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Nvideas rsx pipelines vs 360 ATI pipelines 360 core vs ps3 cell
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18. January 2006 @ 08:13 |
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no, i am not.
and you need to just shut up cuz i remember you saying the rsx was 32 bit. you are the most unreliable source of information i know.
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and kookoo you are forgeting about the memory bit architecture.
the RSX has a 32 bit architecture, whilst the Xenon has a 64 bit architecture. Because of this the Xenon can handle more things at once and offer support and more features on its chip.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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18. January 2006 @ 08:18 |
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I would advise the athlon 64 x2 3800+, which with a good enough (not extreme...) heatsink will do some high speeds e.g. they easily clock to 2.5ghz per core, which will help in newer multi-threaded games and apps... Single core is not worth buying into unless you don't have the budget.
Go 2gb of ddr400, anything more is pointless overkill that might get you 1fps more for hundreds of pounds...
Wait for the X1900XT from ATi, then get two, out in a week or two...
For motherboard I would eitehr wait for ATis new chipset or go with their current one. Both are very good.
Currently nvidia arent worth it...
I can put this and everything else in a case, put a warranty on it of 2 years and overclock it for you... About £1600 to £1700 inc del...
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18. January 2006 @ 08:19 |
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if you have the cash, then the x2 is good. do they have a san diego core x2?
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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18. January 2006 @ 08:27 |
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The cores are named differantly but the base of the design is teh same. The x2 3800+ has two 512k caches as opposed to the bigger ones that cost about £120 more that have 2x 1mb cache, but the difference it makes is minescule. It's not worth it.
The 3800 x2 clocks extremely well..
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18. January 2006 @ 08:32 |
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there is more to the core. the chip is the same but the core models are different. the san diego is less overheating and is perfect for overclockers.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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18. January 2006 @ 08:43 |
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The venice is san diagos equal.... and all of AMD's current cores overclock extremely well... San Diego is only seen as good as it is cheap and is 90nm and has plenty of cache, it is not special for overclocking or anything... they all are based on the same core...
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TruthMan
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18. January 2006 @ 08:57 |
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anubis, when i said 32 bit architecture (ages ago) i said that because i thought that kookoo knew i was talking about the *memory* architecture.
not the overall architecture, TSK TSK*
the RSX's MEMORY architecture is 32 bit. the rest is the same as Xenon. jees...
and im unrealiable. why?
justification.
i know how this technology works, and all i do is tell people how it works. I tell them whats is the best at the min, or best at certain things etc. what dont you understand huh.
im sorry if what i know about the technology upsets you but its technologically corrent and true. thats HOW IT WORKS and theres nothing we can do about it.
so *IF* something is better than what you like/have you are just in total denial about it. your one of those epeople who CANNOT handle the truth.
now i know why some people say that to other people because in cases similar to this, its 100% CORRECT.
just accept it, and that one WHOLE LOT of arguing solved.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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18. January 2006 @ 09:26 |
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the rsx outperforms the xenos, incase you had no clue.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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18. January 2006 @ 09:40 |
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It has been categorically said by many devs and by ATi that the Xenos is considerably more advanced and has a higher performance than the rsx. Go learn to understand these things...
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18. January 2006 @ 09:44 |
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you accept something from ati themselves? right. reliable huh.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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18. January 2006 @ 09:50 |
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From ATi, my own knowledge (which is superior to most, including yours) and the devs I have spoken to who are coding multi-platform. The Xenos was designed from the ground up to be the perfect GPU for console gaming... The RSX is just G70+....
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18. January 2006 @ 09:53 |
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they have not even worked witht the rsx, they worked with the 7800 from the devs, thats all they know.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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18. January 2006 @ 09:59 |
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The rsx is just an overclocked 7800... DUH, how lame can you be. Just accept what every dev, every article and every person who knows more than you has said. Stop sucking up to Sony and nVidia...
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TehVince
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18. January 2006 @ 10:04 |
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If the Xenos didn't suck it would look better than my 7800GTX. Guess what, it doesn't. Every game on the Xbox 360 looks like shit. Except Gears of War. I guess Call of Duty looks OK. Much better on my computer. Besides, And guy saying all AMD cores are the same, you're an idiot. Every core is different to an extent. Yes, the Venice and the San Diego core's are the same other than the L2 cache, but they're not all the same. The San Diego and Venice are so special because they include the revised memory controllers and are of the 90nm process. The L2 cache brings slightly more performance to the table in games, but not much. Both these CPU's overclock extremely well. Also Xenos cant AA for shit. Have you even looked at shadows and background images in the games? It's like they didnt even bother with them.
AMD 3700 Rev E San Diego 2.8GHz 280x10 stock cooler (xp90c w/ Tornado soon), Mushkin XP4000 Redline 1GB, eVGA 7800GT CO edition 24x8 500/1250, Antec P180 5X120mm fan's 2x80mm fan's, Antec True Power II 550, 74GB 10K Raptor.
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vzero
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18. January 2006 @ 10:15 |
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You are a complete moron. I know I know more than you and I am sick of argueing with idiots. The games on 360 look extremely good, the metal in Kameo for instance is super realistic, better than any PC game. I do not care what your eyes and mind misenterprit, I know because I am more intelligent, moe knowledgeable and have served longer in this field of electronics than you have. Stop acting like some uppity kid and admit your mistakes.
