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The Official GT4 Thread
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george77
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26. April 2005 @ 04:03 |
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crowy
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26. April 2005 @ 04:04 |
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If your drive supports it.
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crowy
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26. April 2005 @ 04:07 |
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But I have seen on another forum a couple of guys who have burnt in dvd+r format and still had success.
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sharky22
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26. April 2005 @ 05:12 |
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any news on the toxic os patcher or finding out whats in toxic os?
any news on the dvd5?
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DirtHary
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26. April 2005 @ 05:35 |
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I found this guide early in this morning, I´ll hope this have some
value?
Here you have the method to create a correct copy 1:1 from you original PS2 Dual Layer Game
PTP & PS2
PTP are the abbreviations of "Parallel Track Path". This method is supported in the news game librarys for DL disc.
The disc can be treaty how an only disc of double layer (ISO information only in layer 0) or the disc can have double ISO filesystem (in both layers). In this last mode, you can see the disc similar to a double side disc.
From the PS2 console, the developers have two functions: one to know if the disc is dual layer and the LBA from the layer 1 starts and other function
to search a file in layer 0 or layer 1 (you must to specify the layer).
The first function can be used to do a dvd check or to handle a LBAS table to access to the differents files in layer 1. For this reason, it is necessary
create a exact copy (1:1) from you original disc that it respects the layer information.
Some of the competitors of O2 announce support DVD9 when in fact, they have done a patch for the GT4 game only.
I prefer not to deceive to the O2 users: I have made a real patch thinking to support this and others games! So if have done a bad backup, it cannot work under O2 patch, but if you have done a good backup (with the real layer information) it work perfectly. The other solution is to create a patch only for GT4... well if you want to create this patch, you can start now, but i must think in a generic patch and it is not possible to do without a exact copy 1:1. OK?
OTP and PTP differences
OTP are the abbreviations of "Opposite Track Path". This method is used in DVD Video and for you backup under DVD+R DL. The difference betwen PTP and OTP is: in PTP the layers starts from the center of the disc and finish at the border of the disc. In OTP, the first layer start from the center of the disc and finish at the border of the disc, but the second layer is read of opposite form (border to center). So the real change for the software is the layer 1.
The Real Layer info of GT4 game
Code:
Disc Information:
Status: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 2.763.936
Size: 5.660.540.928 bytes
Time: 614:14:36 (MM:SS:FF)
Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Book Type: DVD-ROM
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: 10.08Mbps
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196.608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 1.819.007
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0
Layer Information:
Layer 0 Sectors: 1.622.400 (58,7%)
Layer 1 Sectors: 1.141.536 (41,3%)
(extracted from DVD DECRYPTER)
Here you have the information about original GT4 game. To create a good backup, it is neccesary the coincidence of the two last lines between your backup and this original. But in addition, a compatibility problem exists.I have done some test with the aid of a friend: if you backup have DVD+R DL as booktype, it work in V4 to V7 and V11 models (V11 is a 'rare' case). In V9, V10 and PSTWO is necessary DVD-ROM book type (or you dvd backup is rejected by the DVD controller and you can can see a precious red screen )
Some models of DVD DL burners put DVD-ROM book type by deffault (surely in new models). But other models need to change the book type manually.
Making the Backup
To create the backup, you need the software DVD Decrypter. Only with this software, you can be sure the backup work. The reason is: DVD Decrypter use a extra file (MDS file) to know how the info must be writed in the differents layers. With other software, you can burn the info but it can have different layer information (so a sector in layer 1 in the original, can be in layer 0 in the copy )
Reading the original disc.
1) Starts DVD Decrypter application. put GT4 game in the DVD burner.
2) Select in the menu Mode->ISO->Read
3) Select the source (you DVD Burner)
4) Select the destination file
5) Click in the ICON decrypt to start
When the operation finish, you have two files: ISO file and MDS file
Writing the DVD+R DL copy
1) Select in the menu Mode->ISO Write
2) Select the file MDS as source
3) Select in the menu Tools->Drive->Change Book Type. Select your appropriate driver and change the book type to DVD-ROM
if you driver is not supported it is possible put DVD-ROM by deffault.
4) Click in the icon to write (if you have a DVD+R DL of course! )
This is the information readed from the backup:
Code:
Disc Information:
Status: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 2.763.936
Size: 5.660.540.928 bytes
Time: 614:14:36 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2,4x
DVD+R DL Boundary Information:
L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1.622.400
Changeable: No
Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: XXX-001-00
Book Type: DVD+R DL
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196.608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16.580.607
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2.283.519
Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: XXX-001-00
Book Type: DVD-ROM
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196.608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16.099.743
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 1.819.007
Layer Information:
Layer 0 Sectors: 1.622.400 (58,7%)
Layer 1 Sectors: 1.141.536 (41,3%)
As you can see, in the Physical information last recorded, the booktype is DVD-ROM. With this information the backup works in alls PS2
The layer information is the same, so my patch can work correctly
About 1.61: the betatesters have the patch. i hope to release this patch in short time. This patch is not thinking in HDL support. For this support you have a patch from the ps2 scene, the right way to patch only a game.
The new patch can be considerer as one beta: to test this new support and the surprise (i hope you wild be happy with this new feature )
Please, to do the backup use this method: if you use other and the disc don't work, you are the responsible.
