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The DVD Label Myth
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draigh
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19. January 2006 @ 06:03 |
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This has been my experiance with DVD labels. It took me abit to figure this out. It would appear I have spent more time and money on this than anyone else here has. I use Memorex blank DVDs, and the 120 pack of CD\DVD 3in1 Labels.
Here is the trick to DVD Labeling, RECORDING SPEED!!! Thats all.
I burned a full length move on to a dvd at 16X, (the fastest setting for my drive), stuck a label on it and like everyone else, it did not play. Well I got to thinking about the nature of store bought DVDs and the fact that there is a label on them in one form or another. So I tried a few things. My DVD burner has only 4 speeds. 6X , 8X , 12X , and 16X. I burned the same movie on 4 disks at the different speeds and stuck labels on them all. This is what I came up with:
6X with label - wouldn't play
8X w\label, played fine
12X w\label, played fine
16X w\label, wouldn't play.
I feel that the trick is to find out what speed you can record at and still have it play on your settop DVD player. By the way, all 4 disks played on my computer no problem.
So there, for one person the myth of DVD labeling busted.
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19. January 2006 @ 06:10 |
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Give it time. This outa get some good responses.
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19. January 2006 @ 06:34 |
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@ draigh
Let me start by saying this:
Having a dvd that would not play is a MEDIA issue even with a label applied. Labelled media usually plays fine in a standalone in the beginning. It's the contraction/expanding over time that leads to slight warping. We won't even touch improperly applied/off-center labelling! The noticeable effects of labels on good media (without scanning) are usually not immediately evident. Obviously quality media tolerates higher burn speeds than second-rate/crap media. To begin with crap media, and then compound it with a label is a double-whammy... Toss in high burn speeds and that's a triple-whammy!!!
In the beginning (first 40 - 50 burns), I used labels on TY burned at 8 and 12X with NO playability issues months and months later. Ripping them to make a copy was out of the question, though... I use inkjet hub printables now, and I burn all of my TY and Verbs at 8X. 500+ burns later, I can pick out a backup and make a copy for the car/plane as easily as from the original...
I advise against adhesive labels, but, if you must, definitely use quality media and an applicator. Inkjet printable media takes the expansion/contraction out of the equation and is actually cheaper than buying discs AND labels!!! REMEMBER this above all else: Crappy media is crappy media if it's inkjet printable or if it has a label applied... Use the good stuff regardless of how you choose to abuse or make it less effective later.
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And, oh yeah, the only myth you busted is the myth of labels not affecting your discs... LOL
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draigh
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19. January 2006 @ 07:19 |
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Well as with everything in life, to each his own and one mans trash is another mans treasure. I have been using Memorex media (between CDR, CDRW, and DVD+R) for about 8 years with only around 1 in 800 fail rate. I like Memorex because they are cheap and I have not had enough of a problem with this setup to change my mind about it.
The backups of my movies were burned at 16X on Memorex DVD+R. I keep these as my masters (no labels). I then burn the back up to another disk at 8X, stick a label on it, put it in a case and stick it on my shelf. (plus I verify the rip by playing the files before I burn to disk). I am not saying that this is the end-all solution, but it works for me and I feel that if this playing around to find what works helps someone else as a good starting point, then I have done my job. I agree that printing directly onto the disk would be the better way of doing things but I ,like most, can not afford to buy a new printer and more expensive disks.
This is a low end solution that works for me. And in the end, thats all that really matters.
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19. January 2006 @ 07:27 |
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You are 100% correct that each person should do what works best for him/her. I wasn't putting down your method. I was just throwing some facts out there for the next person that happens upon this thread in search of guidance... BTW, your Memorex must be Ricoh???
EDIT: I paid $80 bucks for my Epson R200, refills are $20 bucks/set, media is 40 cents/disc, and I can print around 150 discs on a set of cartridges...
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19. January 2006 @ 08:24 |
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The backups of my movies were burned at 16X on Memorex DVD+R.
not the original poster.. but yes.. memosux 16x dvd+r are indeed made by ricoh... i got some of those as a gift.. (not my choice in media, check my sig out and verify what i use)
we'll see how far memosux uses ricoh for the 16x speeds...
