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Burning a specific Dvd @8X when it should be 16x
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5. December 2005 @ 12:21 |
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when i first got into computers, i used punched cards too, but i didn't burn them at max speed :)
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5. December 2005 @ 14:53 |
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creaky (Moderator) 5. December 2005 @ 17:21
when i first got into computers, i used punched cards too, but i didn't burn them at max speed :)
Creaky, my friend, I burned LOTS of paper punch cards in my time. We used to say that we were programming by the pound (Large Grin) but we burned our mistakes by the ton! A good printer in those days weighed in at around 150 to 200 pounds and required ear protection for the noise levels it produced when it really got going.
The technology for burning DVD disks at speeds of 16X is very well perfected. MOST of the available 16X blank media works satisfactorily if the computer is set up properly, the Power Supply is big and strong and the operator isn't a total moron. However, no technology is idiot proof; I don't care what Microsoft says!
I burn everything at 16X and will continue to do so. Most of my stuff these days is T.V. episode disks. The grand children are into Babylon 5, Voyager, Deep Space 9, and some of the older BBC show like Red Dwarf.
They pack a LOT of material on those episode disks, but I have no problems with them at all. AnyDVD and Nero Digital produce a perfect VIDEO_TS file and they burn to disk at 16X with no loss of picture quality; NONE!
The younger kids play some of those copy disks 10 times in a row. They get slobbered on and abused - Day after day, after day, after day but, the last play is as good as the first play and this has been going on for years now.
One of the reasons I started backing up my disks was the abuse the grand kids gave to the originals. The funny part is that the copies seem to be nearly indestructible. And, all the copy disks have Paper Labels and they are ALL burned at the highest speed the disks are rated for.
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5. December 2005 @ 15:11 |
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Burning 16X disk at speeds UNDER 16X is just flat DUMB
I guess that makes me dumb then, because I burn at 4x and no faster than 8X and like it fine.
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5. December 2005 @ 15:48 |
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arniebear (AfterDawn Addict) 5. December 2005 @ 20:11
Quote:Burning 16X disk at speeds UNDER 16X is just flat DUMB
I guess that makes me dumb then, because I burn at 4x and no faster than 8X and like it fine.
arniebear, if you burn 4X Disks at 4X, and 8X disks at 8X, I have no beef with your choices. However, if you buy a 16X burner and 16X disks then burn them at 4X or 8X, you are one of those folks who has no faith in the technology they paid good money for.
There is absolutely no point in buying a 16X burner if you don't plan to burn at 16X. THAT, my friend, is where the DUMB comes in. And, contrary to what some folks think, there is no logical analogy between the speed of a disk burner and the speed a car can go. A 16X DVD Burner was "Designed" for constant and continued use at its Maximum Burn Speed - Cars are NOT designed for constant use at their maximum performance speeds.
You either have faith in your systems technology or you don't; it's just that simple!
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5. December 2005 @ 18:23 |
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"My Plex will burn 4x TY's at 16X if allowed, but there is just now way."
That sums it all up for me. How can you expect a 4x disc to burn at 16x and be sucessful? Alkohol - it seems you need to change your burner and then you might get better results. We are not talking about 200mph cars here but simple DVD burners!
I undestand that many with experience of burning discs for several years can be quite stubborn in their views and most reluctant to even think that the equipment and software they use in any way prevents them from burning at higher speeds and therefore they 'know what they are talking about.' The simple fact is that if the new 16x drives didn't burn at 16x sucessfully then an awful lot of people would have wanted their money back by now. Also I cannot see how you can compare a CD write speed and a DVD write speed as they are two totally different formats. However I accept that each is to his own.
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5. December 2005 @ 18:53 |
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Alkohol - it seems you need to change your burner and then you might get better results. We are not talking about 200mph cars here but simple DVD burners!
