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Shrink freezes before end of first analysis
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jfproulx
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5. August 2005 @ 18:14 |
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I need some help. I have used shrink with no problem for the last year. I am know at a friend house and Shrink is doing stuff that i don't understand and that I have never seen before. It starts analysing the movie but it freezes right after the end of the first analysis, before I can decide wether I want to copy Full disc or Re-author. I have try to reinstall the dvd burner and the IDE channel. The DMA is on for the dvd Burner but cannot be turned on for the CD-Rom. I Don't know what is going on because It used to work A1 before. Do you Have any Idea?
The Computer is a P3 800 Mhz with 650 Mo of RAM
The DVD burner is a LG GSA-4163B
Thank you for your help
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recondo
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5. August 2005 @ 18:43 |
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It could be that the source disc is scratched or smudged, try cleaning it really good.
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jfproulx
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6. August 2005 @ 12:49 |
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The disc is fine. Not only Shrink freezes up but I have to reboot the computer because everything is frozen.
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jfproulx
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8. August 2005 @ 07:22 |
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By end of first analysis I mean when we open a disc.
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Bruce999
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8. August 2005 @ 09:10 |
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jfproulx:
What is the name and region number of this DVD?
Thanks,
-Bruce
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jfproulx
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8. August 2005 @ 09:41 |
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Every dvd does it... I have tried Shrek 1 and 2, Lion King 1 1/2, Mulan 2 and the region is 1. I was able to back up the same disc on my computer for my friend but for a reason that I don't understand it keeps freezing on his
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Bruce999
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8. August 2005 @ 09:48 |
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Okay, thanks. Just wanted to make sure it was not one of the newer Sony DVDs, since those can cause this same behavior in Shrink sometimes.
Is there plenty of extra room on that hard drive? How big is the hard drive, and what percentage remains "free"?
Also, is anything else running in the background (even hidden stuff)? Have you tried looking at the task manager, to see if anything is stealing most of the system resources during this analysis?
Thanks,
-Bruce
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jfproulx
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8. August 2005 @ 10:06 |
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The Hard drive is a 40 gig with plenty of space. Everything in the task manager is disable and when I go in running processes nothing major is going on. Could P2P be the problem. Their kids has Kazaa and Imesh installed.
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Bruce999
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8. August 2005 @ 15:54 |
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>>>>The Hard drive is a 40 gig with plenty of space.<<<<
I guess I still would be more comfortable if you attached some sort of number to this. Or, a percentage. "Plenty" to one person I talked to last week eventually turned out to mean "the file should fit." He failed to understand that copy commands inherently require twice the amount of room as the physical file requires, in order to work. We are talking about moving files which equal one-sixth of the size of that hard drive onto it already, and, depending on the software being used, this can mean almost a third of that hard drive needs to be free for copying purposes (if the software is one of those programs which first checks to see if there is room). Copying one DVD onto that hard drive with SOME programs can mean you need more than 19 GB of that drive free, out of the 40.
>>>Everything in the task manager is disable and when I go in running processes nothing major is going on. Could P2P be the problem. Their kids has Kazaa and Imesh installed.<<<<
Wait -- are Kazaa and Imesh actually running in the background while you are trying to do this? If so, that can and will definitely take a huge hit on system resources, and Windows resources, and the swap file size on any hard drive. (And, it sort of contradicts the sentence which proceeds it, if true).
-Bruce
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l8nights
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8. August 2005 @ 17:15 |
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hello jfproulx my first question is are you trying to use shrink for ripping I am asking just because I have heard no mention of a ripper of any kind is this because you have any dvd running in the background or something. shrink is an encoder w/ a ripping utility that is over a year out-of-date. I dont understand if you have been using dvdshrink for the whole of last year you were sure to run into several titles that wouldn't process
also give us some details as to the details of your method . Iam kinda still in the dark as there are no errors (I assume) you are going to have to narrow it down
btw try out DVD Decrypter (free) it is still the king.
there is a couple pointers I would reccomend alway's go offline and sthutdown any anti-virus,spyware,adware software completely disabled no messengers no networks etc etc etc
the hd does have to be kept clean as 40gb is a very small space seeing that it will take up to 13 gb just for one title defrag often and store files on media that is what it is for when there is constant shuffling like it usually takes to do back-ups you will end up with a bunch of segmented bits of your movie that will cause hiccups that will effect all but the best systems.
good luck and get back to us w/ any details you can provide.
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jfproulx
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10. August 2005 @ 08:34 |
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I will try to answer all of your question.
1. A lot of space is about 10 gig out of 40
2. IMesh and Kazaa are not running I have disabled them in the task Manager
3. I am using DVD Shrink to rip and encode and I have done it in the past with only 5 gig remaining on the HD in the past.
4. I will now try to explain what I am doing and what the computer is doing:
I put a movie ( any one ) in the burner.
