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DVD+r vs DVD-R
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theridges
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9. August 2005 @ 18:26 |
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brobear
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9. August 2005 @ 19:08 |
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From the log there is an obvious problem. DMA Off is listed for the Sony. That causes slow operation. Go into the Device Manager in Control Panel and set the DMA back on. There's a couple of ways of doing it, an easy one is to delete the Secondary IDE channel and reboot the PC. Then recheck to see if you have DMA on for the Sony Drive.
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brobear
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9. August 2005 @ 19:46 |
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As for media, +R is a favorite, mostly because my drive handles it a bit better. Bitsetting is only needed where you fear a compatibility problem. Only the older players won't play plus and minus R. Since -R was the first recordable format, there are some players that only support up to that format. Newer players support almost anything round. My Philips player even handles CDs.
All too often I hear people naming DVD brands, good and bad. Strange, sometimes one person will say a brand is excellent, to be followed by another saying the same media sucks because it is sold by a different brand. Case in point; MCC (Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation) media is sold under several brand names. The Verbatim MCC media is good, as is the Sony; but then I hear HP is bad. Strange as HP in the 4X and 8X are MCC manufactured. MCC manufactures the media for different brands, often the same except for the label as is the case with HP.
Another strange twist is with the CMC manufactured media. Memorex sucks because they sell CMC Magnetics manufactured media. Does that mean Verbatim, Samsung, Imation, Philips and others suck because they sell CMC products as well. To be fair, Memorex got the bad name because they sold the CMC across the board for most of their offerings in different formats. Up until last year, the +R Memorex was still safe, much of it was Ricoh media (a personal favorite). Just a note, Ricoh manufactured a lot of media for the big name brands. Back to CMC, you can't say a brand sucks just because they have an offering by the manufacturer. If it is pervasive in the brand, then maybe.
Philips is another situation. Philips the brand can be different from Philips the manufacturer. I've had good luck with Memorex RW media made by Philips. (I even had good luck with Memorex +R by Ricoh, though no longer available.) Back to Philips, besides the Philips generic a bunch of the older Philips brand was made by MCC and Ricoh. I'm not sure who is supplying it now. However, some of the RW was made by CMC. Just goes to show where CMC can show up.
Another interesting situation is considering where an item is manufactured. Japan makes some good media no doubt. But it appears Taiwan is the capital for manufacturing DVD media. I think there is a production unit in every backroom. I've heard it said Taiwan makes some of the worst media. As a lot of people are aware, they also make some of the best media in the world. For the longest, Ritek was enjoying a favored spot on the forums. Ricoh, though not known as well under its generic brand has garnered popularity under the other big name brands in +R media. I've used the Sony from both Japan and Taiwan and found no difference in quality. Many good name brands are made in Taiwan. It just pays to be a good consumer and be aware of what's being purchased.
For anyone wanting to even try to keep up with the maddening mess, they need a decent app for checking the manufacturer codes on recordable media and some databases to search for cross referencing. DVD Identifier and DVDInfoPro are a couple of good freeware apps. Nero and some of the other recording suites have utilities that will ID the code on media. Now that you're more confused, good luck. At least now you know it is confusing and you have to pay attention to manufacturer as well as brand name. It still pays to buy the branded media, just try to keep up with who made it. Likewise, when referring to media, mention the manufacturer as well as the brand, just so we have a clue as to what you're talking about. An example is the Philips by CMC didn't do too well, but the Philips generic (made by Philips) performed well.
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brobear
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9. August 2005 @ 19:55 |
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+ or -R media? That depends most on the quality of the manufacturer, though a lot of information is being supplied to show the +R is garnering a more favored position.
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10. August 2005 @ 05:27 |
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nevermind, alredy answered. I didn't read far enough in posts.
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Burn1234
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10. August 2005 @ 06:10 |
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wont deleting the Secondary IDE channel cause the cdroms to not show up at all?
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10. August 2005 @ 06:28 |
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Burn1234
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10. August 2005 @ 11:05 |
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Thank you guys so much! anyone wanna buy some memorex dvd+r's? haha ;)
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10. August 2005 @ 11:25 |
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The Grand American Skeet Shooting championships should be coming up. You may want to send them there! LOL
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brobear
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10. August 2005 @ 12:43 |
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Quote:
wont deleting the Secondary IDE channel cause the cdroms to not show up at all?
No. The system is plug and play. When you reboot the PC, the system will pick it back up and the drive will come back on with DMA on. You reboot immediately after deleting the channel.
Mort,
If you notice, the key instruction for getting a system back to DMA on is:Quote:
If any are PIO or stepdown dma you need to un-install the channel (right click on the channel and choose uninstall) and re-boot.
Uninstall... Delete... sort of says the same thing. Ireland gave a step by step on how to get there if one is unfamiliar with Windows.
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brobear
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10. August 2005 @ 12:45 |
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What's the manufacturer ID code on those Memorex? If CMC, you can still use them for data storage. Then of course there is the skeet range... or...
