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Needing help with TMPGenc and Virtualdub
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Dr.Who
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27. March 2005 @ 18:36 |
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HEHEHEHEHEH...................................
aliiiiiive.......aliiiiiive....................ITS...
....ALLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its alive!!!! OMG FINALLY!!!! ITS ALIVE!!!!
Reboot Jimbo!!! ITS ALIIIIIVE!!!! Its working awesome!!
I have finally mastered the ways of the DVD force. (errr, almost)
YOU ARE MY MASTER YODA, JIMBO!!! The war is over, we can go home now....... lol
Man, when I was almost at the point of giving up, we FINALLY got this bad boy completed with NO ERRORS and NO PROBLEMS!! I have now a working dvd movie on disc in DVD format. PRAISE TO BE, PRAISE THE LORD AND THE GOD ALL MIGHTY!!! LOL ROFL
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piyota
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27. March 2005 @ 19:42 |
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No worry, my uncle's company has it, he's gonna borrow it for em tomorrow. thanks alot, by the way, in the trial ver, when I import the file mpge2 , it said:
Then, it extract the sound from the movie into 2 files seperated, is it right? Then I just have to add the AC3 sound right? Does the AC3 sound need to have the same name as the video file?
When creating the menu in DVD Lab, does the black rec like above appear? how to del it?
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Dr.Who
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28. March 2005 @ 04:30 |
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Nah, you can name it from joe, to bobs file. Whatever you want. Long as you have 2 files.
One this is the audio file from the original file in AC3 format and the video file which should be in M2V format.
Once thats done, then open them both in DVDLab and follow the instructions that Jim advised me, and you should be all set.
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Dr.Who
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28. March 2005 @ 04:46 |
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Hey RebootJim,
One more thing.....
I have also a few backups on file that have 2 segments. In other words, example (Terminator 3.avi CD 1 and Terminator 3.avi CD 2)
I may have read somewhere along this bible long journey how to joint connect both segments together to play back to back without pausing, but could you refresh my memory how thats done??
Thanks
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28. March 2005 @ 06:06 |
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Firstly, piyota, you should start your own thread with your own problems, and not butt into the middle of this one.
I told you before, I know nothing about TMPGEnc dvd author. I think it's a crappy, over-rated, gimped up authoring app, but that's just my informed opinion.
Yes, when importing anything into DVDLab, you should Demux it. It's actually preferrable to Demux it externally, or have your encoder output elementary streams.
All menu's are blank, black, until you MAKE one, with whatever background/txt/colours you want.
Read the DVDLab tutorials. http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=220092
Dr.Who. NOW we finally got the product. :) Congrats.
There are TWO ways to join a video in mpg format.
Use tmpgenc's mpeg tools, to "merge". (I don't like this method, but some prefer it), or just author both mpg's in dvdlab, and manually connect the end of movie 1 to the beginning of movie 2.
There may be a very slight delay going from 1 to the next, but audio will remain in sync much better this way.
Remember the audio was 7 seconds longer than the video? Well, that 7 seconds of audio can make your second movie have a 7 second delay in it's audio, if joined before authoring.
If you author it as two movies, you don't have that problem, nor do you need to manually cut 7 seconds off the first, before joining.
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Cheers, Jim
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piyota
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28. March 2005 @ 09:32 |
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Sorry, I was just asking about the DVD Lab , I don't think you were mad. Thanks
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Dr.Who
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28. March 2005 @ 09:45 |
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Piyotta,
It would make sense to start a new thread vs add-joining into this one, as to stir less confusion and force Jim and I to reverse the process back to help you to a thread that is roughly (almost) complete.
If you start a new thread, it will be a thread that will be under YOUR issue or problem and it will help Jim and others to determine from the start what we are working with.
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Jimbo,
To your reply,
So you think I should author both CD1 and CD2 seperately just like I did with this recent movie and then in DVD Author, join both together?
Hmmm, Im guessing I would HAVE to use DVD shrink if thats the case as just CD1 is 6 gigs alone. If I join CD 2 which according to the computers size is 4 gigs, Im looking at a joint segment movie being over 10gigs long. WOW.
Yah, I would have to use DVD shrink for this issue.
Yah, what I did to make this movie work last night, is actually, I didnt bother to make menu's or chapters for this movie. I just made the background and did a simple link to MOVIE1 chapter 1.
