanted it to play on.
If I burn a regular DVD using DVD Shrink and Nero, it WONT play on my home dvd player, but it will play in my portable dvd.
The picture is better, audio is crisp and clean, but it still blotches from time to time, but not as much as it did before.
Strange...... I wonder why its playing in oposite dvd players? Im going to try again tonight and re-write the dvd, using only Nero DVD rom and see what happens. Maybe Nero has a different style of finalysing the dvd. Idk.
What you think, Jim?
When you think you are at the end of your rope, just tie a knot and hang on...
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14. March 2005 @ 17:40 |
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If it was all in red before, and turns out only 1.1gig, then TDA is simply reading the file wrong.
You keep saying "mc3" audio, do you mean mp2, mp3, or AC3?
Definitely burn with Nero. Choose the DVD VIDEO template, drag the VIDEO_TS folder from right to left, and burn.
TDA's writer is a VERY basic aspi burning thing, and doesn't always work well.
Are you burning to +R, -R, or +-RW?
Check the specs on both players. It's possible one plays +R and the other -R, but not both...or one can play RW, the other may not...too many options ;)
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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14. March 2005 @ 19:07 |
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oops, AC3. my mind is backwards today.
ok, sounds good. Ill try that. I also notice that in my results when the burning is set on max burning speed, I tend to get blocks and blotchiness in the video on playback. Ill use Nero this time and set it down to x4 and see what happens.
I think we finally figured out this hell of a project. Thanks a bunch. Wish I could get you a beer or somethin lol
Now with my other movies, Im sure they will be different in some form or another. Either formatted as a AVI, or mpeg file.
Do you suggest I set all my future movies, the same way whether the original file is AVI or mpeg?
When you think you are at the end of your rope, just tie a knot and hang on...
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Dr.Who
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14. March 2005 @ 19:24 |
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Well guess what. before jumping up and down and celebrating with a nice cold one......
I redid the burning process in Nero Burning Rom with EXCELLENT results.
No error, no more blotchiness, and a good video and audio result. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!
I am going to enjoy watching this for sure, among now 400+ movies Ive got to backup from my harddrive now lol
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU again!
I still do need to know what you think I should do about my other movies I need to backup. Some of them are also avi, but some are mpeg. Not sure if mpeg1 or 2. I suppose I can use Gspot to recognize that.
A lot are Divx as well. I amagine depending on the formats they are in originally will determine how I go about converting them over?
Hopefully you will just say I can do this the same way as I did the AVI file. lol
When you think you are at the end of your rope, just tie a knot and hang on...
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14. March 2005 @ 19:53 |
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Do them the same way you did this one :)
Doesn't matter what format they are, what matters is RUNNING TIME, and BITRATE. <grin>
Divx is avi, it just has a different extention.
MPG is mpeg, use virtualdub mod, instead of the normal virtualdub (I think we discussed that, and how to get audio out).
Remember the BITRATE! Use the calculator!!!
If in doubt, check again!
Right on, Gspot will tell you what you have, and it's running time, so you know what to put into the bitrate calculator.
I am SO glad you got the finished product you wanted, with far better quality than you expected.
Yes, it's a long, steep climb, to learn all this stuff, but the results are to be proud of :)
Kudos to YOU, for sticking it out. Most would have given up and just burned a frisbee in VSO <wink>
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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15. March 2005 @ 04:31 |
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Yah, I do thank you once again, rebootjim. That was a tough hike, but I aint no quiter, thats for sure.
Hey, rebootjim, whats that link again to the calculator? I must be blind. I went looking for it in the forum because you said you linked it or gave it to me, but I couldnt find it.
Ill probably need that calculator for further converting. Thanks
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15. March 2005 @ 05:41 |
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Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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15. March 2005 @ 08:15 |
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Ok, awesome. thanks bro.
Ok, I took a look at the calcular and seems fairly simple to use.
Do I just need to use GSpot to get me the video length off the original and enter it into the Cal, or do I need somethin else?
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