Open dvd shrink
open Disc
At the very end of opening the disc before I can decide wether I want full disc or re-author, the computer freezes. I have tried a lot of different movie to always end up with the same result.
I even tried to use DVD Decrypter to rip it in .ISO mode to after use shrink, but we still have to open the iso file and it end up doing the same thing (freezing right after the end of the opening sequence)
When I realized that his computer was not working properly, I told him I would bring his original home and would try to copy them for him to see if there was some kind of new copy protection I was not aware of.
I put the dvd in my computer and A blank in the burner, Open shrink, open disc, re-authored it and in 45 minutes the dvd was burned perfectly.
Now, my question is: Why does it work perfectly on my computer and why doesn't it work at all on my friend's computer?
I have never seen or heard of a computer freezing on Shrink after the openig of a disc...It is not as demanding on the CPU as encoding and compressing.
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eruname
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10. August 2005 @ 10:29 |
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I'm trying to make a backup copy of XXX: State of the Union but on the analysis, it always freezes at 13%. I don't know if it's the same problem but to me it kind of seems like it. When you were able to copy the DVD on your computer, what did you do exactly? Maybe I missed a step or something. After all, I'm kind of knew to this whole thing.
I also read in another thread that it might be the Sony ArccOS protection. Now I'm saying this because I'm asking if you have another software, like AnyDVD that can take that protection of when you insert the DVD or soemthing like that. That might also be why you're able to copy and your friend can't.
Anyways, I don't know a lot.
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jfproulx
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10. August 2005 @ 11:19 |
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The setup between my computer and my friend's is pretty much the same. The only difference is the cpu. He has a 800 Mhz with 694 mo and I have a Athlon 64 3000+ with 512 mo
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eruname
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10. August 2005 @ 15:43 |
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What version of DVDD and DVDShrink do you have (if you said it before I forgot... sorry) because i was finally able to make a backup copy with only DVDD and DVDShrink. My problem was that I used an older version of DVDD.
Good Luck!
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Car.Mike
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10. August 2005 @ 16:49 |
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jfproulx,
Lets see if we can get your friends computer up and running. If he has 10 GB that really is not enough space to do a movie but if he could buy AnyDVD and then use Shrink then that is enough room to do the movie. Suggest he use the 21 day free trial offer and then buy the program. If you use Shrink by itself then it can not decrypt the newer movies and AnyDVD will get it over the hump. If you use DVDDecrypter to rip the movie to HD then you will need 8 gb of free space plus 4.3gb of free space for Shrink
Freezing of the computer can be caused by many things like Heat build up caused by dust , fans not working properly or a conflict in the registry. Google for a free registry cleaner and see if that helps when you clean the registry. Also open the case and see if all of the fans are working properly and it is relatively dust free. Re-seat the ram if it continues and make sure all of the cables are connected properly.
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10. August 2005 @ 17:06 |
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gocubs01
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10. August 2005 @ 17:19 |
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What if it only does freeze with certian dvd's?
My entire system will lock up while encoding.
diary of a mad black woman
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Car.Mike
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10. August 2005 @ 18:34 |
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gocubs01,
Welcome to the forum. Read the info arniebear has in his answer and read mine also. I did 2 of the 3 movies you mentioned w/ no problems. D/L a registry cleaner and clean the registry as conflicts cause problems. If you have DLA packet programs get rid of the offending problem. Post your error log if you can
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l8nights
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10. August 2005 @ 19:21 |
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@jfproulx hello again please re-read the posts carefully
my suggestion:Quote:
the hd does have to be kept clean as 40gb is a very small space seeing that it will take up to 13 gb just for one title defrag often and store files on media that is what it is for
bruces suggestion:Quote:
We are talking about moving files which equal one-sixth of the size of that hard drive onto it already, and, depending on the software being used, this can mean almost a third of that hard drive needs to be free
your reply: Quote:
1. A lot of space is about 10 gig out of 40
I'm thinking this is the main problem being that decrypter is using about 6-8 gbs for the file shrink then uses 4.7max for the iso
the other thing is being the mention of kazaa and I-mesh there are probably plenty of files that could be stored on media
the second problem everytime I think of kazaa It makes me cringe my last p.c. old faithful was a real soldier. kazaa was what did her in (sheds a single tear) the site is full of virus's & other countless uglies I had to put her out of her misery. probably had three thousand files on that site and it just took one to kill her. jsut a friendly warning enough of the lecture though
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Bruce999
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11. August 2005 @ 06:08 |
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jfproulx:
I agree with I8nights, and his concern over the amount of free room on that hard disc. At the best, you are right at the "edge" of having enough room. It is quite possible (perhaps even likely) that the freezing is due to crossing that boundary, and exceeding what is free.
