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21. January 2006 @ 03:06 |
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being new to DVD use what is the difference between DVD+R DVD-r, how do you no which to use, is it to do with the burner or the soft ware, or the recorded data, thanks for any help,
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21. January 2006 @ 03:27 |
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+ for games
- for movies
check ur dvd burner to see which it accepts, some do accept both
hope this helps
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21. January 2006 @ 06:49 |
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Hi t-loader. When I backup movies, it is obviously important that they are able to play on my standalone DVD players connected to my televisions. If your burner supports booktyping, you can booktype a DVD+ disc as a DVD-ROM for maximum compatibility. Since DVD- discs can't be booktyped, I never buy that media.
Most DVD players recognize a DVD-ROM disc as an original pressed disc from the factory (maximum compatibility). The next compatible media is DVD- because it has been around longer then DVD+. Finally, DVD+ media comes in last place for compatibility.
Here's a link to some more info on booktyping.
http://www.booktypefaq.com/
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21. January 2006 @ 08:11 |
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Without any doubt, DVD+R is far superior to DVD-R ... if you wanna know why, click on the link in my sig and read up
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21. January 2006 @ 08:24 |
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I agree, DVD+R booktyped to DVD-ROM is the most playable in all players.
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21. January 2006 @ 08:58 |
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Well hey t-loader,
DVD-R or DVD+R...age old question hey? So many folks have pointed me towards this link...so I'm going to point you towards it too. Bout little less than half way down is a basic run-down of the diff.
http://www.videointerchange.com/dvd.htm#DVD
But in your case I would do a couple of things to determine what type of media you want to buy:
1) Find out what type of dvd players you're going to use the burnt media on. If they're older then +R may be the way to go because as mentioned above, with +R you have the option of making a DVD-ROM which is playable on a multitude of dinosaur dvd-players.
2) Take your burner model drive and do some research on the web and on here. See what people have and if they have the same model. See what types of media they've had success with and what they haven't.
3) Buy a couple of each and try for yourself. Do some burning, check the quality, see what your burner likes. Some burners can be partial to a particular type of media.
So nope, doesn't have anything to do with software. It's what your burner can accept. If you go to the manufacturer's site (or check the manual you got with it) and find the model, you will find out what types of media your burner will accept and what brands are 'preferred'.
Burn on!
(Kinda sounds like the old Ninja Turtles movie...'Wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off!' But I digress.....)
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21. January 2006 @ 09:13 |
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I agree with the rest of the AD studs:
Definitely plus format,booktyped to dvd-rom! If you have a benq 1620 or 1640,the dash backups don't even come close in standalone compatability. If you want your backups to play just about anywhere,booktype them with a quality drive.
t-loader: See if the brand name of your burner allows it to booktype using dvdnoobie's link. If it isn't listed in that link,then you'll probably want to go with the dash format.
Best thing to do,get a small batch of each. Make sure they are quality media.Make sure they say Made in Japan on the labels.
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how do you no which to use, is it to do with the burner or the soft ware, or the recorded data,
Burner-some burners only capable of one format/dual format/and booktyping.Most of the newer drives are dual format and dual layer.
Data- a lot easier for dvd media to handle.But backing up games and original dvd movies,that compression is a major contributor.
For me,the most important reason of using a certain format:
Stand alone players! They will tell you which format they prefer.If they give you a : No disc/Dirty disc/wrong region or similar error,it's a compatability issue-they don't like that format from that burner. If they recognize that format,they will usually play them ok. If you want them to play great,get the quality media. Some standalone will pick apart the lower quality media.Some of those stand alones can even pick apart the low quality dvd burners! They can do some very weird stuff when it comes to playing backups.
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21. January 2006 @ 13:52 |
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thanks to all of the above for taking the trouble to reply all info helpful.
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21. January 2006 @ 16:46 |
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hi dude,
it seems that the DVD+ group has taking on the false advertising route. According the offical DVD forum specs, DVD+ aren't DVDs so they are not allowed to have the regular DVD R 4.7 Logo, so the group came up with DVD RW logo even when they are R s. And that's why no matter which brand or what type of DVD+R you look they will always be labeld as DVD+RW.
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21. January 2006 @ 17:35 |
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21. January 2006 @ 17:42 |
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yes i have read that.
the main thing is DVD-R are more compatiable than + and that no one can deny.
Other wise u won't notice a difference. and it still pisses me off that they are using flase advertising... just like HDTVs
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21. January 2006 @ 17:51 |
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And that's why no matter which brand or what type of DVD+R you look they will always be labeled as DVD+RW.
DVD+RW is a re-writeable DVD in + format, not DVD+R media.
Older players were only compatible with the -R format but notice I said OLD. If you have bitsetting and take a DVD+R and booktype it to DVD-ROM, it is the MOST playable disk available on ANY Player, including the OLD ones!
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21. January 2006 @ 17:53 |
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the main thing is DVD-R are more compatiable than + and that no one can deny.
that statement is a result of misinformation ...
?Fact .. You CANNOT booktype -R media to DVD-ROM
?Fact .. You CAN booktype +R media to DVD-ROM
?Fact .. DVD-ROM is the MOST COMPATABLE FORMAT
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21. January 2006 @ 18:05 |
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For best compatibility with older DVD players
DVD+R booktyped to DVD-ROM,
For new DVD players, I've had best results with DVD-R
BenQ 1640, tried with various A+ media (Taiyo Yuden, verbatim, Maxell, both + & -))
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21. January 2006 @ 18:13 |
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A store bought DVD is read as DVD-ROM. If you booktype a DVD+R disk as DVD-ROM you now have the MOST compatible disk in ANY player, new or old.