I undestand that many with experience of burning discs for several years can be quite stubborn in their views and most reluctant to even think that the equipment and software they use in any way prevents them from burning at higher speeds and therefore they 'know what they are talking about.' The simple fact is that if the new 16x drives didn't burn at 16x sucessfully then an awful lot of people would have wanted their money back by now. Also I cannot see how you can compare a CD write speed and a DVD write speed as they are two totally different formats. However I accept that each is to his own.
How about you provide me some proof instead of talking, not much but just 3 or 4 pictures of your recently burned at 16X (I don't care what media you're using) and scan them with Nero CD-DVD Speed, then post them here? And I'll provide you some of my 4X burned and now let's compare them and see what's up. If your 16X burned has only 1 PI Faiulres and 98 - 100 on Quality Score, then I'll bow down to you. However, if your 16X burned has 2 or more PI Failures, and or otherwise irrelevant, then I rest my case, no comments whatsoever.
Don't worry though, I'm hear to learn and help out others, so please feel free to "educate" me with some valid evidences.
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5. December 2005 @ 20:35 |
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alkohol (Senior Member) 5. December 2005 @ 23:53
Don't worry though, I'm hear to learn and help out others, so please feel free to "educate" me with some valid evidences.
Reading what you have written so far, Alkohol, you may be here to help out others, but you are NOT here to learn anything that goes against your own prejudices.
Just an observation from someone who pushes the technology he paid good money for to the manufacturers limits everyday - then sends it beyond design specs just for the fun of it!
Of course, I'm an OLD FART on Social Security and tend to be on the cautious side. My older Grand Kids run circles around me when it comes to computers.
Take a walk on the Wild Side, Alkohol, burn a disk at 16x!
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5. December 2005 @ 21:13 |
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I buy 16X disks to BURN at 16X
bully for you!!!!!!
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BIG Strong Power Supply and CLEAN Laser Lens.. Don't knock it until you have tried it!!
actually i did try it why'd you think i' answered the thread, it didnt work for me.
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It always amazes me when some OLD FOLKS just can't believe that the earth isn't FLAT, or that it's possible to run a computer at speeds higher than 3.0 Ghz.
ummmmmmmmm my pc is faster than that
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Burning 16X disk at speeds UNDER 16X is just flat DUMB - unless you have CRAP for a burner, a small power supply or a very OLD Computer.
i got the big power suppy, when i changed the board to a 915p
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5. December 2005 @ 23:17 |
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(ps this post isn't 'aimed' at smsmike, i've just re-read it and it looks that way but it's not, it's mostly a generic post, haven't got time to go thru the whole thing as i've gotta trundle, just thought i'd add this comment before i go.)
Only recently i've been burning ALL my discs at 8x (a shedload) on my new LG 4163B (whereas i would normally only burn at 4x, out of habit and yes, comfort zone), but the other night i had a disc sit at the lead-in for 20 or 21mins. Not good. A full poweroff didn't solve the problem, and the next did it, so went back to 4x to avoid annoyance and wasted discs. I can't yet afford a better system (even though mine is nice and quick) but then again have the majority of ppl who come to us with burning woes have really fast sleek systems with big power supplies. i'd say no for the most part. And i primarily use 'Verbatim TY' discs now so the media is excellent and more than up to the job.
And of course i'm here to look out for the endless newbies, with burning woes. There's a difference with recommending what works for oneself and advocating that everyone else do what i do because 'i have success so therefore everyone HAS to have the same success as me'.
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BIG Strong Power Supply and CLEAN Laser Lens.. Don't knock it until you have tried it!!
- don't start that again LOL. in my case (forgive the pun!) i only have a 192W power supply, but my main burner is in a USB2 enclosure with it's own tincy tiny power supply.
You see, if you read ppl's posts like kivory666 (not just him, he's the first that comes to mind), he describes his experiences and offers advice in a balanced way, ie he gets on great with 8x on 8x for instance BUT is careful in how he recommends others do their burning. it's all in how we give advice to others that's important here.
i myself am totally into sorting out problems from the ground up, ie the Nero logs are a case in point. I dissect a logfile and work it up from there. I virtually always recommend 4x, partly from my own experiences but also from gazillions of other ppl's woes, because it's important to get ppl up and working, but very importantly to get them working consistently. it's just basic common sense and basic troubleshooting. And educating them as best we can, ie i assume ppl know nothing about burning/PC's, and write my replies accordingly. However i teach them enough to get them working while educating them as best as i can in a few short paragraphs, but it's not my job in life to teach ppl everything!.