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draigh
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19. January 2006 @ 08:29 |
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Here is the output from DVDInfo on a fresh blank Memorex DVD+R 16X
Region information.................N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID.........CMC MAG M01
Media Product Revision Number......00h
Format Capacity....................Blank Disc
Free Blocks........................405405696
Free Capacity......................4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type..........................DVD+R
Media Type.........................DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed...........16.0x 22160KBp
Available Write Descriptor.........CLV 16.0x 22160KBps
Available Write Descriptor.........CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor.........CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor.........CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Data area starting sector..........30000h
Linear Density.....................0.267um/bit
Track Density......................0.74um/track
Number of Layers...................1
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19. January 2006 @ 09:07 |
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All the labels i applied on my dvd's when i first started backing up played right away on the 3 players i had.
its no problem to get them to play on modern DVD players.
The problem is getting them to play when the glue gets hardened, by the heat, and forms in clumps then the disc becomes totaly unbalanced.
hence useless in many drives.
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19. January 2006 @ 09:25 |
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Say what you will about what works with labels, but stick a disc in a slotted loader vs a tray, and sooner or later that disc ain't coming back out without a fight!
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19. January 2006 @ 09:28 |
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johny24
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19. January 2006 @ 11:29 |
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@ draigh
"Having a dvd that would not play is a MEDIA issue even with a label applied. Labelled media usually plays fine in a standalone in the beginning. It's the contraction/expanding over time that leads to slight warping."
Hey try the new specially made dvd labels that are for dvds they are made of polyster film and they dont cause warping like paper labels.
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akyllonen
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19. January 2006 @ 12:18 |
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Oh man, where do I start...
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The backups of my movies were burned at 16X on Memorex DVD+R.
CMC Mag as listed in other post at 16x....would love to see a Disc Quality Test on this!
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I keep these as my masters (no labels). I then burn the back up to another disk at 8X, stick a label on it, put it in a case and stick it on my shelf.
Not understanding the logic here...I'd want my "master" the best possible one not a 16x burn...especially on crap media.
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I ,like most, can not afford to buy a new printer and more expensive disks.
I myself use a budget approach....Sharpie! Who cares what the backup looks like...you already have the original disc for looks...
As for the media cost...in the long run you can't beat 30 cent TY's...which seems to be the prevailing sale price for the 8X Sony/FUJI TY's lately....
Take the advice of the masses....stick with good media...label free...2 wrongs do not make a right!
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19. January 2006 @ 12:32 |
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If your disc spins while you are playing it then I suggest that you do not put a label on it.
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19. January 2006 @ 13:46 |
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@2IIPack
Oh, that's fine cause I think he has the kind of player where it doesn't spin.
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19. January 2006 @ 14:41 |
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draigh:
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I like Memorex because they are cheap
I'd like to know how cheap?
How much $ for the 120 pk of sticker labels?
How much are your ink cartridges-per set?
Also,what brand name and model# is your DVD-RW drive?
Of all the weekly ads I looked at, 30 cents apiece is about the lowest price I have seen for Memosux.
30 cents each for the higher probability of getting cmags, NOT!
This week,sony are on sale at Staples and they do have some taiyo yudens in the plus format of 1x-8x speed by looking for the made in japan spindles. I only paid about $12.50 including tax for a 50 pack spindle. An ink cartridge return voucher knocked off $3
So I got some taiyo yuden plus format media for 25 cents each. If you want some sweeter deals,check into Office depot brand name media in the 8x speed. Those are riteks,and their +16x speed are turning up ricohs. You can get these for 20 cents each when on sale.
I got my dad an epson r-200 at staples for $50
A set of ink cartridges at private.abacus- $19-$20 for a set of 6.You get a better discount with the more sets you buy.
Take them back to staples when empty and get $3 vouchers-total of $18
About a buck or 2 for a set of ink cartridges!Sweet
Buying a new printer may sound like a lot of money,but over time-it may save you money. You should be able to get quality ink jet printable dash media for 30-50 cents each on the net.The printable plus format on the net runs higher,so I buy it at walmart or office depot.
My 2 cents!
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19. January 2006 @ 15:17 |
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Well I got to thinking about the nature of store bought DVDs and the fact that there is a label on them in one form or another.
I've NEVER bought a DVD that had a 'sticker label' on it, has anybody?
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19. January 2006 @ 16:48 |
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I have, they come w/ wierd messages. I mean what teh hell does Sony mean.
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19. January 2006 @ 17:00 |
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SONY means 'Stupid Old New Yorker'
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19. January 2006 @ 17:23 |
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Well I got to thinking about the nature of store bought DVDs and the fact that there is a label on them in one form or another.
Not true, they are pressed disks and prints, (ink,) imbedded into the press.
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have been using Memorex media (between CDR, CDRW, and DVD+R) for about 8 years with only around 1 in 800 fail rate.
