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EliteTorrents shut down by U.S. customs and FBI
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 25 May, 2005
EliteTorrents, a well known and one of the most used BitTorrent sites has been shut down today by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and US Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Here is the entire press release...
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Acting Assistant Attorney General John C. Richter of the Criminal Division, Homeland Security Assistant Secretary for Immigration and Customs Enforcement ... [ read the full article ]
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kanum
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26. May 2005 @ 07:20 |
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i really think they need to get out of the piriting problem i mean especially the U.S. government they should be helping with the epidemic of aids in africa more than stopping a few petty thefts the corpations r extremly rich it wouldnt matter that much if they lost maybe 4% to piricy oh wow now i cant buy that ferrari i wanted boo hoo
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cousin80
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26. May 2005 @ 08:07 |
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Well they got me scared enough to not download any more movies or games. This still does not mean I am going to go out an buy them. I never did before and I am still not going to and I am sure I am not the only one. So, how is that going to effect the economy. I think the economy is bad, movie sales went down because of it and they want to blame it on somthing.
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kragshot
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26. May 2005 @ 08:35 |
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C'mon, let's be realistic here.
This is typical government policy:
"Hey, we fcuked up. Let's find somebody else to blame for it!"
Between the scapegoating of electronic music culture for the drug war and p2p for decreased sales in mass media, the youth of America are solely responsible for all of the ills of the country!
For shame!!!
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cousin80
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26. May 2005 @ 08:39 |
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could not have said it better
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26. May 2005 @ 12:08 |
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OK what the hell has torrent downloading got to do with immigration? Have I read it wrong?
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Toiletman
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26. May 2005 @ 12:57 |
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I hope they manage to get themselves out of this situation without too much lost. EliteTorrents itself was becoming increasingly difficult to surf due to its slowness.
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26. May 2005 @ 13:21 |
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OK what the hell has torrent downloading got to do with immigration
I'm pretty sure that they said that the workprint had been taking to another country and that?s why the immigration got involved, if that?s so then my understanding is that the so called person that took it aboard was an American and the immigraton would have the power to export that person, they all seem to think that it was ET that was the soure of the workprint.
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This is typical government policy
Yes typical American policies :)
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 26. May 2005 @ 13:31
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26. May 2005 @ 14:01 |
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"When thieves steal this data, they are taking jobs away from hard workers in industry, which adversely impacts the U.S. economy. The FBI remains committed to working with our partners in law enforcement at all levels and private industry to identify and take action against those responsible."
Hilarious! What about the tens of millions of illegal immigrants who are our milking our country dry.
When our people going to wake up and realize that 98% of all Federal, State, County and City government officials are complete and utter morons? The only thing they care about is campaign contributions and illegal donations.
Public officials are some of the most corrupt individuals in this country but watch how fast they toss your kid in jail when he downloads a few mp3's.
Pathetic...
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dominator
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26. May 2005 @ 14:02 |
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Hey all day today all the torrent sites i tried arent working, does this have to do anything with it??
I tried torrentsearch.com, torrentspy.com, bitoogle.com etc...
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cousin80
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26. May 2005 @ 14:23 |
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the one i used today worked for me none of the ones you listed though
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26. May 2005 @ 14:28 |
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"The long-awaited last chapter in the "Star Wars" serial lifted the box office from last weekend's take by 67 percent."
"Still, the total box office for the weekend was down 3.5 percent from the same weekend last year."
Ahhhh, and of course that is ALL because of p2p.
I'm sure higher gasoline prices, auto insurance and health insurance premiums have nothing at all to do with lower sales.
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AHermit
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26. May 2005 @ 15:42 |
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IMHO the workprint release was a marketing ploy. I've seen the SW:III no less then 3 times at the Local movie house. I will buy the DVD... I will buy the boxed DVD set(s).. I have 3 boxed sets of the 4-6.. One on VHS, 2 on DVD (1 WS, 1 directors cut). I also have multi copies of the DVD of 1 & 2.. All the above was store bought. But to make a long story short. What is the dollar figure of the copies downloaded vs the dollar figure to do teh same amount of advertising..I also Agree that Lucas should look in house for the leak rather the public...
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P.S. Who's working on Rehacking the site do prove to the goverment that Site hacking is still illeagal
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domie
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26. May 2005 @ 16:55 |
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shifting focus a little but still very pertinent, i find it hard to believe that anyone these days would host a p2 site in the United States...talk about asking for trouble..anyone who has a server and site registered in the country where they live is asking for trouble and even more so in the United States.
What´s the matter with them ? They don´t know how to use the net to contract a server in Canada, Eastern Europe or the Far East ?
Anyone hear of a server being raided or a site shut down in those areas ? answer : NO !
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fancymojo
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26. May 2005 @ 23:24 |
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i guess its back 2 irc
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etherz
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27. May 2005 @ 03:37 |
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You guys need a few facts, although i love rumors!
Firstly, the server was hosted in the Netherlands, where they already have lax copywright laws, and that is why ICE was involved in the investigation.
The admins are under investigation and they were from the US, also major uploaders have been targeted.
The workprint did not origionate from the release group called Visa, nor did it origionate from Elite torrents!
And it was not EP III that got the site shut down, the FBI had been tracking the site for months!
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christy1
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27. May 2005 @ 04:03 |
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So, would you think low level members would be in trouble?
