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Problem with Audio Sync in TMPGEnc
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RonnaP
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5. May 2005 @ 11:31 |
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Ok, I think I understand now - I hope anyways :) Is there a page anywhere that explains how to use Canopus?? I'm seriously thinking about getting it.
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5. May 2005 @ 12:03 |
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Click on Help, and it doesn't just shuffle you off to some Web site for documentation. There's two ways to get help, one is the Help menu where you search an index for your desired topic. Additionally, if you click on the Question mark, you get the ProCoder Guide, a separate context-sensitive help area. If that's not enough, you get an easy-to-follow Getting Started booklet in the box if you need to get underway quickly, along with a well-written and surprisingly thorough book entitled Video Compression Concepts by Ben Waggoner. It's quite a Herculean effort at documentation, and represents a laudable effort to shed some light on the complex and sometimes vexing world of video compression.
Short guide here: http://www.videohelp.com/guides.php?link=601
Another here: http://www.geniusdv.com/CanopusProcoder.php
Another here:http://www.digitalfaq.com/convert/procoder/procoder.htm
I think they all deal with Procoder 1.5 and 2, but express should be similar. It has a wizard similar to tmpgenc's, but easier to use.
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Cheers, Jim
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RonnaP
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5. May 2005 @ 12:11 |
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You don't know how much I appreciate your help :)
I am printing everything out and highlighting the important things.
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5. May 2005 @ 13:45 |
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I'll be happy, when YOU are happy with the finished DVD :)
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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RonnaP
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5. May 2005 @ 15:48 |
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OK - I've gone over and over this that we talked about and here is my delimna. I encoded the video which is 624x352 - you view the video in PowerDVD it has the appearance of letterbox (black on top and bottom) but when I open it in VirtualDub there is nothing there - its the full screen. Now I encoded one in TMPGEnc and one in MainConcept - the one in TMPGEnc is displaying just like the source file (with black on top and bottom) - the one in MainConcept is stretched to fit the entire screen. If I can't crop it in VirtualDub how do I get it to look right when encoding in MainConcept??
I think I figured it out ! (I hope)
In Mainconcept - select MPEG2, NTSC, then in detailed settings it will already be set at 624x352, make sure that "keep proportions" is checked and it should encode just like the original - correct??
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RonnaP
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6. May 2005 @ 05:42 |
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Is there anyway to fix the .avi file I have that when I encode it - its out of sync?
It's the only one out of the batch that is doing that - I have another copy of it but its crappy quality !
One other question - I have a file that is:
MPEG1, PAL, 4:3, 352x288 - Audio is MPEG1, CBR, 44,100khz
Its letterboxed and I can open it in VirtualDub and go all the way to where I frameserve and the frameserver is for .avi ONLY - any suggestions?
Also, is there any difference in multiplex and simple multiples in TMPGEnc?
Thank you sooooooooooo much :)
Ok I think I figured it out ! (I hope) - I took the file into MainConcept and set it to encode MPEG2 PAL, unchecked keep proportions - set it to 720x480 - then I cropped and I ran a test and it seems to be fairly good. I can't see where u can view the file when u are cropping so I guess that is just a guessing game. The other thing is the video is kinda blurry - not bad just a bit.
On the .avi that is out of sync after I encode - could I do the method that you told me for PAL to NTSC when its out of sync (even though I know its not PAL) - would that maybe work?
Ok-I'm having problem keeping aspect ratio in MainConcept. I encoded video in TMPGEnc and it came out with black on top and bottom just like the original had (even though its NOT letterboxed). When I encode in MainConcept it stretches it to fit the screen. I thought it was ok because I viewed it after a couple minutes of encoding but I had to view it in Realplayer. For some reason when I encode in MainConcept under Elementary Video it creates a .mpv file which PowerDVD or WinDVD will not play. But if I encode as Program Video it will create a .mpg file which PowerDVD will play. So therefore I viewed it in Realplayer thinking it was ok - but like u said doesn't keep good ratio aspect - so it wasn't. What is the different in program and elementary video?
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9. May 2005 @ 09:05 |
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Is there anyway to fix the .AVI file I have that when I encode it - its out of sync?
There's always a way. Without me having a copy of that particular video, there's not much I can suggest to help you fix it, other than what I've already mentioned.
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I have a file that is:
MPEG1, PAL, 4:3, 352x288 - Audio is MPEG1, CBR, 44,100khz
Its letterboxed and I can open it in VirtualDub and go all the way to where I frameserve and the frameserver is for .AVI ONLY - any suggestions?
Extract the audio, and transcode it separately, or use the extracted .wav as the audio source when encoding. (use the vdub frameserved video, and the .wav audio).
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Also, is there any difference in multiplex and simple multiples in TMPGEnc?
No.
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On the .AVI that is out of sync after I encode - could I do the method that you told me for PAL to NTSC when its out of sync (even though I know its not PAL) - would that maybe work?
