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EliteTorrents shut down by U.S. customs and FBI
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article published on 25 May, 2005
EliteTorrents, a well known and one of the most used BitTorrent sites has been shut down today by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and US Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Here is the entire press release...
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Acting Assistant Attorney General John C. Richter of the Criminal Division, Homeland Security Assistant Secretary for Immigration and Customs Enforcement ... [ read the full article ]
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27. May 2005 @ 11:04 |
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Then your a hypocrite
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It's just pointing the finger somewhere else.
STFU!
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27. May 2005 @ 11:11 |
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Totally agree with you there Mr_Taz_UK
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27. May 2005 @ 11:16 |
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ok yes a 10$ bill is a small and happy find but when we as a group (computer) users get told the next best safest thin is XP and we all throw down the 200$ just to find out that we all bought a lemon with more security holes in it then a deer crossing sign during hunting season. and did anyone go after Bill for selling a faulty product... no but download office and he'll come after you so hard that your grand children will still be paying off the debt when they die... no I used to feel that downloading was wrong then I paid for one to many programs that failed to live you to the hype and was left very delusioned by the whole experance. software should be download able for personal use free of charge then the corperate world would have to pay for the use in a buisness this way you get to be the best you can be with out having to buy everything. and this way everyone will have to buy bigger hard drives and all the latestand greatest computers to boast the economy ......
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27. May 2005 @ 11:27 |
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I'm not here to condemn anyone if they're doing it - and that doesn't mean that everyone is, but it's not right.
A little contradicting aren't we?
First you say "I'm not here to condemn anyone" then turn right around and say if someone is doing this they are wrong. If that isn't condemning someone than I don't know what is.
Go back under the rock you crawled out from under.
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This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 27. May 2005 @ 11:36
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27. May 2005 @ 11:27 |
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Totally agree with you mystic bill gates never even bothers taking his os software to its limits.Nah he will keep updating it for a little while and before it gets anywhere close to its actually limitations he bins it and moves on to another.Why ? because he wants to keep taking everyones cash.
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27. May 2005 @ 11:57 |
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but beware when XP was first unvailed Bill told us we could downlaod music and movies so why isnt he paying the fines.... beware "long horn"is the next eddition going to be released by GAtes so when I get the money spent on seeing ploto nash back and all the other dog movies that I spent money on then I'll stop downloading ...... anyone got a list of 5 bad movies you paid good money for.... I bet you do so someone owes you dont they.... any way have a nice weekend...
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27. May 2005 @ 12:33 |
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...it's more than bloody 5, mystic. It gets to a point where you're 'ripped' so much, that 'ripping' them back is the only option. Have a nice weekend yourself mate.
ManGoogle, as said before-STFU.
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27. May 2005 @ 12:34 |
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Alot of people who probably download the stuff probabley do it because they can not afford to keep shedding out for this stuff.They probably do it because they want to give there kids everything other kids have just like buying a football shirt.Bush who is the biggest plonker of all time .He spends billions in pointless wars and us tax payers have to pay for it yet when the movie industry say jump he does.Why ? because they fund the geek to keep him in office.The US socks glad i'm not from there Bush is robbing all his good American citizens.I just wish the plonker would drop down and die and leave all the good yank people freedom to do what they want to do.
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27. May 2005 @ 12:50 |
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Ummm... ever read any of the topics...?
I'm not here to condemn anyone if they're doing it - and that doesn't mean that everyone is, but it's not right. That's not to say that I don't share things with friends etc. but that doesn't change the ethics of the thing. Understand I'm not calling you out, I'm just stating the fact of it.
Like what? people saying they downloaded a movie or something? like i said it is the difference in law, check out downloading in finland (where afterdawn is based) and you would be surprised to see its legality. Its for that reason that posts like "hey i downloaded a movie how can i encode it?" are allowed.
But look through the site and find me pirated content, or even an hyperlink, ed2k link, torrents file.... etc... you wont find any cause they simply don't exist here...
Therefore your accusation that afterdawn is just a cover for piracy is bullshit mate. What about newsgroups? cudnt you say usenet is just a cover for piracy also? what about a vcr? tool of piracy?
its nonsense!