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jzuijlek
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26. April 2005 @ 06:25 |
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DirtHary
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26. April 2005 @ 06:40 |
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@jzuijlek: That´s true :)
I´m just testing right now how it works with me to burn DL
backup from original first.
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synapse
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26. April 2005 @ 07:20 |
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I'm really skepticle about doing this one since dvd+dl media is expensive, and i have yet to see someone say it worked. Does gt4 work with the Magic V chip? I have tried sending via lan using Faplink but it has 2 gb max bug so it does'nt get far into that, so i guess i gotta get hdl server or something. I would love to jsut be able to back up my copy, can't stand loading times and too many kids in this house.
Pejo
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george77
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26. April 2005 @ 07:23 |
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I'm burning the image to a DVD+R DL with DVD Decrypter now...
I set the Layer break to sector 1622400.
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MaRcOvIcH
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26. April 2005 @ 07:42 |
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Hey guys why bother backing up the game if you could just put a hard drive in the ps2 and load the image on to the harddrive with hd loader or hd advanced its much easier to do.
i use a 80gig maxtor
modchip
hd advance 2.1
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sharky22
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26. April 2005 @ 07:46 |
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DirtHary, that gudie you posted is only for those who have the O2 modchip and updated to their latest firmware. It wouldn't work on any other modchip, so your just wasting time and also an expensive DL disc.
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george77
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26. April 2005 @ 08:19 |
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@jzuijlek :
I tried what you said with the layer break but nothing...it stops loading after the "2005 Sony Computer Entertainment..." screen.Has this method worked for you???
PLAY WITH THE BEST, DIE LIKE THE REST
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jzuijlek
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26. April 2005 @ 09:13 |
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Yes, this method is working for me
The ps2 is a V3 with matrix infinity with firmware 1.40
It should work with any modchip that has OTP DVD+R DL support
So thats:
DMS4 ToxicOS
Matrix Infinity 1.40
O2 Modchip 1.61
etc.
BTW I used the STRiKE release from februari 05. 1622400 is the layerbreak for PAL only, I can't verify the NTSC(USA) layer break as I don't have a NTSC original.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 26. April 2005 @ 09:16
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26. April 2005 @ 09:39 |
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well, by any chance would it still be able to work w/ swap disc???
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26. April 2005 @ 09:40 |
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OOPS
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 26. April 2005 @ 09:41
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jzuijlek
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26. April 2005 @ 09:50 |
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It will not work with a swap-disk. The reason it that these firmware's allow the ps2's to read the OTP disc as if it was an PTP disc.
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DirtHary
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26. April 2005 @ 09:53 |
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Work fine with me also.
DMS4 lite
ToxicBios 1.3
Maxell DL DVD+R
Burned with Nero and DVDecrypter (both works)
Remember to enable DL support via control screen (Toxic)
Haven´t try the ISO layer break -system yet.
I´ll try it tomorrow.
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26. April 2005 @ 09:57 |
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do u guys think that it will ever work w/ the swap disc??
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RemyK313
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26. April 2005 @ 11:17 |
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Yes, we will eventually get it to work with Swap Magic.
It's going to take a lot of work, but it'll be done.
Why? Because all DVD9 games in the future are going to need this.
Edited because I'm stupid.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 26. April 2005 @ 13:38
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Kingsizer
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26. April 2005 @ 13:14 |
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Has anyone tried those patches i posted?
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bigsnack
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26. April 2005 @ 14:19 |
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Anyone here have any luck with the NTSC version?
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ranger12
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26. April 2005 @ 14:40 |
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george77...so your saying u tried making a backup of gt4 using this latest method and it did not work with ur messiah 2 modchip??
just wondering as i also have this chip..
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sharky22
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26. April 2005 @ 16:12 |
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ANY NEWS ON DVD5 BACKUP OR DVD9 BACKUP THAT WORKS WITH ALL MODCHIPS?
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faustx
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26. April 2005 @ 17:26 |
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there wil never b a dvd5 rip
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speccyfan
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26. April 2005 @ 20:25 |
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ok folks,think we've established that it will work on a dvd9 with a mod chip with dvd-dl support(if burnt correctly),i think we're all waiting for somebody to come up with a .vol file extractor to rip it do dvd5,remove the ptp check and convert the img/core to read the disk as a single layer,that seems about all that,s left to do now but i dunno if anyone's gonna crack the algorithm,plus there are quite a few references to read DL in the core which is probably why so many pirateers are still using DL disks in bootlegged copies,i don't think it's gonna be on dvd5 myself as it's a LOT of hassle,if it wasn't,one of these fine programmers/coders in operation today would have done it.Eventually people are gonna all have dvd-dl burners as the prices drop or they know somebody with one,and it wouldn't suprise me if this is a test run for sony's ps3 (they will need a lot more data on a disk to run games),unless of course they are using blu-ray technology which is a whole-other sh*tstorm!!,or it could be a ploy to make more people go out and buy a sony £70 dvd-dl burner(which coincidently dropped in price with the release of GT4!!so either way they will extract all our hard earned cash from us.I'm waiting for some more dvd-dl's and i'm gonna have a go at the ptp code,i think there's only one reference to it but the disk keeps going back to it before shutting down the program,i reckon it will just mean finding the reference code to the check(should be quite a few strings to one area of code) , and a simple change to the read structure,just got to find a DL original game and compare files so i can change the check(if i can find it).sometimes a simple method is right there in front of you when looking for the improbable!(many years of spectrum progging has taught me this!!,good luck all
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