Once they're up and burning for a while, the onus is then on them to step back and think "hey, i'm working fine now, those guys got me sorted, i'm fedup waiting 15mins for a 4x disc to burn, i know a bit about what i'm doing know, i'll ramp it up to 6x or 8x maybe)".
Cautious i may be, either in my own burning and/or in my advice to others, but not everyone out there can burn media at it's rated speed, Period. it just doesn't work that way. But hey, newer technology like blu-ray or whatever is around the corner, and boy, let's see what crappy media we end up with out there for the masses for instance. i've tried to brief as i've gotta go to work now
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6. December 2005 @ 00:48 |
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Reading what you have written so far, Alkohol, you may be here to help out others, but you are NOT here to learn anything that goes against your own prejudices.
Hmmm.... so who's not learning? Just because I don't want to burn my precious Yuden, Verbs and Maxell at 16X doesn't mean that I'm prejudice and or that it's against my own prejudice? LOL... That never crossed my mind whatsoever.
Now, can you show me some "proof" that burning at 16X is superior than burning at 4X, including PI Failures and Quality Score? If you can do that, then of course the debate is over, and I'll surely bow down to you. However, if all is talks and talks, then again, I rest my case - no further comments. Hmmmm.... I hate to say this, but don't you think TALK is cheap?
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Take a walk on the Wild Side, Alkohol, burn a disk at 16x!
- Mike -
Hmmmm.... I guess you've missed my other posts on the first page. As a matter of fact, I did burned a few just to test and see how's the results. I hate to repeat myself, but here I go again; "I WILL NEVER EVER going to burn at 16X period." You can burn at whatever speeds you're desire to, like 16X, I could careless. Evidently, all of my 4X backups has proven that burning at 4X is indeed the best and safest. With that being said, no coasters whatsoever.
Oh, and just in case you and Mr. Dicsmania didn't believe me that I burned at 16X, here is the Nero log proof. Just a side note here, 2 of them horrible scans on the first page is on the below logs. Again, seriously talk is cheap.
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WinAspi: File 'Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=4.71 (0002), size=45056 bytes, created 7/16/2002 8:20:56 PM
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 11/2/2004 12:54:32 PM
NT-SPTI used
Nero API version: 7.0.1.2
Using interface version: 7.0.0.0
Installed in: C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\
Application: ahead\NeroVision
Internal Version: 7, 0, 1, 2
Recorder: <SONY DVD RW DRU-710A> Version: BYX5 - HA 1 TA 0 - 7.0.1.2
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : ST340014A atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : ST380011A atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : SONY DVD RW DRU-710A atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : TOSHIBA ODD-DVD SD-M1802 atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On
=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
SONY DVD RW DRU-710A E: CDRom0
TOSHIBA ODD-DVD SD-M1802 F: CDRom1
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AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 991MB (1015280kB)
Free physical memory: 177MB (181884kB)<--I know I was doing somthing else
Memory in use : 82
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)
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NeroAPI
7:13:19 PM #1 Phase 111 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278
DVD-Video files sorted
7:13:19 PM #2 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 525
ReadBuffer-Pipe got 262144KB of Memory
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Reader running
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Writer E: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A running
7:13:20 PM #5 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3312
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
7:13:20 PM #6 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3312
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
7:13:20 PM #7 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3302
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
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Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
Last address to be written: 1986895 (441:31.70, 3880MB)
7:13:20 PM #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 291
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
7:13:20 PM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2578
Recorder: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A, Media type: DVD+R
Disc Manufacturer ID: MCC, Media Type ID: 004, Product revision number: 0
Disc Application Code: 0, Extended Information Indicators: 7
7:13:20 PM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 458
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
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Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 1986896 (1986896) = #1986896/441:31.71
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 1986896 blocks [E: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A]
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7:13:20 PM #13 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1059
Prepare recorder [E: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
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MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4069163008, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
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__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
1986896 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
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SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FCTL_LOCK_VOLUME
7:13:20 PM #15 Phase 24 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278
Caching of files started
7:13:20 PM #16 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4132
Cache writing successful.