Oh and BTW you should talk to an AMD engineer. The latest cores are all almost exactly the same. And all the new X2's also have extended memory controllers. Do not think I do not know these things - I do all of this for a living, not a hobby. You people really get on my nerves sometimes. You all have opinions but I doubt even one of you works at any depth in teh industry or knows closely anybody who does. So shut up because your opinion is good for nothign but getting people annoyed because of your lack of knowledge and reasoning.
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18. January 2006 @ 10:34 |
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Dudes, the xdr ram is hitting this year. Yes this year. Toshiba already said this. It will run at 4.2ghz with 512 mb. It will hit shortly after the ps3. Ps3 also has this memory. Ok maybe a 128bit processor went over limit, but then 64x2 would sound just arround right.
And whats all this fuze with nVidia.
The 7800gtx is currently the best.
And the new ATI comming out IS suppose to compete with the Geforece 71 line and g8 line, and it will loose tremendesly since its releasing really soon.
Im expecting this ram to hit expecially when the minuum ram for widows vista is 1gb of ddr... when it runs perfectly.
You all can go on, im not gonna waste my time argueing the rsx n e more... :P
Truthman, how in the world do you know that the cell is 32bit?
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18. January 2006 @ 10:41 |
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And oo yes, i am using P5 a code name. Not actual name. It should be called p5...it went p p2 p3 p4, why not p5? Windows 2000 was based on windows nt tech, and windows 98 aswell. But it continued.
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vzero
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18. January 2006 @ 10:52 |
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Intel have stated that they are dropping the Pentium naming scheme... Oh and BTW ATi currently have the best card overall on the market, not nVidia. It is called the x1800xt and is the fastest card currently available in both video and graphics processing...
X1800XTX may well be as fast as G71, and it will be out in about a wekk or ten days... ATi will also have a refresher product ready to counter any G71 lead. This round is going ATi's way because the architechture nVidia is using is old and is on its last legs... It is inefficient and shows signs of problems scaling very far without serious pipeline changes, which cost a lot of time and die space, which in turn menas more transistors and hence more heat and more expense... ATi's architechture is brand new and supports an array of techniques superior to nVidias...
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18. January 2006 @ 12:35 |
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well that was interesting, lol. oh and TehVince the games that are out now aqre not that bad and they can only get better just wait you said gears of war is good well wait till UT 2007 which is also using unreal engine 3 but it will use it even better than gears of war when it comes to graphics.
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18. January 2006 @ 12:40 |
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I was just skiiming through, and read that the ati 1# card(which is suppose to compete with the g71 and 8 line, will perform the same.
WOOOOAH
Ok, i know that the ati card is worse than the 360 & ps3.
So il use the rsx.
and current specs for the 71(7900)
RSX 550mhz
7900 750mhz
rsx 256mb
7900 512
All done. Geforce won this time. ATI released this one far to early.
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18. January 2006 @ 12:40 |
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I was just skiiming through, and read that the ati 1# card(which is suppose to compete with the g71 and 8 line, will perform the same.
WOOOOAH
Ok, i know that the ati card is worse than the 360 & ps3.
So il use the rsx.
and current specs for the 71(7900)
RSX 550mhz
7900 750mhz
rsx 256mb
7900 512
All done. Geforce won this time. ATI released this one far to early.
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18. January 2006 @ 12:45 |
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http://www.nordichardware.com/news,2583.html
Source from.
Also news on the 7300
The 7300 geforce will be a low end card, i thiink not as good as the 7800. They are releasing this card, i dont know why, so people can get a good\decent video card, and for cheap price.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29075
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1912280,00.asp
Pretty cheap card.
Also geforce 7200
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=4427
These cards arnt as good as the ge7800. But its built on the ge62 technology. Its suppose to be better than ge 6800. For a cheap price.
I feel like getting these.
Fanyninja, if getting a lapto, get a dell, most of there laptops comes with a geforce 7800.http://www.hardwarezone.com/news/view.php?id=3564&cid=9
Decent Computer. Real good to.
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2006/01/12/nvidia_g71_march_launch/
More info on the 7900.
Whoohoo
I dont get how a geforce 7800 would fit in a Laptop......
Like the fan? And dont laptops use IGP cards? EXPLAIN THIS TO ME SOMEONE. I want to make sure that laptop cards are just as good as pc cards.
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vzero
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18. January 2006 @ 13:34 |
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X1900XTX has been tested in both single and crossfire modes with early drivers and has shown a goodperformancemargin above the 7800GTX 512... And like I said if nVidia release a faster part ATi will be ready with their refresher part to take back the lead. ATi own this round, their shader performance is at least two fold that of nVidias and games use more shader code very day!
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vzero
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18. January 2006 @ 13:37 |
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Laptop cards run at lower frequencies andwith much less power than their desktop counterparts, hence they are nowhere near as quick as them. A 7800gtx in a laptop is like a 7800gt or a 600 ultra in a desktop, maybe a little faster, but nothing like as good as a desktop. They use a special new design from nVidia called MXM to plug into the laptop using pci-e type interface.
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18. January 2006 @ 13:52 |
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I feel the need to buy a pc, instead of a laptop....
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