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DVD Shrink not shrinking enough
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kranberry
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24. October 2005 @ 04:37 |
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Hi,
I am trying to backup Sahara. I used DVD Decryptor to rip the movie to HD.
When I run DVD Shrink, it analyzes the movie and shrinks it to 4,678 MB, which exceeds the 4,464 MB limit. I get a message saying that it will not fit on a regular DVD.
This has never happened before. It will also not let me manually adjust the compression. The lower limit (using the slider) is the original. If I enter a lower number, it is ignored.
Has anyone else seen this problem? Is there a way to shrink it a bit more (other than removing features)?
Thanks,
K
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chewbkka
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24. October 2005 @ 04:42 |
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On DVD Shrink hit edit then preferences, were you hit DVD-5 for 4.7 g. I burned Sahara with this and everything was ok. close the box and it should be ok
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kranberry
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24. October 2005 @ 04:58 |
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Did you get the message that the current DVD size is too big? If I click OK, will it still fit?
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chewbkka
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24. October 2005 @ 05:23 |
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I burned it as a whole disc, 4.7gb and it came out perfect no problems. I hope this helps so click ok and continue to burn the dvd.
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24. October 2005 @ 05:29 |
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@kranberry
When you go into DvdShrink to to Edit and settings. Change the drop down box to custom and set the target size to 4300. This will keep you from burning to close to the edges and shrink to the proper size.
Good Luck
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kranberry
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24. October 2005 @ 07:00 |
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Hi,
Didn't work. I went ahead and create the ISO image, but Nero said it would not fit on the DVD.
In DVD Shrink, I changed the size to 4300, but all it did was move the green bar down to 4300 and it still said the movie would take 4671 MB.
I have not had this problem before. Any ideas what could be causing this to be locked on the bigger number and ignoring the options I set?
Thanks,
K
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24. October 2005 @ 07:08 |
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@kranberry
Does Shrink indicate the compression ratio? If you set the target to 4300 shrink will shrink it to that target, even if the actual movie size is larger. I see this all the time. My target is 4300, and the movie is 4800 to 6000mbs. Shrink does her job and decrypter burns it to 4300 with the proper compression levels.
I am not familiar with Nero as I don't use it, so I do not know why it would react the way that it is doing. I would think that if you have set the target in Nero and used shrink it should act the same as decryptor.
Keep us posted.
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temj
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24. October 2005 @ 07:15 |
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kranberry
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24. October 2005 @ 07:22 |
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The compression ratio says 50.3% (under Automatic). If I try to limit the size to 4,300 MB, it still says 50.3% and indicaztes the movie is too big (at 4,671 MB).
If I change the ratio to Custom Ratio and set it to 25% (for example), nothing changes.
While I could delete some stuff, I was hoping to backup the entire disk.
I have not seen this problem before, even with DVD's well over the 4,464 MB limit (since DVD Shrink has always compressed it automatically).
Is there a setting that I accidently set or is there an optino I am missing?
Could it be the original files on my HD that came from DVD Decryptor? Could it have done something different?
Thanks for being patient with me. I hope we can solve this problem.
K
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24. October 2005 @ 07:35 |
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@kranberry
From what I am understanding, shrink will shrink to 4300 w/compression at 50.3%. Will your burn program burn it? I'd try to burn it and see how it goes. If that fails maybe you should try a DVD9 and burn it DL.
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temj
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24. October 2005 @ 07:58 |
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%50.3 compression rate is horrible and even if you were to successfully burn it at that high of compression rate, do you realize what the playback quality would be like? Take off some unwanted audio streams, etc. or better yet "Re-author" it only putting the main movie on it.
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A_Klingon
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24. October 2005 @ 08:00 |
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I have, on occassion, come across a DVD that DVDShrink couldn't quite squeeze down to 4.36 (i.e. "4.7" gb), which is usually a disc that contains an LPCM soundtrack as well as the usual DD tracks, and maybe a DTS track as well. But I have an alternate solution which works for me:
Just re-encode a second time. (re-encode the first encode).
1. Rip the disc to your hdd.
2. Shrink it down to whatever Shrink can manage on the first pass.
3. Close Shrink. Re-open Shrink.
4. Load-in the files from the folder you just Shrunk the DVD into.
5. Re-Shrink it again.
You should be within 4.36 gb now. (You might suffer a bit of video degradation perhaps, but that's the price of including ALL soundtracks, menus, extras, etc.) In general, if you dump the LCPM track (or even the DTS one), one pass will usually do the trick.