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zeroman24
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28. May 2005 @ 08:42 |
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Hi guys,
Firstly I like to say that bit-torrent has really revolutionised my life and the access I have to material that I wouldn?t otherwise buy or rent. I believe that digital movie advertisement and promotion is the way to go. Personally I buy many music CDs and DVD box sets even though I am a student. This includes LOTR EE and the Star Wars Trilogy. I can also freely admit that I do download material off the internet. Now the problem that I see with torrent sites is that they are often abused. For example if you?re the kind of person who does not spend a single penny on buying any CDs or DVDs but rather spend your whole time downloading things from the internet, then in my opinion you need to get a life.
I set clear rules for myself which I try never to break. For example I DO NOT download TS versions of movies that have just come out in cinema. I did not for example download SW3, but rather went to the cinema like every other human being and paid money to watch a movie that I love. I will wait as long as I need to for the Prequel trilogy to come out on box set and I will pay good money to buy that. When I do download movies off the internet it is often things that have been released on DVD for some months in which case they are often available to people at home or more often movies that have been out for a few years. In my mind I do not distinguish between recording a movie off the internet and recording a movie off cable/satellite using a VCR or a DVD recorder. The reason that I have to download movies in this way sometimes is that I do not have a Cinema or DVD Rental shop anywhere near where I leave but rather many miles away. Also the movies that I do download are usually the shit types that I am never gone pay money to watch anyway.
I must also mention that in my opinion Apple iTunes/iPod has revolutionised the way in which we buy and listen to digital music. There point of view was that the mp3 industry is huge and thus there is no way to stop it. The only real alternative is to join the game and try to at least control it. Well they have done a great job, I own two iPods and I love them. I also think their service on iTunes is great. Now it sounds to me as though Hollywood is rather stupid for not realising the potential of movies on the net. If they could control it and offer movies online for a few dollars then that would be a great source of revenue for them. In other words those rich bastards (MPAA et. al.) would get even richer.
Anyway I am really not trying to preach to anyone, but do people think that if they perhaps were more careful in downloading material that we wouldn?t be in this mess now. Even though I am liberal in my views, I think it?s just sheer greed for one to keep downloading typical copyright material especially movies that have just come out in cinema and think that this action does not affect the industry. It is not a good excuse to say that ?oh well they are really not gone lose much money?. I was always brought up to recognise that even though you could get things free, it was not necessarily always the best solution.
My final word is YES, yes I do understand the hypocrisy in America and the world. How Enron?s dealings left people like GW Bush with a lot of campaign money and how cooperation?s steal every day from people who aren?t well off, but this is no excuse for us to just say fuck it, they do it so why don?t we?
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28. May 2005 @ 09:12 |
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Nice comment :-) I share pretty much all your thoughts and sure do have the LOTR EE's on DVD :D lol
Altho i disagree when it comes to music. CDs dont have DRM, so why the hell should a music download have it? Now you could argue its to protect the music from being put on a P2P network.... but that music u may bet is already all over P2P networks lol Digital Rights Management (shud be caled Digital Restrictions Management) treats the entire world like potential pirates. I mean i hate seeing those stupid mvie download ads on my purchased DVDs, it's always the first thing i get rid of while making a backup.
Altho i do admire the way apple plainly refuses to raidse the price of music on iTunes (a move which is kinda pissing off record labels). The labels are now basically telling people that they are upset with Apple because it wont charge less for some older music that is no currently being sold as much as new music, but what they dont tell u is how much they want to charge for new release music, which you can bet your ass will be more than 99c per track!
iPods are cool, but I think mobile phones will kill them. The iTunes phone wont however, it will get no support because it relies on a computer and the internet to purchase music, whereas the recording industry would love to see some kind of service where peope can download songs literally from the air (which right now isnt that possible with currently used mobile technology). I do like Nokia's attempt though, a moile phone with a 4GB HDD, capable opf playing MP3 and various other formats.
Also the quality difference between music you can buy on CD and music from iTunes is too different. Several tests from audiophiles show that the quality of an iTunes song would be lower than a proper ripped VBR MP3 for example. However, you are right, they did realise they canopt defeat MP3, they had to give into it.