10 GB may seem like a lot, since it is larger than your intended end result. But, if we are talking about a DVD9 (a dual layer original), let us say the original has perhaps 7.0 GB. Double that, since you are going to first rip to one directory, and then try to re-encode to a second directory. Granted, you are probably shrinking on this second pass, so we might expect that you only need 7 GB plus 3.5 GB total, which would puyt us at 10.5. But, even 10.5 GIG free in some cases will not be enough. When the software is working to do that second pass, Windows requires that each individual file have TWICE as much room as the file will require. Copying always begins with a command in Windows to check and see if there is room for the file, plus twice that space for a temporary "swap" file. Then, if there is room, it first copies to the "swap" file, and then verifies that it matches the original, and then finally re-copies it to the permananent new physical file. Twice the room. If Windows does not find enough room to completely this, it will not proceed.
So, if one of those VOBS is 1.3 GB (a very typical situation), we are now in the area of 11.8 GB of necessary free space on a hard drive. I have heard of other reasons that increase the overall "safe zone" to a "boundary" of 13.5, and one claim that you had to have 15 GB. And, some DVDs might get past this on your friend's PC, since the next one might be a DVD-5 single layer, or it might just have less data on it (fewer extras, or a lot of wasted space).
There is no doubt you are skirting the outer boundaries. In fact, I would not expect a DVD9 to work with only 10 GB, since I can see where 11.8 GB is a bare-bones minimum. Whether this is causing the lockups, no one can say for certain. The only way to check it to free up plenty of room, defrag, and then carefully try again, to see if the problem goes away.
Take care,
-Bruce
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jfproulx
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11. August 2005 @ 06:52 |
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I know that if I use DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink My Friend's computer doesn't have enough space. I called them up last night and it is more like 20 gig out of 40 gig available. But again I was able to copy all the movies listed in my first message with DVD Shrink only. I use the latest version of Decrypter and Shrink. I will try to clean the registry.
As for Kazaa, I know it is probably the worst thing for a computer, but as I said, their son is a teenager and really really wants to keep it...and don't worry I have warned them all about the problems it could create...It is not my decision.
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l8nights
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11. August 2005 @ 17:40 |
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hello again personally I think the 20gb's is still a little short but should give you wiggle room for the use of shrink like you said w/ just AnyDVD running in the back ground this ap will allow shrink to do it's thing on the newer copy protection's. but more than one movie is not going to fit(definately defrag first) I don't use a laptop but I try to keep at least a hundred gb's free that way I know the files are not being segmented as this causes skipping and pixelation from time to time in extreme cases. also bruce is correct as far as the space required but there is more there will also be a "work in progress" file that shrink will do the encoding in before it finishes the "final product" file that you will record onto dvd so 20 might be enough to use the any DVD Shrink combo (or DVD43 similar to AnyDVD but free)one title at a time just be sure to defrag before each and everytime!! good luck keep us posted
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poohduck
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14. August 2005 @ 00:29 |
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Hello fellas. I have just started using DVD Shrink myself, and had the exact same fault (analysing konked out at 24% on 2 different systems). DVD Shrink has the answer, and it works: "The most common problem is read errors or copy protection errors with a certain DVD. In this case, using DVD Decrypter usually solves the problem. A guide for using this free tool with DVD Shrink can be found here." And that link is just a walk through on using decrypter.
It does kind of look like a different form of copy protection. Of course they will be working on that. And what program do you think they would target? DVD Shrink is the first program I heard about for copying dvd's.
Ahhhh, conspiracies
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Bruce999
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14. August 2005 @ 18:21 |
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>>>>Hello fellas. I have just started using DVD Shrink myself, and had the exact same fault (analysing konked out at 24% on 2 different systems). DVD shrink has the answer, and it works: "The most common problem is read errors or copy protection errors with a certain DVD. In this case, using DVD Decrypter usually solves the problem. A guide for using this free tool with DVD Shrink can be found here." And that link is just a walk through on using decrypter. <<<<
You did not post the error message, nor the name of the disc, so it is almost impossible to try to determine what happened in your case. However, if it was a CRC error (a cyclic redundancy error), then your best plan to solve it would begin with trying to clean the disc. If that does not work, see if it is a Sony or Columbia or Tristar disc. (If it is, then try one of the rippers that can handle the Sony ArCCos form of copy protection). If not, though, then try DVDdecrypter, and see if it also fails. If it does fail, then try a different drive, to see if that works. If it does not, then consider returning the disc to the store, as it it is probably so scratched / badly damaged that it is beyond any true accurate rip.<<<<
>>>>It does kind of look like a different form of copy protection. <<<
Why would you say this?
To be honest, this scenario (that you have stumbled upon the first discs with a "new" form of copy protection) is probably the least likely conclusion.
>>>>Of course they will be working on that. <<<<
Who do you mean by "they"? (I guess I am confused, here...)
>>>>>And what program do you think they would target? DVD shrink is the first program I heard about for copying dvd's. <<<<
DVDShrink is popular, but you could have just as easily heard about many, many others (DVDDecrypter, or Clone, or Fab, or DVD43, or XCopy, or AnyDVD, etc. etc., ad nauseum...)
-Bruce
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