7:13:20 PM #17 Phase 25 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278
Caching of files completed
7:13:20 PM #18 Phase 36 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278
Burn process started at 16x (22,160 KB/s)
7:13:20 PM #19 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2685
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
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---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1.0x (1)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26053F h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h
Extended Information indicators: 7 h
Disc Manufacturer ID: MCC.....
Media type ID: 004
Product revision number: 0
Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 07 4D 43 43 00 00 - 00 00 00 30 30 34 00 38 ...MCC.....004.8
23 54 37 12 02 54 6C 02 - 92 5F 15 15 0B 0B 08 08 #T7..Tl.?_......
01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
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Drive: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A
Book Type request [LO], rev 1: DVD-ROM
Changing the Book Type was finished successfully, return code 0
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Book Type automatically set to: DVD-ROM
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Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
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<E: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 1986896 (1E5150h), length 0 blocks
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all writers idle, stopping conversion
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Drive: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A
Book Type request [LO], rev 1: DVD+R
Changing the Book Type was finished successfully, return code 0
7:23:34 PM #27 Phase 37 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278
Burn process completed successfully at 16x (22,160 KB/s)
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David X
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Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: File 'Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=4.71 (0002), size=45056 bytes, created 7/16/2002 8:20:56 PM
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 11/2/2004 12:54:32 PM
NT-SPTI used
Nero Version: 7.0.1.2
Internal Version: 7, 0, 1, 2
Recorder: <SONY DVD RW DRU-710A> Version: BYX5 - HA 1 TA 0 - 7.0.1.2
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
CD-ROM: <TOSHIBA ODD-DVD SD-M1802>Version: 1051 - HA 1 TA 1 - 7.0.1.2
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : ST340014A atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : ST380011A atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : SONY DVD RW DRU-710A atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : TOSHIBA ODD-DVD SD-M1802 atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On
=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
SONY DVD RW DRU-710A E: CDRom0
TOSHIBA ODD-DVD SD-M1802 F: CDRom1
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AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 991MB (1015280kB)
Free physical memory: 450MB (461444kB)
Memory in use : 54
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)
4.12.2005
UDF/ISO compilation
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Determine maximum speed : FALSE
Simulate : FALSE
Write : TRUE
Finalize CD : TRUE
Multisession : FALSE
Burning mode : DAO
Mode : 1
UDF Mode : UDF/ISO bridge
UDF Revision : 1.02
UDF Partition Type : physical
ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
Character set : ISO 9660
Joliet :FALSE
Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
Allow more than 255 characters in path : FALSE
Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE
9:32:55 PM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
DVD-Video files sorted
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ReadBuffer-Pipe got 262144KB of Memory
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Reader running
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Writer E: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A running
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First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
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First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
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Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
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Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
Last address to be written: 2253375 (500:45.00, 4401MB)
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Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD DVD)
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Recorder: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A, Media type: DVD+R
Disc Manufacturer ID: MCC, Media Type ID: 004, Product revision number: 0
Disc Application Code: 0, Extended Information Indicators: 7
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Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2253376 (2253376) = #2253376/500:45.1
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos
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Prepare recorder [E: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
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MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4614914048, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
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__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
2253376 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
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Cache writing successful.
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Caching of files completed
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Burn process started at 16x (22,160 KB/s)
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Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
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---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1.0x (1)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26053F h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h
Extended Information indicators: 7 h
Disc Manufacturer ID: MCC.....
