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brobear
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28. September 2004 @ 04:32 |
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Well, just to keep the show going and give the viewers some more interesting info, here is a list of just the brands that Ricoh supplies. These are European as well as North American. In fact these are courtesy of a German group. I find it amazing that these corporate entities would pay more for a product if they could get it cheaper from the same factory at a lower cost. After all, they could just as easily sell the Ritek as the Ricoh. Here's the list:
Ricoh
DVD+RW
EMTEC
DVD+RW
Sony
DVD+RW
Memorex
DVD+RW
RiDATA
DVD+RW
Fuji
DVD+RW
Traxdata
DVD+RW
Hi-SPACE, MPO
DVD+RW
PrimeDisc
DVD+RW
Imation
DVD+RW
PrimeDisc
DVD+RW
Sentinel
DVD+R
Tevion (Medion)
DVD+R
Memorex
DVD+R
SPEER Data
DVD+R
TDK
DVD+R
Traxdata
DVD+R
SPEER Data
DVD+R
Philips
DVD+R
Ricoh
DVD+R
Tevion (Medion)
DVD+R
PrimeDisc
DVD+R
EMTEC
DVD+R
Fuji
DVD+R
Sony
DVD+R
Maxell
DVD+R
PrimeDisc
DVD+R
Memorex
DVD+R
Nashua
DVD+R
SK
DVD+R
StorQuest
DVD+R
Imation
DVD+R
Ultron
DVD+R
Sky
DVD+R
Gut & Billig (Marktkauf)
DVD+R
Platinum
DVD+R
All +R and +RW media in this group. Here's the URL for the site I got this from, wouldn't want you to think I just did this as a personal compilation.
http://www.mediamatch.de/showdvdhersteller.php
Just adding a note: The list can't be complete as Ricoh also produces discs for Verbatim.
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brobear
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28. September 2004 @ 04:48 |
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That was a long one so I decided to give the listing of the "lower priced" Riteks in another post. Seems like the lower cost items are being sold as some high priced brands. Maybe you have something right there about the brands not wanting the public to be aware of the manufacturer. Here's the list and note some of those brands other than the Generic/Branded Riteks.
Traxdata
DVD-R General Use
SPEER Data
DVD-R General Use
PrimeDisc
DVD-R General Use
Ritek
DVD-R General Use
Octron
DVD-R General Use
RiDATA
DVD-R General Use
PRIMEON
DVD-R General Use
HIGHdenzity
DVD-R General Use
Ultron
DVD-R General Use
Seiko
DVD-R General Use
Intenso
DVD-R General Use
PrimeDisc
DVD-R General Use
Hi-SPACE, MPO
DVD-R General Use
Memorex
DVD-R General Use
PRIMEON
DVD-RW
4,7 GB / Single Sided
Traxdata
DVD-RW
PrimeDisc
DVD-RW
PrimeDisc
DVD+R
Traxdata
DVD+R
Tevion (Medion)
DVD+R
Ritek
DVD+R
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28. September 2004 @ 05:06 |
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So all those discs are made by that one manufacurer... This is getting extremely confusing!!
I really hate to break up the show, but this begs the question...
What media brands are assured of quality?
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brobear
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28. September 2004 @ 05:14 |
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StinHambo
I think we got the thread back on track about media. Thanks for your input. Now I think you can see just a minor portion of the information that causes the confusion and the fact that the companies do nothing to alleviate the confusion. As you can see here there is no show or mention of Ricoh and Ritek being in alliance. All it shows are some Ricohs being sold under Ritek names; i.e. RiData and the TraxData which is often associated with Ritek. The latter may just be a consumer misunderstanding but RiData is sold as a RiTek brand, or at least it is in North America. I hear there is some dispute over that in the UK in some circles. Any questions on that one and you can take a look at one of the largest authorized Ritek dealers in the US. www.meritline.com They're advertising Ritek-RiData on the front page.
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StinHambo
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28. September 2004 @ 05:19 |
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There is no confusion about Ridata and Ritek, just that Ridata was supposed to be a US brand and the fact that another distributor has added confusion by adding the word Disc and Media to the end instead of Data...
These have no affiliation to Ritek as far as ownership is concerned as far as I'm aware although they if it is based on their media it is most probably based on Ritek graded stock.