Most of my burnt movies are all one chapter straight through anyways. I look at it this way. If your going to watch a movie, watch it. Dont be flipping through chapter after chapter. LOL. But without question, it is now working.
So now all I have to figure out now is joining both segments in Author and using DVdShrink to shrink a joint file over 10gigs long down to 4.7gigs. lol
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28. March 2005 @ 12:34 |
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piyota, not mad at you, just a suggestion that will get you a lot more help, as people probably don't want to read all 7 pages of this thread.
Dr.Who, the movies could probably be re-encoded to a lower bitrate, so they don't need to be shrunk.
DVDLab should author things that large with no troubles.
If you do decide to use Shrink, you may have to shrink everything twice to get it down to fit.
I don't often worry about chapters either, just a nice menu, with a play button, maybe a motion menu with an audio track. I figure the time it took to get the movie working right, deserves a menu worthy of the effort ;)
In DLP, just make two movies, manually link movie 1 to movie 2. It's very simple.
How did you manage 6 gigs on one disk? Is this a commercial disk, or someone burned a dual layer one?
If it's commercial, once you strip out the menus, and alternate language tracks, and the subtitles, it's going to be quite a bit smaller. It's also possible there are two full versions of the movie on there, one 4:3 and the other 16:9.
You said they were SVCD's, which would make them no more than 700MB each...
Anyhow, if you have troubles with that project, start a new thread please, this one is done IMHO :D
(When asked if you learned anything new, you'll have a much longer answer now ) lol
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Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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28. March 2005 @ 14:28 |
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How did you manage 6 gigs on one disk? Is this a commercial disk, or someone burned a dual layer one?
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ACK, nm. Its almost 10 gigs for the whole movie, but the AVI is only like 2 gigs long. nm. Blah, my head hurts.
Its 2 lengths on the harddrive, cd 1 and cd 2, but are both almost as long as 4.7gigs in size.
Nah, they are not on cds. I WISH!!! Id be happy if there were cds out there that could burn over 10 gigs of movie info on one cd. lol
But nah, all my 500 movies are on my backup 250gig harddrive lol. Just that some of them are TWO segments, each almost 4.7 in size.
So, what I meant was is that one of Star Wars movies is two segments, and if I join them manually in DVDLab, it would be almost 10gigs in size, 2 segments together.
But if using DVDShrink after I join both segments and convert both of them to dvd vobs, then I suppose I could do it that way.
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28. March 2005 @ 17:52 |
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Again, I'll remind you, it doesn't matter one slightest little bit how BIG the AVI is.
Use the bitrate calculator to get the size you need from the RUNNING TIME of the movie, so it fit's on one disk.
If you have two segments, ADD the total running time of both together, then input it into the bitrate calc.
Encode video in TMPGEnc, audio as before in vdub/ffmpeggui, author in DLP, and burn :)
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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5. April 2005 @ 17:59 |
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Hey Jimbo,
Hate to bother you again, but Im starting on my next movie.
Got a question. When Im calculating the bitrate from the original file using that calculater you gave me the link to, Do I apply the DVD max bitrate in TMPGEnc, or the average bitrate?
I just noticed theres two results. I could of figured it out on my own, but I dont have the last movie on file no more sine I deleted it after making a succesful burn. But when I try to make the video file in M2v, I get an error saying ILLEGAL FLOATING DECIMAL POINT CALCULATION ORDER. So I figured I must of not calculated it right, somehow.
The movie this time is Aliens and its the following in GSpot
Run Time: 2:34:24
xy: 720x480
bitrate: 722kbs
FPS: 23.976
Audio Bitrate: 128kbs
When I added this into the calculater, it gave me
CALCULATED BITRATE: 3820kbits
DVD MAX BITRATE: 9668kbits
So do I use the calculated bitrate, or the DVD max bitrate on the calculater?
I entered in the DVD Max bitrate and got that error.
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Doulley
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5. April 2005 @ 18:23 |
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i had a problem when i tryed to convert AVI to mpg the framerate was really slow and just basically pictures
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6. April 2005 @ 07:28 |
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DrWho. Use the calculator's output as the AVERAGE bitrate. Set the MAX bitrate to 8000.
This is a 23.976 fps video, so make sure you encode it in TMPGEnc at 23.976 and in the Encode Mode box, set it to "3:2 pulldown".
Doulley, please start your own topic.
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Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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6. April 2005 @ 10:03 |
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Hey Jim,
How are you able to figure this all out between the types of videos and all? I mean, aside from using the calculator?