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27. May 2005 @ 04:34 |
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unfortunitly now the rest of the world gets to see the FBI (feeling brainless and incompatant) at work .you know this country is at war with a 6ft Saudia with a dyalises machine attcahed at his hip that they cant find, who in the last 4 years has released more films then Gynith Pathrow. and now we have to worry about them chassing our children down over some movie or software package that was downloaded off the net wow. this country needs a valuim and they need to chill out alittle . I mean since when has our hard drives become the scurge of the nation ? what about oh the Enron guys or the Michel Jackson and protecting our children instead we are chasing down the smart kids who have figured out "if its free its for me..... " so much for the american way....... I guess I should pack up and move to France where the Judges are tired of this issue and the lawsuets....
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dominator
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27. May 2005 @ 05:24 |
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2 cousin80
I see. Which site worked for you?
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ManGoogle
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27. May 2005 @ 07:35 |
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Piracy does cause damage to the economy - there's no way it doesn't. For anyone to say, "Lucas should have been more careful" is exactly the same as saying, "All those P2P people need to stop downloading." It's just pointing the finger somewhere else.
Everyone involved is equally to blame. That's that. And Afterdawn itself is just a cover for a huge amount of piracy - all masked behind tidy little "backup" jobs.
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27. May 2005 @ 08:41 |
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Everyone involved is equally to blame. That's that. And Afterdawn itself is just a cover for a huge amount of piracy - all masked behind tidy little "backup" jobs.
How is it a fucking mask for piracy? Because the same techniques to backup can be used to make pirate copies? Give me a break, go shut down the library system because their books can give you vital information to build bombs ok? Through that case in front of any court and get laughed at.
Afterdawn is not masking anything, we offer what we know for all interested. I noticed you seem to forget the followoing point also...
Afterdawn is based in Europe, which has a lot different view of things than the U.S. For example, a French court told the movie industry where to go by ruling in favour of a movie downloader who downloaded hundreds of movies, why? Because the dvd media he buys is expensive due to an extra levy on it that is supposed to compensate the movie/music industry and thats the way it is in a lot of european countries. The way the court says it was, a P2P network can be likened to a VCR, he used it to download a movie which he then burned to DVDR.
In many cases though I agree with you, downloading a DVD-Rip of a retail dvd is a lot different to downloading a CAM ot TS copy that came right from a movie theatre just days after the movie opened for example. However, you have to remember that you are pointing the blame at others too, like afterdawn for example. So its all this sites fault because it offers some information legally? come on!!!
Its like i said before on another thread
"It's a bad situation, whatever side you are on the other side is screwing you"
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27. May 2005 @ 08:52 |
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Mangoogle you sound very upset with the whole of it. the part everyone is try to figure out is why blame the downloaders for something that is easyly fixed the leak has distribution issues on it it the new star wars has been leaked by the very same comany who made it and they arnt going to hold someone respondsable for doing it they are going after the downloaders instead... sorry but you cant expect everyone be held to that level of honesty... if you found a ten dollar bill and you knew it wasnt yours would you still pick it up? of course you would if noone was around well if a person downloaded a peice of software to create something then published it they would have to buy a licence to put it out on the market ... that would be fair use. if I stand on the mountain and empty my wallet of say 100 one dollar bills and throw them to the wind is it fair expect that every one who finds one will bring them back or that I could go to their homes and search for them....
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Rip1212
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27. May 2005 @ 09:43 |
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Gentlemen and Lades: I am retied. I haven?t gone to the movies for many years. When I was working I didn?t have the time nor the outrages money to go. Now I have even less money but I have lots of time. Thanks to the BtTorrent I have seen some of the movies that I still can?t go to see. This whole thing is about Money money money. The US government is part and parcel of it all. Use unknown can do very little to change it but Bitch. Unless you write, call and vote. Those government people will stop this corporate pursuit of your money if their livelihood is threatened. Together you have power use it. Don?t just bitch.
For your info Star Wars the downloaders I, estimate by checking the sites I know of, was more than 50,000. Yet on the Washingtonpost.com movie section Friday, May 27, 2005 reads:
"Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith" set several records last weekend, taking in a whopping $158.5 million in North America alone.
Just how much did those downloaders hurt the industry?? If people are going to the movies this only wets the apatite to go to see the show in it splendor.
Don?t just bitch do something!!!
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27. May 2005 @ 10:31 |
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I went to see it in cinema :-) movie was well worth the money too :-) I however dont understand people going to a theatre to watch a movie thats about 1 hour and 10 minutes long featurng terrible actors and ridiculous jokes. For the same money i went to see star wars for an hour and 15 minutes :-)
I dunno, it's crazy, i dunno what to think lol
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27. May 2005 @ 10:55 |
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Completely with you on that one Dela. I dont mind paying to see a good quality film, or purchase a copy of a good album. What i dont understand or agree with is, why one earth should we be expected to pay the same amount for the box office flops and shitty album fillers that the studios see fit to throw at us?
Just as you can see from the box office takings for Star Wars, the public are willing to attend in their hundreds of thousands and pay a lot of money to support a well made product.
Due to the lack of internal action being taken by LucasArts I kinda get the feeling that this was a very clever marketing exercise. They certainly got a truck load of free advertising from it.
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ManGoogle
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27. May 2005 @ 10:55 |
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If you found a ten dollar bill and you knew it wasnt yours would you still pick it up?
Yes; at one point I found $200 and we turned it in to the police. Pocket change is one thing (like a 10 dollar bill) but ethics do come into play at some point.
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How is it a ####### mask for piracy?
Ummm... ever read any of the topics...?
I'm not here to condemn anyone if they're doing it - and that doesn't mean that everyone is, but it's not right. That's not to say that I don't share things with friends etc. but that doesn't change the ethics of the thing. Understand I'm not calling you out, I'm just stating the fact of it.
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