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brobear
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28. September 2004 @ 05:27 |
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A lot of the ones listed in both groups can be trusted for quality. What you have to watch out for is companies changing manufacturers or using so many you have no idea what you're getting. Notice the Ricoh is +R, +RW. For example, purchasing Maxell, Imation, TDK, Fuji, and Ricoh are a safe bet currently. You'll probably find several of the others that are consistently +R Ricoh as well. There are some that can't be trusted though, such as Memorex; they switched to CMC for a lot of their +R and -R media. With the Ritek you can do the same thing, find a brand consistently Ritek, as well as the Ritek branded discs which are a sure thing (they're Ricoh or Ritek). These may not be the top of the line in some people's book, but if you shop around, Ricohs and Riteks are some of the best discs for the price and are a superior item compared to a lot of the merchandise on the market.
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28. September 2004 @ 05:43 |
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StinHambo
The RiData is recognized as a brand and some of their discs were branded RiDisc and were Ritek G04 DVD -R.
The RiData +RW was branded RiData and was a Ricoh disc.
http://www.mediamatch.de/showdvdhersteller.php
Seems there still appears to be a bit of confusion. The company had the RiDisc label applied to the RiData disk manufactured by Ritek. From the sounds of things, there were some unscrupulous characters using the RiDisc name if they weren't selling Ritek discs under the RiDisc label.
Another note, the reference I listed is from Germany again. So the RiData RiDisc was on the European market as well as the North American market. Sounds like you may have gotten caught by some scam artists in the UK. As you know, there are always crooks selling bogus merchandise.
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28. September 2004 @ 06:10 |
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brobear
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28. September 2004 @ 06:16 |
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StinHambo,
Noticed your mention of graded stock in association with the RiData RiDiscs. According to the American sales group for Ritek, these were first quality overstock merchandise and RiData was a bulk sale to move the merchandise. Unless they lied or recent tactics have changed, the RiData should be as good as the branded Riteks, at least according to Ritek's North American subsidiary. You can call them liars if you wish, it's nothing to me; I don't work for any sales groups. Other than the occasional complaint, which even comes with branded Ritek, there doesn't seem to be any legitimate claims of inferior quality.
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brobear
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28. September 2004 @ 06:23 |
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The Ritek Ricoh discussion between StinHambo and myself had more to do with her association with Conrexx and the alliance she states is present between Ricoh and Ritek. This was more oriented toward the companies keeping the consumers in the dark. As an insider she was shedding a light on the situation from her perspective. Just a coincidence it concerned outsourcing as well. It's hard to talk about any media without outsourcing coming into the discussion.
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brobear
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28. September 2004 @ 06:27 |
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Guess I've made enough general statements, I'll just get on out of here and let someone else do some posting. You all have fun. My little fingers are getting too sore to continue.
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28. September 2004 @ 06:29 |
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I'm with you on the MCC being of questionable quality, I purchased two spindles of 50 4X MCC 002 (Verbatim label) and about two from each spindle were coasters. I bought two spindles of 100 4X Ridata (ID RICOHJPN) and I've finised the first 100 without a single coaster. My Plextor PX-712A seems to really like the RICOH, I even have the option of burning the 4X media at 8X. I did a few and then preformed the PI/PO tests with only a few PI errors and 0 PO errors.
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StinHambo
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28. September 2004 @ 08:07 |
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Her opinion? Are you calling me a her Brobear?
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28. September 2004 @ 09:27 |
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Yeah, take a break brobear, your fingers must be absolutely numb!!!
On the media topic debate, I only the brands TDK and imation for DVDs, and TDK/Verbatim/Imation for CD-Rs.
I think that puts me in the clear!!
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brobear
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28. September 2004 @ 13:45 |
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StinHambo
If I got the gender incorrect, excuse me. I was just going by what was previously mentioned. I don't believe gender is an issue. It was a gender neutral conversation. You can be one of the guys or one of the girls on here, who knows? Me, I'm one of the guys as bro implies. Since you only questioned and didn't say, which is it, male or female?
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29. September 2004 @ 00:45 |
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Brobear
Stop saying that Ridisc is the same as Ridata. Ridata is a trademark of Ritek Corporation and Ridisc is not.
While Ridisc so far has been based on Ritek discs there is no guarantee that they are A-grade since they are not bought from an official distributor.
I told you already once to contact Ritek instead of taking the word of that german site.
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jase
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29. September 2004 @ 01:00 |
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Ridisc is an e-net brandname isn't it? Along with Rivision as well.
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brobear
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29. September 2004 @ 02:27 |
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Londor,
I can repeat what reputable sources say. I gave the link for the data. If you have a disagreement, take it up with them and not me. I would much prefer listening to professionals than you.
As far as contacting people I have. My only question is, have you learned to do anything other than quote Mr Wang verbatim? If you have any disagreements take them up with the people that posted the data in the links. You can go about debunking them if you will. I could care less about your juvenile antics and trying to sucker me into an argument. Sorry, it won't work today.
