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Burning a specific Dvd @8X when it should be 16x
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21. January 2006 @ 23:52 |
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If you have OEM NERO just update package 1 & 2 not 3. The fancy stuff dosen"t cost anything.
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herplvr
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23. January 2006 @ 00:30 |
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@MaxBurn
Thanks for the reply, I had forgotten about the thread until I got the email notice.
Very concise reply and yet thorough, I appreciate your taking the time. It's good to know about that, as I have an older DVD player in my bedroom that won't play most backups, maybe this will solve that.
Regards, herplvr
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I didn't see your post here as i thought this thread was dead. Here is your late reply:
Booktyping is a way DVD+R media can be written to, to make systems reading it think it is a DVD-ROM, or like an original pressed movie. It can only be done on +R media as -R doesn't have the area to write the DVD-ROM identifier to. What this does for us is it allows the copy to be read on just about any machine that reads DVDs. You can change the booktype settings with a number of programs.
In this thread, i showed the booktype settings with different programs:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/287469
and some more on booktyping:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/258859
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/259299
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/258500
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13. February 2006 @ 21:28 |
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Booktyping is THE way to go. Thats why i use +R format mostly. Gives the copied DVD the same compatiblity as a pressed original movie. Can't get much more compatible than that. Hope it works out well for you. Post again if you run in to problems.. It might take me awhile to get back to the thread, but i do check up on them from time to time to see if something is going on.
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herplvr
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14. February 2006 @ 08:43 |
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It's working out, I have bought some Verbatim +R's as well and it works great. Although I never had a problem using -R's, so I suppose it doesn't matter in my case?
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Blighter
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20. February 2006 @ 10:15 |
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Does it really give it the same compatibility as pressed DVDs? I would have thought that older DVD players would still have a problem reading some DVD dyes? And i also seem to remember playing a 16x Verbatim DVD+R (booktyped to ROM) on a PS2, but it crashed at the main menu, whereas the stamped one worked fine...
The backup seemed to work on other dvd players though...
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20. February 2006 @ 14:42 |
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Blighter
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Does it really give it the same compatibility as pressed DVDs?
DVD-ROM booktyping gives higher compatibility than the + or - format alone. A pressed DVD will read as
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Disc Regions are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Media code/Manufacturer ID N/A Pressed DVD
UDF Format Type V1.02
UDF Volume Name TOTAL_RECALL_LB
UDF Application id None
UDF Implementation id UDF Toshiba DVD Video
UDF Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 5/19/1997 18:33:46
Format Capacity 4.29GB(4.61GB)
Book Type DVD-ROM
Media Type DVD-ROM
Data area starting sector 30000h
Data area end sector 2255DFh
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1
Booktype is listed as DVD-ROM, and thats what we are trying to do with the +R format when we booktype. A burnt DVD+R booktyped to DVD-ROM will still not show up as pressed-DVD under Media code/Manufacturer Id as this is a pressed DVD, not a burnt one.
Many things come in to play when you start talking about burnt DVDs vs pressed ones. One of them is what brand/type of media, burn speed also comes in to play. Some standalones will not play some types of media, even if it is listed as a compatible format. So, yes, dye, burn speed come in to play. I guess a better way for me to phrase it would be booktyping to DVD-ROM gives you better compatiblility than not booktyping, and a pressed DVD shows a booktype of DVD-ROM. But a pressed DVD movie or game will probably be the highest compatiblity. For copies, DVD-ROM is the highest we can get.
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20. February 2006 @ 14:58 |
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Maxburn,
Well said.
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20. February 2006 @ 16:51 |
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Hi Mort81 and thanks.
It seems like the easy answers are the hardest to answer.. Huh? Made sense when i thought it, but looks like a contradiction when i type it.
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21. February 2006 @ 02:21 |
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It seems like the easy answers are the hardest to answer.. Huh?
couldn't have said it better myself...as hard as i try to explain certain things to people, it's funny how a simple straight-forward answer would do, but it's just not good enough, then you make it all detailed and elaborate, but in fact get your point across as it makes sense in your head, but when i type it out, it seems confusing to the person reading it~ LOL
see, my post was pretty confusing huh? but it makes sense in my head... LOL
all i had to say was, "i agree" and that would be that..but, nooooooo...i couldn't just say that...LOL
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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21. February 2006 @ 17:41 |
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LOL
Doc, You must be a surgeon, your a cut up!!! :) You've got me in stiches.. Ha ha ha..