Lets all just sit back and see what happens ;-)
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28. May 2005 @ 16:35 |
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et forums are back up
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28. May 2005 @ 19:52 |
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This is all very upsetting. I download and frankly I really like it. It isn't easy. I get spyware and have lost my files more than once. I am married and have two kids. Money is always very tight. I like getting things that don't cost money and I like checking things out for the kids. We can't afford movies or me buying anime ect.. and it is something I can do that makes me feel less stupid. If you can copy,great,but it isn't that easy. I doubt the industry is losing money from me,because I couldn't buy these shows in the first place.
Something smacks false in the lofty statements of right and wrong. There is no less self interest in those opposing P2Ps than those who participate in them. In fact, I should say the opposite.
Also,I notice that a few of those who write to oppose sites like afterdawn,which I find a friendly,intelligent site, use odd turns of phrase. They sound like plants not real people.
I believe in free speech and I personally don't want the world to be run by a few corporations and industries. I want my kids to be able to think.
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28. May 2005 @ 21:22 |
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Hi,
It is interesting, because on Afterdawn we can see so many different points of view and that is perfectly acceptable since we live in a democracy (I hope). Shitting on people?s beliefs has never been my forte, but as I have mentioned before I don?t believe in abusing what we have. For example, I have a colleague at university who takes home many printer ink cartridges just because they are available even though he does not really require them. Soon people will start to wonder what is happening with these cartridges and it will make life difficult for everyone else. That is an analogy which tends to be true for all walks of life. No system should be abused and in my opinion if you never contribute anything to the industries that are producing these great movies or music albums or even games, then you are an ABUSER and there is no doubt about that. The extreme abuser is someone who actually makes money out of buying and selling copyright material. Also saying things like ?I don?t believe my actions will make any impact? is rather naïve because if enough people do it, it will make a considerable impact. Other arguments are ?I download all my media coz I?s got no money?, which again is strange. I am a student who lives on toast most of the time (no kidding) and I can afford to bye DVDs on occasion.
Anyway I am starting to sound like a preacher again so I?m sorry but as I said I do download media off the internet including movies and music albums but I do it in moderation and with certain rules. I believe in freedom as much as the next man but I rather think it is my duty to make some contribution to the people who have for example written, produced, directed, and acted in movies by occasionally paying money to buy the film. I guess it does not matter what I think anyway since people will always take as much as they can get there hands on and that will continue long after we are gone. It is human nature to be greedy? but let?s just hope that we can continue to have these wonderful torrent sites up and running for many years to come.
Peace out
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28. May 2005 @ 23:53 |
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hi all
didnt i hear somewhere france is taking a stand on sharing files? i must admit the film companies arnt making alot of money out of me, as i havent been to the cinema in what? 15 years, i think its just to expensive for a married man to take the whole family to see a film at a cost of like £50 after popcorn and drinks that costs a days wages, either wait to buy the dvd when it comes out at £10 roughly or hire it from the rental shop at £3.50 and for £3.50 the whole family get to see what others paid £50 for....
i spose films are like computer parts if you want the latest and greatest, bittorent is your friend...
at the end of the day we all live by rules and laws of the land, if we didnt have them it would be kaos...
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29. May 2005 @ 05:12 |
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My my this news report has really hit a few raw nerves. This website (Afterdawn) is, in my opinion, a useful tool to my own investigation, use and research into all sorts of material and methods I wish to look at...be it rip, own or buy on the web, down the local music store or in the DVD shop. The industry, both music and film, has long dictated to us what we should buy and can or cannot own or download and to how much we should pay. The cost to us punters, over the years, has made a lucky few very wealthy. The internet has provided a tool with which we can know make our own choice. If you?re against piracy then don?t download. If you swing the other way then download. It?s our choice. Myself...I download music I find to 'try before I buy'. Why should I cough up my hard earned cash to purchase shite from the download sites which is often of so poor quality anyway? I for one will buy legitimately the music I want to own, and, using the Internet, will normally get a good price! The same goes for the films available, who in there right mind would want to download the latest starwars epic in very poor quality with all the timing information, on permanent display, in the top rh corner!