Media type ID: 004
Product revision number: 0
Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56
Media Specific [16..63]:
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9:32:56 PM #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5900
Drive: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A
Book Type request [LO], rev 1: DVD-ROM
Changing the Book Type was finished successfully, return code 0
9:32:56 PM #25 CDR -1207 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5330
Book Type automatically set to: DVD-ROM
9:32:56 PM #26 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 666
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
9:38:55 PM #27 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 116
<E: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2253376 (226240h), length 0 blocks
9:38:55 PM #28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
all writers idle, stopping conversion
9:39:11 PM #29 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5900
Drive: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A
Book Type request [LO], rev 1: DVD+R
Changing the Book Type was finished successfully, return code 0
9:39:11 PM #30 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
Burn process completed successfully at 16x (22,160 KB/s)
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David X
Home use
Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: File 'Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=4.71 (0002), size=45056 bytes, created 7/16/2002 8:20:56 PM
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 11/2/2004 12:54:32 PM
NT-SPTI used
Nero Version: 7.0.1.2
Internal Version: 7, 0, 1, 2
(Nero Express)
Recorder: <SONY DVD RW DRU-710A> Version: BYX5 - HA 1 TA 0 - 7.0.1.2
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
CD-ROM: <TOSHIBA ODD-DVD SD-M1802>Version: 1051 - HA 1 TA 1 - 7.0.1.2
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : ST340014A atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : ST380011A atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : SONY DVD RW DRU-710A atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : TOSHIBA ODD-DVD SD-M1802 atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On
=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
SONY DVD RW DRU-710A E: CDRom0
TOSHIBA ODD-DVD SD-M1802 F: CDRom1
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AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 991MB (1015280kB)
Free physical memory: 418MB (428672kB)
Memory in use : 57
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)
5.12.2005
UDF/ISO compilation
1:03:24 AM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
DVD-Video files reallocation started
1:03:24 AM #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)
1:03:24 AM #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6411
UDF document burn settings
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Determine maximum speed : FALSE
Simulate : FALSE
Write : TRUE
Finalize CD : TRUE
Multisession : FALSE
Burning mode : DAO
Mode : 1
UDF Mode : UDF/ISO bridge
UDF Revision : 1.02
UDF Partition Type : physical
ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
Character set : ISO 9660
Joliet :FALSE
Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
Allow more than 255 characters in path : FALSE
Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE
1:03:24 AM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
DVD-Video files sorted
1:03:24 AM #5 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 525
ReadBuffer-Pipe got 262144KB of Memory
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Reader running
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Writer E: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A running
1:03:24 AM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3312
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
1:03:24 AM #9 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3312
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
1:03:24 AM #10 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3302
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
1:03:25 AM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 279
Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
Last address to be written: 2253343 (500:44.43, 4401MB)
1:03:25 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 291
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD DVD)
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Recorder: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A, Media type: DVD+R
Disc Manufacturer ID: MCC, Media Type ID: 004, Product revision number: 0
Disc Application Code: 0, Extended Information Indicators: 7
1:03:25 AM #14 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 458
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
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1:03:25 AM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 847
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2253344 (2253344) = #2253344/500:44.44
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2253344 blocks [E: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A]
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1:03:25 AM #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1059
Prepare recorder [E: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
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MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4614848512, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
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__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
2253344 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
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SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FCTL_LOCK_VOLUME
1:03:25 AM #18 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
Caching of files started
1:03:25 AM #19 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4132
Cache writing successful.
1:03:25 AM #20 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
Caching of files completed
1:03:25 AM #21 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
Burn process started at 16x (22,160 KB/s)
1:03:25 AM #22 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2685
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
1:03:25 AM #23 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8411
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1.0x (1)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26053F h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h
Extended Information indicators: 7 h
Disc Manufacturer ID: MCC.....
Media type ID: 004
Product revision number: 0
Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 07 4D 43 43 00 00 - 00 00 00 30 30 34 00 38 ...MCC.....004.8
23 54 37 12 02 54 6C 02 - 92 5F 15 15 0B 0B 08 08 #T7..Tl.._......