Try it, but I doubt it.
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Ok-I'm having problem keeping aspect ratio in MainConcept. I encoded video in TMPGEnc and it came out with black on top and bottom just like the original had (even though its NOT letterboxed).
This is correct. TMPGEnc keeps the video the correct aspect, and puts the black in if needed to fill a 4:3 TV screen, otherwise it's all stretched.
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When I encode in MainConcept it stretches it to fit the screen. I thought it was ok because I viewed it after a couple minutes of encoding but I had to view it in Realplayer.
This is why I said you had to crop/resize in VirtualDub, and then frameserve to Mainconcept. It cannot letterbox properly.
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For some reason when I encode in MainConcept under Elementary Video it creates a .mpv file which PowerDVD or WinDVD will not play.
Rename it to .m2v then it will play.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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RonnaP
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9. May 2005 @ 09:21 |
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Well I posted yesterday in a new thread :
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/189040
and Minion sent me the program and I extracted the audio with that program and then ran both the resulting audio and the avi thru TMPGEnc and it came out PERFECT !
I can't believe it I fought with that thing all weekend :(
I didn't want to give up - You can't believe how much you have taught me - I really really appreciate it :)
Also, if I crop the video (cut the borders off) in VirtualDub then frameserve it to TMPGEnc or MainConcept - I thought I read somewhere that it would still view on the pc just like it was but when you play it on a DVD thru the tv that it wouldn't - is that true? I'm fighting with another trying to crop but then when I view it on my pc it looks the same.
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9. May 2005 @ 09:49 |
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Send me the program, I'd like to test it (or at least tell me what it is, I may already have it).
Edit: send to dvdeo(at)shaw.ca please. This addy is disposable.
When you crop the borders off in virtualdub, then frameserve, all the encoder is doing, is encoding the REAL video stream, not the extra black stuff, but it (tmpgenc) also letterboxes as needed, but doesn't use near as much bitrate to do so. You get a better quality video.
Because mainconcept doesn't understand how to letterbox, you must use virtualdub to letterbox it first, THEN frameserve.
By cropping OFF any letterbox, then putting it back ON, in virtualdub, you are ensuring a pure black box. This takes less bitrate to encode than whatever is previously on the video. It also allows you to add more or less, if needed, to keep the real video aspect ratio correct.
A cropped video will play normally on the computer in MOST players, because software doesn't care that your TV is 4:3. If you want it done right, to view on a TV, then it must be encoded to a proper 4:3 aspect, letterboxed or not.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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RonnaP
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9. May 2005 @ 10:10 |
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Your NOT gonna believe this - I was all finished encoding had double checked all files to make sure they were ok and composed and burned them to a DVD-R and GUESS WHAT - out of sync !!
I don't know what to do maybe someone doesn't want me to burn these.
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9. May 2005 @ 12:03 |
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Try this:
Encode the video in TMPGEnc as a standard NTSC video, WITH audio.
Change the framerate on the Settings tab, to 25fps.
This creates an NTSC standard aspect of 720x480, but at the 25fps PAL rate.
Author it, and burn to a DVDRW.
I'll bet it plays perfectly in your standalone.
If it does NOT:
Demux, run the m2v through dgpulldown, 25fps -> 29.97fps
Author the demuxed mp2 audio and the dgpulldown.m2v
Burn to DVDRW, and test.
It should also play, but I need to know if it's out of sync, and how.
Does video come before audio, or after?
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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RonnaP
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9. May 2005 @ 12:09 |
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I think we are on 2 different subjects - I had originally asked you about a 23.976 AVI then asked you about a PAL avi
The one I'm having problem with is the 23.976 AVI but I found after loading them into DVDLab that I actually encoded them wrong !
So now I'm encoding again and will try to burn again.
The audio was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy after the video badly.
I also left you a private message.
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9. May 2005 @ 13:04 |
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OK, we were on two different topics there.
I was thinking it was the PAL AVI giving the trouble.
If it's the NTSC one (VBR mp3 audio, right?), then you can mess with the audio in Goldwave, until it's just right.
This can take hours of trial and error.
I like to use Soundforge, because I can see the video at the same time, but it's expensive.
Anyhow, if you DO get one of those stubborn PAL ones, just try the settings I mentioned. 99% of recent dvd players have no trouble playing a 25fps file on your NTSC television.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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RonnaP
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9. May 2005 @ 13:50 |
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How do I keep the aspect ratio in MainConcept? Do I have to resize and add borders in VirtualDub then frameserve to MainConcept??
MainConcept stretches it to fit the screen - but its MUCH Faster than TMPGEnc. Currently TMPGEnc says its gonna take 3 hours to encode a 43 min avi and I have it set to precision search method fast. Is Program Video different than Elementary Video?