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29. March 2006 @ 15:09 |
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What's Up!? I just ran out of DVD+R and am looking to buy some soon. I've been reading up about how quality makes a difference. Should I get Verbatim or Imation? Also what disk speed should I get 16x or 8x, keeping in mind that my HP DVD Burner has a max writing speed of 2.4x? Finally, what speed should I burn my PS2 .iso at (1x, 2x, or 2.4x)? I would appreciate the help. Thanks!
P.S. Has anybody here successfully burned and played College Hoops 2K6?
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JoeRyan
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30. March 2006 @ 08:29 |
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If your drive has a maximum speed rating of 2.4X, use 8X discs. The 16X are more sensitive and may react too much to the slower 2.4X speed. Since 8X discs are being phased out, consider moving to a newer drive once you can't find 8X anymore.
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30. March 2006 @ 10:34 |
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What's Up!? I appreciate the help. Yeah, I noticed how I see 8x less often. So does the same rule apply if I were to get a 4x DVD? Also what would the best speed to burn my PS2 .iso file be using my burner that has a max burning speed of 2.4x? Should I just burn at max speed or less? Any suggestions for what DVD media (Verbatim, Imation, etc.) that I should use? Thanks!
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JoeRyan
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30. March 2006 @ 14:06 |
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If your drive is limited to 2.4X, then the slower the disc rating, the better. Early 4X discs had a problem with the outer edge due to tilt problems. Later production was vastly improved, and 8X and 16X discs are much better (flatter) in that regard. It's nearly impossible to find 4X discs these days. 16X discs are less environmentally stable than 8X discs due to their greater sensitivity. On the other hand, some research points to recordings made at slow 4X speeds on 8X and 16X media to be less stable over time than recordings made at faster speeds. Although the burn marks are precisely on track and early scans show fewer PIE/PIF/POF errors, the mark edges may be overburned and prone to alterations that increase jitter and errors after being subjected to stresses of heat and humidity. (It's not the mark itself but its accuracy of length, uniformity, and edge precision that determines a good burn.) For your drive, always record at the maximum 2.4X speed and try to use 8X media. Afterdawn forum members rave about Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim as being excellent discs. They are right. They curse CMC discs and discs made with CMC's MID code (Imation, Memorex, TDK), ignoring the fact that CMC makes many of the Verbatim discs they praise and that the drives they list are notoriously deficient in supporting CMC MAG MID codes. A lot depends on your drive and its firmware support. You won't go wrong with TY or Verbatim, but the others may also work very well if your drive supports them.
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herplvr
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30. March 2006 @ 14:09 |
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Verbatim is tops, imation isn't all that great imo.
TDK is pretty good, my brother got some at costco 100 for $22, so far no coasters or bad ones after 26 discs.
Other than that, check out the media forum posts, there are all kinds of posts about quality media.
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30. March 2006 @ 14:25 |
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What's Up!? Thanks guys! By the way, are any of you familiar with the game College Hoops 2K6 for PS2. It's the only game I've had trouble burning. I'll probably get the DVD's that were suggested to see if it works out.
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31. March 2006 @ 00:59 |
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@SM1985 - you already asked this here - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/279947.
i've noticed this question pop on a few other irrelevant threads, let's keep the question confined to that original link and not keep hijacking irrelevant threads with the same question. thanks
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4. April 2006 @ 05:58 |
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Everybody seemed to be referring to Nero CD-DVD Speed, so I figured I should get it too: http://www.cdspeed2000.com/go.php3?link=download.html#nerodvdspeed
I've been trying to learn how to use it, but it's really confusing. For one thing, I was using the screenshots that had been posted as a reference point, and I can't figure out how you get the speed a disk was burned at.
All of the burns that you refer to have as you pointed out been burned at various speeds. The speed reference indicated in these scans is the read speed that the scan was performed at. To get Nero CD/DVD speed software to calculate the original burned speed you have to use the Create a data disk option as this allows the software to read and graph the burn speed of the disk being tested.
The white jagged line indicates the burn speed in this test and the green line indicates the read speed of the test.
I didn't create this scan. The scan is courtesy of XND1n01h
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