I have even encoded several times this way (four passes actually) to scrunch THREE different movies onto a single-layer blank. (No menus).
Hope this helps!
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24. October 2005 @ 08:04 |
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kranberry states:
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While I could delete some stuff, I was hoping to backup the entire disk.
I agree with temj - take some stuff off. Should you choose not to your dvd will suffer.
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kranberry
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24. October 2005 @ 10:11 |
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I have a question about the audio tracks. The main title has the following:
AC3 5.1-ch English
AC3 2-ch English
AC3 2-ch French
AC3 2-ch English
AC3 2-ch English
Which of these can be deleted? Do I need any of them except the first one?
Thanks,
K
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kranberry
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24. October 2005 @ 10:12 |
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A_Klingon,
How do I shrink the DVD to anything but an ISO file? Is there an option to save as VIDEO_TS files?
Thanks,
K
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AfterDawn Addict
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24. October 2005 @ 10:33 |
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kranberry
You can get rid of all the audio except AC3 5.1-ch English
Good Luck
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24. October 2005 @ 13:48 |
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@kranberry
When you hit the backup button after you made all your choices and are ready to shrink the target device tab has the box to check create audio and video_TS files. You can rip to hard drive as ISO, then open ISO and shrink as Video_TS, then use your burn program.
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24. October 2005 @ 16:21 |
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All the other audios are commentary. So it's really all up to you. And "subpicture" is subtitles. You can take out French; unless you speak French, if that's the case then kudos to you on learning English and writing it so well. I usually compress "Extras" and "Menu" as far as I can to preserve the main movie's quality. If you're worried about 50% compression then tick the "deep analasis" box and set the thing, under quality tab, to smooth or Max smoothness.
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A_Klingon
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24. October 2005 @ 23:26 |
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kranberry,
As suggested, the 5.1 AC3 English soundtrack is usually the only one you will need if English is your preferred language. 99% of my rips only include this one sountrack. At your option, you can just uncheck the little boxes for every other language and save a huge pile of disc space.
You could simply encode to an ISO image file, but just use the little drop-down menu to select "File Mode". You will get a full set of .IFO, .BUP and .VOB files, which are fully DVD compliant.
If, after the first pass, you are over 4.36 Gb, you will have to reload the encode you just produced. (Make a second pass). In general, pass #2 will usually do the trick. I always leave Shrink in the "Automatic" mode for compression-ratio. That is, I let Shrink automaticaly choose whatever maximum compression it deems necessary.
Don't worry if you have a lot of "red bar" (oversize) info with your encode. Go ahead and encode it anyway. The next pass you do will likely produce an all-green (within limit) bar on top.
Just for the simple hell-of-it, I am going all-out and attempting to compress no less than FIVE dvds (all content, all extras but no menus) onto a single-layer blank! (The Beatles "Anthology" box-set - something like 10+ hours of video content!). Yes, massive wholesale compression is going to be required meaning that the video quality will be truly awful, but I'm doing this just as a "fun test" and will be burning it to a DVD-RW rewriteable anyway.
The first shrink pass took over 11 HOURS (!) to complete! (I just set the thing up before I went to work. When I got home, the thing was still chugging away). Shrink initially produced a first-pass output size of 12 GB!
It should be interesting to see how many passes will be required overall (each pass will require less time to encode than the one before it), to bring everything down to 4.36 gb, and see what the final video-quality will look like, but as I say, this is just a "for-fun" type of thing. If you choose a more normal two-passes for your BIG original dvd, you should have few problems.
I have made well-over 1,000 DVD-Shrink'd discs. :-)
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 24. October 2005 @ 23:27
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kranberry
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25. October 2005 @ 11:42 |
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Hi,
I have tried it both ways.
First I removed all of the audio tracks (except the primary one) in order to shrink it down to fit on a DVD.
Second, thanks to A_Klingon's help, I was able to shrink the whole thing twice in order to fit it on a DVD.
When I get time, I will try to compare the two to see if there is much difference.
Thank you for all of your help.
K
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A_Klingon
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25. October 2005 @ 19:58 |
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Terrific !! :-)
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26. October 2005 @ 14:26 |
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Hi kranberry
After you've compared the 2 could you come back and tell me teh diff? I've never had time (nor patience) to compare 2 movies and watch them back to back.
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BaNaKa
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4. November 2005 @ 19:44 |
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