I can't get ProCoder to do what I want. I was able to get an evaluation copy but all it does is crash when you get to the last step to start the encoding. I'm happy with MainConcept if I can get it to stop stretching.
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9. May 2005 @ 14:27 |
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Resize in VirtualDub to the nearest aspect as the original, but make sure it's 4:3
If the original is PAL, resize it to 4:3 NTSC by adding borders.
I'll leave you to figure out the math, as I have no idea what YOUR source file frame sizes are.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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RonnaP
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9. May 2005 @ 14:44 |
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You have TOTALLY lost me now - maybe if you explain (which maybe you already have I am lost again) but if you could do it 1 more time I would appreciate it :)
My SOURCE file is : 624x352 23.976 and I don't see anything in GSpot that says 4:3 but the FAR is 1.773 (39:322) the PAR is 1.000 and the DAR is 1.773 (39:322) does that tell you anything?
What I thought was open the AVI in VirtualDub, disable the audio, go to filters - add - Resize - then change the properties to 720x480 and click the box to add borders and then frameserve to MainConcept at DVD NTSC 23.976 with 3:2 pulldown to make it 29.97 - am I wrong?
Also what is the differene in elementery and program video??
Did you get that file I sent?
I'm sorry to be such a pain !
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9. May 2005 @ 18:28 |
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You have TOTALLY lost me now - maybe if you explain (which maybe you already have I am lost again) but if you could do it 1 more time I would appreciate it :)
My SOURCE file is : 624x352 23.976 and I don't see anything in GSpot that says 4:3 but the FAR is 1.773 (39:322) the PAR is 1.000 and the DAR is 1.773 (39:322) does that tell you anything?
Yes :)
DAR is what you are looking at. In this case 624x352 is anamorphic widescreen. To make it correct, you need to resize it and add borders.
In this case, take 720, divided by 624, equals 1.154
352 times 1.154 equals 406.
In VirtualDub, video, filters, add, resize, and make it 720x406.
Add borders top and bottom, so it's 720x480.
Frameserve to mainconcept, encode at 23.976 with 3:2 pulldown (select it on the Details, Advanced, Advanced Video tab.)
Elementary will output separate video/audio or both. Program is a muxed mpg.
I got the file, thanks :)
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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RonnaP
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9. May 2005 @ 18:36 |
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I've tried frameserving to MainConcept and all I get is a green screen for output. I've checked, re-checked, double-checked the process for frameserving and it only gives me a green screen :(
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RonnaP
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10. May 2005 @ 06:24 |
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Is it necessary when resizing in VirtualDub to adjust the width? The reason I ask is when I encode in TMPGEnc its adding black on bottom, top and sides.
Also, I'm still unable to frameserve to MainConcept - I woulda sworn I did it once but I can't get it to work now.
I think I figured it out, I need the VFAPI converter right?
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10. May 2005 @ 07:42 |
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If you're getting borders on the sides, then you do not have the settings on the Advanced tab in TMPGEnc set right.
Make it 1:1 VGA, and keep aspect ratio 2.
Yes, you need the vfapi reader.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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RonnaP
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10. May 2005 @ 07:51 |
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Thank You :)
One of these days I'll get all this down. Have you tested that program yet?? What do you think?
I am selecting 1:1 VGA and Keep Aspect Ratio 2 and its still adding borders on the side.
Should I not be encoding to 16:9?? I thought you told me this video was 16:9?
Okay I just re-read your post and you didn't tell me it was 16:9 you told me it was panaramic widescreen - SORRY
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10. May 2005 @ 09:55 |
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Heh. No, don't encode it to 16:9 unless you actually own a 16:9 widescreen TV. Encode to 4:3
That's the whole point of the resizing, get it to 4:3 aspect (720x480) and add the correct borders so it shows up on the TV correctly, not stretched.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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RonnaP
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10. May 2005 @ 10:07 |
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Well right I'm having problems with my pc and HP is telling me to do a system restore and I think there full of it !!!!!!!!
Everytime I have a problem thats there solution. I think a LOT of my problem is SP2 - I have windows xp here on a disk without SP2 and I'm thinking about re-installing but I don't know if I will lose everything. Ive asked HP - but they haven't responded.
Hey - thanks so much for your help :) I may be back again after I get my pc fixed.
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10. May 2005 @ 10:28 |
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Yes, you can safely roll back.
Look in add/remove programs in control panel, see if SP2 is there.
If so, you can remove it.
You could then do an "over the top" install, with a regular XP disk. This retains all your current settings, but replaces all the system files.
It's painless, and I can give you instructions if you'd like.
I've done it a hundred times on customer's computers.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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RonnaP
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10. May 2005 @ 10:34 |
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Yesssssssssssss, I'm un-installing SP2 right now and would love to re-install just windows without SP2. If you want email me - if you don't still have my email just let me know and I will send again.
Thanks sooooooooooo much :)
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