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6. April 2005 @ 10:31 |
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You sort of can't...
Tmpgenc's wizard can supposedly figure out bitrate, as can Mainconcept, but it's basically a guess, based on the audio bitrate, and running time, and neither can get it right all the time.
The bitrate calculator gives you some leeway. I always err on the side of caution, and if the calc says 3257kbps, I encode at 3250. Sometimes that little extra bit makes all the difference, especially if you want to use DVDLab and do switched or motion menus.
Aside from that, because DVD structure is very specific, yet the source material is always varied, one must know only 3 things to do it right.
Running time.
Frames per second.
Aspect ratio.
Running time is obvious. The longer the video, the larger the encoded mpeg-2 is going to be. Here's where the calcualtor is needed.
Frames per second. This allows us to select different settings in the encoder, to get the smoothest, highest quality output. Here's where PAL <--> NTSC conversions fall apart, in most cases, causing jerkiness.
Aspect ratio. Here's where we can adjust settings in the encoder again. Also works for PAL <--> NTSC stuff as well. Not done right, and the picture is squashed or stretched, or large chunks of stuff are missing from both sides.
Tmpgenc allows these things to be set easily. Other encoders do too, but sometimes it's not obvious where. (Try with CCE and see how far you get).
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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6. April 2005 @ 10:46 |
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Oh ok, makes sense, Jim.
So Im guessing when you told me to change the aspect ratio to 5666, the 5666bitrate was from the average bitrate from the calculater, correct?
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6. April 2005 @ 12:12 |
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Exactly :)
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Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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6. April 2005 @ 12:20 |
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Ok, let me make some corrections, and Im sure it will work next time. Thanks again, buddy.
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Dr.Who
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9. April 2005 @ 07:07 |
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Hey Jim,
Hey, on the calculator, where you choose what your audio's bitrate is, it seems to give you choices (64, 96, 112, 128, 160, etc etc)
I noticed that under GSpot, the audio results read my audio to be 133kb/s. So since on the calculator, it doesnt have 133, do I pick to the highiest decimal, or do I custom it in?
I chose custom and entered it in, but its asking me what the tracks ISO is. I just left it on what it figured out.
So I guess bottom line is, do I choose custom and enter it in, or just pick a bitrate that is closest to the 133?
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9. April 2005 @ 11:18 |
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No, doesn't matter what the source bitrate is, becasue it's not AC3.
Set audio bitrate to 224kbps, then encode it in ffmpeggui to 224kbps.
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Cheers, Jim
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Dr.Who
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18. April 2005 @ 03:31 |
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Hey Jim,
What does it mean when you get an error saying OUT OF RANGE in TMPEGenc? I got an error while converting the video to M2V stating it was out of range with a 352 in ( )'s.
Hhhmmmm. Cant figure out what went wrong. Did my last movie with no errors.
RT is 1:11:50 and audio bitrate was 182, so I chose 192 in tmpegenc. Should I just set it to 224 like you mentioned in the last statement?
It could be my audio setting, because when I extracted the audio, I put it at 224, but in TMPEG, I chose 192.
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18. April 2005 @ 08:16 |
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Out of range usually means a corrupt video stream.
Check it for errors in VirtualDub.
If you're doing audio like I said, with ffmpeggui, don't do any audio in TMPGEnc, just blank out the audio line, and select ES Video only.
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Cheers, Jim
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18. April 2005 @ 12:26 |
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Yah, Im using ffmpeggui to convert to AC3 and all, but I know last time you said to use 224kbits on the last movie, but do I choose 224 on all the movies when extracting and converting the audio to AC3?
Where do I check errors in VirtualDub?
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18. April 2005 @ 13:17 |
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Yes, always use 224kbps AC3 audio. You can drop it to 192kbps to leave a little more room for video if needed.
If you're doing the audio in ffmpeggui, then don't bother with it in TMPGEnc at all.
To check for errors in vdub 1.5.2, do this:
Open the AVI, select video, scan for errors.
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Cheers, Jim
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18. April 2005 @ 13:53 |
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Well, I have a feeling I screwed up in the audio reading in GSpot, because I didnt put 224 in GSpot to figure out the average bitrate, but when I extracted it I did use 224, but the average bitrate didnt match the 224 scale I did on the extraction.
Going to try it one more time using 224bitrate and see what happens. If I get the same error, then the video must be corrupted with errors.
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