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21. January 2006 @ 18:13 |
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And that's why no matter which brand or what type of DVD+R you look they will always be labeld as DVD+RW.
Not all dvd media has that RW logo. The larger logo is your format-write once or re-writeable.
The small rw logo means reading and writing-totally different.Just because it has those little letters,doesn't mean it's a re-writeable.
Shiny thermal/shiny inkjet printable/and full hub inkjet printables have no logos at all.Solid silver or white,no writing!
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the main thing is DVD-R are more compatiable than + and that no one can deny.
Not according to my benqs and over 50+ stand alone players/ps2 game consoles/and pc drives that have played my backups. The dash format don't even come close to being recognized in those drives.Total waste,if you have the quality booktyping drive. No need to worry about which format to send to who,or which drive to do the burning.
Compatability on those drives: 95%+ when booktyping my plus format.
50% using the dash format. When you backup a lot of friends/family/and other peeps weddings/birthdays/other home videos onto dvd,they do ask for many extra copies.
Now on 3 other pc burners I have:
HP 640c lightscribe
Khypermedia +8x
I/O magic 16x
The KH is plus format only,no booktyping,Not even close to benq's performance.
The I/O is booktyping capable,but the dash format backup outperform the booktyped plus format.
The HP, It's burns were total crap. I just use it to read and lightscribe.
I've got 3 benqs a booktyping and having a hell of a time finding players that won't play them. Throw them a dash,and stand alone player compatability issues out of the wazoo!
It all depends on which burner/brand name you buy. Burners are just like media: Quality will change between brand names.Some brand names use multiple manufacturers: Example: Sony/Philips/HP/I/O Magic.
What format those backups come off of 1 burner,may not be the same from another burner.
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21. January 2006 @ 18:18 |
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true a store bought is a DVD-ROM,
but as I said in my experience DVD-R play better in DVD players released in the last two years.
I do a lot of dvd and games for friends/family and thats been my results thus far.
Some players read the bitsetting differently, older v new.
Burner ____BenQ 1640
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21. January 2006 @ 18:26 |
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but as I said in my experience DVD-R play better in DVD players released in the last two years.
Anything plays better in DVD Players released in the last two years, whether they are bitset to DVD-ROM, DVD-R or just DVD+R that are not bitset.
I also believe it's the majority of aD members that would agree with this statement, not just myself. Since this thread is viewed by more then just a few members, it's important to make sure ALL opinions are discussed.
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21. January 2006 @ 18:30 |
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well,
whether or not they agree, does'nt detract on my experiences.
A few isolated incidencies I've booktyped verbatim DVD+R to DVD-ROM only to have them stall and not read. (this was on a sony DVD player)
Nothing is set in stone where media and players are concerned.
http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/150
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21. January 2006 @ 18:38 |
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what brand of + disc has the DVD-R/4.7 Gb logo ecept with a plus sign???
all + discs, disn't matter if R or RW will have the RW logo. that's false ad.
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21. January 2006 @ 18:41 |
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When the booktype field (bitsetting) is changed to DVD-ROM then DVD players are fooled and will think the user has put in a DVD-ROM disc instead of a DVD+R disc and will read it accordingly. This results in an increased chance that the player is able to read the disc and that?s why the ability to change the booktype field (bitsetting) is essential to a lot of users. Certainly owners of a DVD player that requires this field to be set to DVD-ROM, in order to work properly, will prefer a DVD recorder that supports setting the booktype field.
Thanks for the article which supports what I have been saying. You might notice that the only exception to this might be when you are doing multi-sessions, not normal Movie burns.
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21. January 2006 @ 18:48 |
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The DVD-R format is the oldest DVD recordable format and its original compatibility was good and is probably the best out of the box.
with older players ya DVD+R, with newer DVD-R wins
**** bitsetting on newer players has a negligable effect****
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21. January 2006 @ 19:04 |
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We will focus on DVD-R and DVD+RW as DVD-RAM is hardly used and uses a technique that is totally different from DVD-R and DVD+R. The DVD-R format is the oldest DVD recordable format and its original compatibility was good and is probably the best out of the box. Although the DVD-R format is marketed as the oldest and most compatible DVD recordable format, this isn't necessarily the case.
You forgot the whole paragraph. Out of the box means BEFORE DVD+R Media!
Jan Willem goes on to explain why the newer format DVD+R is the MOST compatible, now that it is available, whether on older or newer DVD Players.
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21. January 2006 @ 19:11 |
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This thread has turned into a can't reason, can't win arguement and has probably used up it's usefulness
this cat's taking his queens and strutting home ... ?meow?
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21. January 2006 @ 19:26 |
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This thread has turned into a can't reason, can't win arguement and has probably used up it's usefulness
this cat's taking his queens and strutting home ... ?meow?
heh I smiled at that, priceless. :)
All we can go on is our own personal experiences, catering for all players (to include older) I've found if I booktype DVD+R then it has the best results.
For new DVD players i have the best compatability results with DVD-R.
Now i'll catch the cab home with Catfreak.
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