01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
1:03:25 AM #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5900
Drive: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A
Book Type request [LO], rev 1: DVD-ROM
Changing the Book Type was finished successfully, return code 0
1:03:25 AM #25 CDR -1207 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5330
Book Type automatically set to: DVD-ROM
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Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
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<E: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2253344 (226220h), length 0 blocks
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all writers idle, stopping conversion
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Drive: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A
Book Type request [LO], rev 1: DVD+R
Changing the Book Type was finished successfully, return code 0
1:09:33 AM #30 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
Burn process completed successfully at 16x (22,160 KB/s)
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Again, here is the top notch YUDEN000T02, burned at 4X
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6. December 2005 @ 00:56 |
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@ maxxjulie/Discmania/smsmike
i'm just curious why you guys are still flogging that dead horse, it aint going to get any further.....
you guys are so one tracked minded and you really didnt read my initial post.I have tried 16x discs they dont work for me and all the other garbage you have tried to get across like bigger power supply faster pc etc doesnt mean squat.At the end of the day it just doesnt work for me.
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colw
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To err on the side of caution is prudent. I tend to agree with creaky and alcohol on this one.
There are many cases of poor, unreliable media being used by members of this and other forums and the resulting frustrations/poor results.
While a lean, mean and clean machine is desirable, I would guestimate that over 90% of users do not have same.
Simply put, I would prefer reliability over speed.
That some can burn successfully at 16x is not unsurprising, however, I would be interested in seeing the reliablility and playback of these burns six months down the track.
The issue is similar in some ways to the use of labels - some members claim they have no problems whatsoever while a majority of members experience problems and resoltion without labels.
I can live with a 4x burn in 13 to 15 minutes. I can still play my first and subsequent DVDs burnt over two years ago without problems. I would interested in seeing the same stabiliy and reliability for 16x burns.
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andmerr
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6. December 2005 @ 01:32 |
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I can live with a 4x burn in 13 to 15 minutes
is that for the initial dvd compiling and encoding?
How much does it take you for each subsequent burn?
(my best one was about 9 mins)
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colw
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6. December 2005 @ 01:50 |
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@ andmerr
Burning time only with Nero or Decrypter
I'm using a PIII - 800 with only 256Mb RAM - though it should, it only recognises larger capacity RAM as 128Mb (time for new computer/motherboard)
Encoding times vary considerably from under 10 minutes to over an hour for longer movies or series disks but for most encoding times are less than 30 minutes.
I use free software only e.g. DVD Shrink, DVD Decrypter and DVD43 and have yet to encounter a movie (including the new protections) that I cannot copy.
Burning times at 4x are always less than 15 minutes
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andmerr
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6. December 2005 @ 01:55 |
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have you got something in mind!!!!
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colw
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6. December 2005 @ 02:40 |
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@andmerr
I hope so - do have other machines that I can access but all my major programs are on the slow one that does not want to upgrade.
The way it is setup allows me to output to TV or VRC and input from same. It works with 100% reliabilty and thought of duplicating it all on a new machine makes me procastinate and live with what I have.
The machine is lean, clean and very reliable though lacking memory - my adage is - if it ain't broken - don't fix it.