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dzuldare
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26. August 2005 @ 20:06 |
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hello, how do i know if my dvd burner has "book type" capabilites?
what exactly is "book type" good for?
when you make one of those dvd-rom(i think) dose that mean that 100% of dvd players will recignize the copyed dvd, unlike the "93% of DVD-R?
what about ps2 back ups , if you make the ps2 back up a dvd-rom ,then you don't need a mod chip or swap magic?
joe
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idied2day
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26. August 2005 @ 23:51 |
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well i have a ? i am new to all of this but i am useing maxell right now just because i knew no better how good or bad is this brand
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nycdude
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27. August 2005 @ 00:11 |
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DVD-R is only thing I use for backing up movies. The DVD+R will not work in my older player. :(
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movies27
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27. August 2005 @ 01:06 |
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I use -r myself because it seems to work better than +r in my player ...using +r that was booktyped would sometimes pause upon playback but after rewinding it & playing that part again it would play right thru it..so i switched to -r & the play all the way thru everytime.
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movies27
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27. August 2005 @ 01:07 |
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@ idied2day ..maxell media is the only media i use right now it's some top notch media.
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idied2day
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27. August 2005 @ 01:27 |
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thanks for the info helps me to know what i am useing
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27. August 2005 @ 02:08 |
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I use DVD+R cause u can burn faster and also DVD-R doesn't play in my dvd player. I only did it with TDk dvds but this is the dvd player i have Toshiba SDK620. It should read DVD-R but it doesn't.
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27. August 2005 @ 03:35 |
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i use -r because +r wont play backups on my xbox i brought a pack of + used one and there been sitting on top of me wardrobe for 6 months now
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27. August 2005 @ 03:46 |
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dzuldare,
What make and model dvdrw do you have? Bitsetting/booktyping DVD+R media tricks the stand-alone dvd player into thinking the disc is dvd-rom format. Dvd-rom in most cases is the most compatable format with stand-alone dvd players. I don't have a PS2 and can't answer that question. Check in the PS2 forum.
Mort
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brobear
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28. August 2005 @ 21:27 |
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If you have antiquated equipment, then you may need bitsetting, aka booktyping. Mort fairly well described it, fooling the standalone into thinking a backup is a DVD ROM. Players are supposed to be 100% DVD ROM compatible. The first recordables were the -R, shortly followed by +R. Then you had either/or and the combos, and still holdover to the ROM only (we still see this). So there was just a brief period where most players weren't set for +R. After all, the R&D wasn't clairvoyant, they only set the firmware for what was available. If you check around, you'll find that if +R isn't the most favorite format, it sure isn't behind the minus R in popularity and use. In the not so distant past I noticed even the cheap players are now set up to play most things round. I have a good player for less than $60 that plays RW, CD, SVCD, VCD, MP3, Divx as well as the +/-R and it could care less about whether it's reading plus or minus format. If bitsetting was that important, then it would be a required feature on all burners instead of just a few.
As for PS2... If it were only as easy as bitsetting... It would be a lot easier, and cheaper to get a burner that could booktype than mod the PS2. So, no such luck. As mentioned, check in the game section on those problems.
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brobear
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28. August 2005 @ 21:42 |
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Maxell media? You have Taiyo Yuden, Mitsubishi, Ricoh and Hitachi Maxell produced Maxell media. There may be others currently supplying the brand. Will the bad Maxell please stand up? The first 3 listed are top names in manufacturing DVD recordable media. The house brand, Hitachi Maxell, is one I'm not that familiar with, but I've not heard any outrageous complaints about it, as is the case with Memorex and the CMC Magnetics media.
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29. August 2005 @ 00:53 |
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I did a dvd indentifier test to see who made the media I use, turns out Ricoh is the main one. I always get good results with the +RW media, so I stick to it.
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brokenss
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29. August 2005 @ 10:35 |
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First off Im really new to all of this. Im getting the same error as the guy above and I am using a new pioneer drive. Im using Fuji DVD-R. The odd thing about my error message is I only get it when burning dvds. I have tried burning Natural Born Killers like 4 times in a row but when I finally gave up ad tried Fear and Loathing it worked. If this had anything to do with any technical setting why would it be selective on which dvd I can and cant burn? Im using DVD Shrink and Nero.
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brobear
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29. August 2005 @ 13:03 |
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Encryption, Encryption, Encryption... New encryptions have cropped up over the past year. DVD Shrink's encryption software hasn't been updated in over a year. Ergo, DVD Shrink will not decrypt the movies with newer encryption systems. Therefore, it can't transcode them. Ripping with DVD Decrypter or using AnyDVD has been known to take care of that problem. Other than that, I'd just guess a problematic individual disc. Try using AnyDVD, http://www.slysoft.com, being sure to read up on it at the slysoft site. There's a 3 week trial. The DVD Decrypter is downloadable here at AD and is freeware. So far DVD Decrypter is working fine, though it now has no future support.
The testimonials are almost endless about no movie yet being unrecordable using Shrink with a good decryption software and burner. I've found the key is getting the good source from the encryption software. Of course a good encoding or transcoding algorithm is necessary for quality, especially if the compression is very high.
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