Ever play blackjack... If you had 2 tens in your hand would you take a hit from the dealer... Odds are that knowing that there are 4 aces in a deck, you may have a very slim chance to get a blackjack... and if you did get that blackjack would you call it luck or skill...
I'd call it dumb luck, just like using Memorex and Labels!
Then again, what do hundreds of thousands of aD members who disagree with your suggestions have to do with luck... after all, 2 in 500,000 aD members isn't bad odds is it?!?!?! Or is it really the same person trying once again to prove a point? <G>
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21. January 2006 @ 18:45 |
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6X with label - wouldn't play
8X w\label, played fine
12X w\label, played fine
16X w\label, wouldn't play.
1 in 800 fail rate with memosux?
Guess you have to burn 1600 in a row without failure to get back to your odds?
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21. January 2006 @ 18:48 |
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i guess i just got lucky...
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Here is the output from DVDInfo on a fresh blank Memorex DVD+R 16X
Region information.................N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID.........CMC MAG M01
Media Product Revision Number......00h
Format Capacity....................Blank Disc
Free Blocks........................405405696
Free Capacity......................4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type..........................DVD+R
Media Type.........................DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed...........16.0x 22160KBp
Available Write Descriptor.........CLV 16.0x 22160KBps
Available Write Descriptor.........CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor.........CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor.........CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Data area starting sector..........30000h
Linear Density.....................0.267um/bit
Track Density......................0.74um/track
Number of Layers...................1
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draigh
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5. February 2006 @ 17:08 |
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Guess you have to burn 1600 in a row without failure to get back to your odds?
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The only reason that I had 2 fails out of the 4 is that I was playing around with burning speeds. And by the way, those 2 fails wouldn't play in my set-top, but played in my computer just fine, so I guess I really shouldn't call them "Fails".
I burn my music on Memorex CD-R at 48x and my DVDs on Memorex DVD+R at 16x to "master" and 8x to label. As long as I stick to that, then yes I do get about a 1 in 800 fail. Since starting to burn DVDs, I have used Verbatim and Memorex. Memorex is the only on that I have had the best luck with.
For anyone to say that one brand is better than any other, it's just a matter of personal choice. I CHOOSE to use Memorex, burn and label them the way that I do because of one simple fact. My method works for me. To me, that is all that matters. It is amazing that someone gets treated this way by so many people because I do something different than "you" (meaning, it would seem, everyone else on this thread) would do. My method doesn't work for everyone, fine, I can deal with that. But to be flamed for expressing and sharing something that works for me, because I put the effort in to make it work? That is the saddest thing of all. I agree that the safest thing would be to use the case insert to label whats on the disk, and not put anything on the disk at all, marker and all. But that is not how I CHOOSE to store my disks. Your methods work for you because (i hope) You put the time in and figured out how to make it work for you and not just follow what others have told you to do or not to do. On that note, this is what works for me. I so far have burned 300+ movies onto Memorex DVD+R @ 8X and stuck a label on every one and no problems yet (outside of the 4 test disks). They play in my set-top and my computer just as good as the original.
So, call me an idiot or a fool, but the fact remains that what I do works. Like it or not, it works.
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5. February 2006 @ 17:34 |
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Can't believe I missed the original post :)
draigh,
Beleive or not I'm happy for you, you figured out a method that most of these guys around here couldn't, and that it works for you. Don't mind them at all, some of them are just jelous of you. Anyway, if you dont mind satisfy my curiousity and can you please post a scan of a disk for me. Thank you!
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10. February 2006 @ 08:25 |
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You can take almost any media, throw a label on it, and someway/somehow get a burn that will play in your dvd player. That really isn't in question. The issue is longevity. I used to label my media. However do a scan before the label, than do a scan after the label and see the difference. Especially looking at discs that are at least 1.5 years old (that's the oldest I had with labels). Some scans were in the 50's and some discs would just freeze, even though I knew they played when I first did them. Now I'm not saying this was all due to the labeling, but most likely lower grade media. Now if I take a MCC coded disc from that time, I still got a 97 score. All the lower grade media I tested that was at least 1.5 years old, scanned in the 70's or below.
If you truly want your media to still be playable 2-3-4-5... years from now, most will strongly urge against memorex and labeling. The only older media I had that was still testing in the 90's were TY's and Vebatim (MCC coded). You say you've been using this method for quite some time. If you can take one of your older labeled Memorex (CMC MAG), and post a 90+ scan, than I applaude you and say keep using it if it is working for you. Longevity, Longevity, Longevity... I don't care if it plays today, I want to be sure it is playing years from now.
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dr_no
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10. February 2006 @ 10:07 |
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I'm still waiting for that scan!
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