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brobear
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29. September 2004 @ 02:29 |
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PS Tell your buddy totos I said hello.
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brobear
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29. September 2004 @ 03:25 |
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I'll just take time to give the sites and their contact info as these are good media sites and reputable sales people and businesses. You can safely buy good merchandise from Meritline and SVP without being ripped off. In fact I've noticed Londor recommending Meritline to the North American consumers. Seems he knows his vendors. Any disagreements over any sites and vendors, take it up with them. I'm only recommending companies with a good guarantee and track record and media groups with a good record.
http://www.meritline.com
1-888-668-6660
Meritline's toll free number for contact purposes. No email as they don't like miscommunications.
info@instantinfo.de
http://www.mediamatch.de/medien.php
This is the site with the media along with contact info in case anyone wants to send an email calling them liars or inquire about where they get their information.
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
You're welcome to contact this one. Nephilim seems to think it is reliable. You can discuss that with him.
http://www.blankdiscshop.co.uk/
mailto:sales@svp.co.uk
The UK associate of Meritline, SVP, not Conrexx. SVP appears to service a lot of European markets. I hear a rumor there is something of a turf war on media going on in the UK. I heard some vendors and sales people were even going on forums to set up sales and try to influence the market (Rumors, so I can't attest to the truth of the matter. Maybe Londor can tell us what Mr Wang has to say.). Meritline is also a big dealer in a lot of countries including Australia. These people would probably be glad to talk to you if you want to contact them.
If I have lead anyone astray, you can see where I got some of the information. Anyone is welcome to call any of them liars if they wish. After all, this is a forum. If you have a disagreement it is with them and not me, except that I presented information presented by professionals and not just quotes from forums.
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29. September 2004 @ 03:50 |
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Jase
You're right, I heard Enet was using a disc labeled RiDisc to rip off consumers. Also, I have found reliable data showing that RiData had a disc labeled RiDisc which was a G04 -R disc manufactured by Ritek. One does not preclude the other.
Those poor quality "Mountain-Stream" discs that were being hawked in the UK as new high quality Ritek is ample proof of what some unscrupulous vendors will do to make a buck. Ritek said those were intended for 3rd world markets for a cheap and affordable data storage media (intentional low quality cheap media). Some scammers diverted some of those into the UK market to rip off the unwary consumer. Fortunately, the North American market didn't suffer the same scams. We have our own varieties to worry about.
Appears we are starting to repeat ourselves. HomerJ brought up the scams which is the reason this thread started. If you want to read about ripoffs, just go back to the beginning of the thread. I'm sure there have been ripoffs and scams in the UK and there will be more in the future. If the thread starts repeating itself too much or getting too far off topic, I've noticed they have started doing some closings.
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StinHambo
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29. September 2004 @ 03:58 |
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Without slagging off anyone, SVP source the majority of their products from e-N*t and they are known to cut corners all the time.
Maybe SVP unintentionally sells low grade media as A grade? Like Ritek Orange disk, weren't they Mountain and Water with an orange overprint and sold as A Grade?
PS. Brobear, you have just promoted several companies which goes against what you were saying earlier...
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29. September 2004 @ 04:04 |
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So some Ridisc media sounds like cheap rubbish then? Wow, this is confusing! Do many people buy cheap media then? I always usually adopt the "you get what you pay for" rule. it seems to give good results, just at a slight extra cost.I don't burn a vast amount of media, so i can afford to get decent quality discs...
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29. September 2004 @ 04:17 |
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StinHambo
There's a difference between recommending a reliable source for fellow members as opposed to coming on a forum and hawking ones merchandise for personal gain. As an employee of Conrexx and your livelihood depending on sales through that company, I can see why you would want to slag off any of the competition.
As a person not employed by any media companies, I can make a recommendation and it will be just that. When company employees come into a forum, it is usually due to vested interests. I've always enjoyed watching people with business interests trying to save us from their competition. When you combine reputable competitive dealers with the scammers, you start to muddy the waters in your own favor.
Since there is a turf war going on between SVP and Conrexx I believe we can take the evaluation with a "grain of salt". To make it fair play, I would also question those who would be slagging off Conrexx in favor of SVP. In the end it will be the consumers who will decide. I've seen this thread used as a mouthpiece for vendors far too much.
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29. September 2004 @ 04:27 |
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Not surprising really, when you consider the topic matter and the debate over which types of media are better or more reliable than others etc... it's a recipe for trouble...
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