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29. May 2005 @ 08:12 |
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Well if this has been touched on then sorry. Dela there are no laws that say you can't backup stuff you own. As long as you do not use the backup for profit or hand offs. I copy my kids DVDs right when they come out of the box. The kids watch the backups and I store the originals out of sight. If you have kids then you know how long it takes for the DVD to become scratched and unusable. The copies get messed up frequently. So would you wrather send $15 each time the movie is messed up or just 50 cents to recopy it? I am in no violation of any law. I do not give the copies to anyone or sell them. Oh yeah if you choose to sell the original then you also have to give up the copies. Yes the back up infor mation can be used by peoploe who want to copy rented material. that is illeagle.
My main torrent site got smat, so it seems. When going to thier site you get the file not found error. Try 2 more times and it comes up. Same with the torrent D/L pages of this site. you have to click the links several times for them to come up. strange isnt it? There is not much of a selection there tho. No this does not contradict what I listed above. I am not torrenting movies. And how can they say they are losing so much revenue? They still report billions in profits. If you cant live off that then you are an ass.
Make things cheaper hollywood and this would not happen. under $10 for a DVD ($3 per extra DVD in set)$3 for a CD and $4 for a VHS. This would increase sales by numbers and will increase your profits. Not to mention lower the desire to P2P media. Think about it Greedy ones.
-Del
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29. May 2005 @ 13:10 |
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I take it then that a photocopier is a piece of criminal equipment then? I wouldnt worry about it too much guys. Especially when you are dealing with such ignorant tw@ts.
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29. May 2005 @ 14:11 |
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Hello All -
LOL I'm just remembering when the good old cable company - never seemed to mind if you switched on the old VCR - to record a good "pay per view movie" !
I know they would even help with instructions how to set up the cables - LOL.
In fact - I know they still don't frown on it.
All these movie moguls are just pissed - because now we have access to their technolgy - that they have had for years - They better get used to it - or they'll need more counseling.
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29. May 2005 @ 15:29 |
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Mr_Del, OI never challanged backing up DVDs? think u got me mixed up mate!
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29. May 2005 @ 17:26 |
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Put aside for a moment morality and whatnot, I agree with viperRT and others, I don't recall any problems with copying with videos,tapes- it is just that some seem to really want their every half pennysworth. Good grief! Get a life!
Besides, I like learning how to make anime videos. I don't know how yet, but it's fun. More so than knitting!
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29. May 2005 @ 20:10 |
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HOLY F***ING S***!!!! You have GOT to be kidding me? Anyways, as some of you know I am on vacation when I just wanted to see the latest news...and I couldn't believe what I read.
Damn, ET shut down! This totally blows...hopefully the other sites will continue to be active and we'll be able to get some good stuff.
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R.I.P-ET :(
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29. May 2005 @ 22:10 |
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Just a couple of points here. What the F#%k is Homeland Security and Immigration involved with this for? No wonder they cant even defend our F#%king borders. C'mon A##holes, start doing what the tax payers pay you to do or get the F#%k out. You aren't paid to be thug enforcers for RIAA and The elite Hollywood marxists. It's really all about money and power, isn't it?
Exactly who has lost their job because of piracy. Making digital copies of music and movies employes the same number, whether it is a millon or a billon copies manufactured for sale. Fact is,if there was no piracy, there would be less need for lawyers and law enforcement. Just like if there was no illegal immigration, there would be alot less need for immigration. BTW isn't that why Marijuana won't be legalized? Because of all the jobs lost in the federal and local government if it was legalized? Criminalizing something ensures a self perpetuation of job security.
The truth is that the movie and music industry is making 100 times as much as they did in the 60s and 70s. When is enough enough? Greed is Greed and when these industries finally see that and lower their product prices, people will stop copying.
Hell, Hollywood couldn't even make copying for personal use illegal, so they did a run around and got some paid for judges to declare that breaking their encryption was illegal, circumventing the whole issue of legitimate backups. Mooo, were all just carrion and the vultures continue to circle, picking our almost dead bones clean.
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30. May 2005 @ 06:06 |
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More BS form the bushies they are greedy dictators.
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30. May 2005 @ 13:21 |
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Amazing. If you don't want it out there, keep under lock and key. We are a world of consumers. We consume sh!t and lots of it. I don't know many people who are going to pass and easy and free way to save money. Provide the technology and say to us, "you can't use it that way". Here's a tip RIAA/MPAA. Use the money you're spending to stop downloading and copying wisely and invest the tecnologies. Make it cheaper and you too can benefit. Until then, the consumers will beat you!
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