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6. December 2005 @ 03:05 |
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as creaky reiterated already, i'm not gonna flog this dead horse any longer :) i am cautious as to HOW i give advice to various members on here looking for help, i've ALWAYS said that i am NOT a role model and to NOT DO WHAT I DO, but go with WHAT WORKS BEST FOR ONE's OWN INDIVIDUAL setup :)
takes some time to experiment with what DOES work and what DOES NOT, there are many factors to consider given SO MANY varieties of machines/specs/burners/choice of media/etc out there, each one is different in their own way, whether that is a good thing or not, it's based on one's budget and personal preferences~
anyways, i'm DONE w/ this thread, unsubscribed...and to SMSMike, i respect your opinions and will NEVER argue with WHAT WORKS for YOU, but your theory on the whole power supply thing...it simply holds absolutely NO WATER, creaky's setup is all the proof you need to realize that and also FROM MY OWN experiences, i've had the basic 300W up to a HUGE ASS 950W power supply made by a VERY reliable company/manufacturer (IBM) and a smaller PSU (@600W by Coolmax and a similar model by Antec) Antec arguably makes some of the most SOLID/most DURABLE psu's out there, a simple google would also prove that fact; i am using a Zalman 400W at the present time, i build comps as a hobby in my spare time and have been doing so for about 10 years now, while i admit i haven't built any "top of the line" gaming rigs w/ the Athlon 64 chip/ SLI dual graphics, etc,etc..but, as long as your psu (power supply unit) is MADE WELL, regardless of TOTAL POWER OUTPUT to the rails, you aren't going to be "better off" with a monster 500W or 600W than the guy next to you with a smaller 300W-400W psu~ :)
as long as it's BUILT WELL, sturdy and DOES CONSTANTLY provide the power needed to perform the tasks you want your computer to do, it's don't mean a damn thing to boast about a 500W+ PSU over someone who has a 300W (or smaller), better built and from a more reliable company that KNOWS and understands about QUALITY, the 500W+ won't EVEN compare to the quality 300w- PSU~
in terms of PSUs, SIZE/TOTAL WATTS means SQUAT, it's all about the QUALITY of the unit that matters, much like dvd media, hehe
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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6. December 2005 @ 03:14 |
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I guess that I will fall into the dumb catagory as well. I generally do not burn faster than 4x, but have recently, with great media, burnt at 6x trying to expand my comfort zone. (Thanks kivory666). Time is not an issue for me though and so the savings generated in such would not be of any value.
To each his own.
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6. December 2005 @ 07:14 |
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gee, you guys went really quite awfully quick, hope you werent scarred off by anything we said
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6. December 2005 @ 07:35 |
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hi :)
even the manufactuers of disc's cover their own bases by saying
the maximum rating of a disc is for the transfer of data, it is reccommended that for the tranfer of quality video, that half the maximum rating is applied ie
16x data = 8x video
8x data = 4x video
assuming that quality media is being used, i see no reason why it is "dumb" to burn at half speed (or slower )
on the other hand, i do believe that making the statement "dumb" in the first place is pretty "DUMB"
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6. December 2005 @ 09:12 |
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Im a happy member of the Dumb club:) with hundreds of flawles 4x burns.
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smsmike
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6. December 2005 @ 13:39 |
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I have read the entire thread over again (and again) and have come to the conclusion that people will do what people will do, and a mind once set is very difficult to change....
I noticed the same thing in the first Gulf War. When it came to religious differences, very few Christians were really tolerant of the beliefs of others no matter what they voiced openly. It's amazing how deep set our prejudices can become on MANY subjects, even without any conscious thought on our parts - it just happens...
Anyway, I shall leave you folks to burn DVD's at any speed your hearts desire. I burn 16X disks at 16X every single day and have no problems with the results. I have three computers and I built them all from scratch. I have been building and operating computers for over 30 years. I TRUST the technology I bought and paid for, and until the equipment gives me reason to question it, I shall continue to do so.
As my old DI used to say, "Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done! Get off your ass and try again!" (Large Grin)!
I'm done with this thread!
- Mike -
I stopped counting when I reached 60!
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6. December 2005 @ 15:02 |
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I too am done with this thread, when you start making comparisons of 4x burning vs. 16x burning in the same vein as religious intolerance, then I totally give up. Somehow I do not think this analogy is equal.
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6. December 2005 @ 19:19 |
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Equal to what? It's still a valid argument.
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7. December 2005 @ 00:08 |
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i'm also done in this thread, though will still watch it..
let me jst briefly (honest) repeat the reason i churn out the advice that i do. "there are a lot of ppl out there who just can't burn at high speed, or use crappy media to get good results, or walk on water", my own aim around here is to get ppl working CONSISTENTLY and without costing 'em money (well apart from buying decent media maybe), very important words i think. i don't give a rats ass about the tiny few who CAN do everything right. Even if i can, IT DOESN'T MEAN THE MASSES WITH PROBLEMS, CAN.
And they're the ppl we're catering for remember, well most of us anyway.
Creaky out.
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