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Manual Write Speed Control?
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2xJ
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7. February 2006 @ 10:11 |
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Howdy y'all, I've got a quick question. For some reason, my drive 9 times out of 10 will have an error when I burn at 16x, but has no problem at 8x or anything lower.
Consequently, I set my Nero Recode to burn at that speed. But sometimes, it still burns at the maximum speed, and I get a coaster. Is there a 3rd party program that can control the maximum write speed of the drive? I know NeroDriveSpeed will override the read speed, but I need something to make the 8x speed permanent for when I burn.
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2xJ
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sytyguy
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7. February 2006 @ 10:32 |
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When in Recode, there is an option to select the burn speed, so you can select 8X if that works for you.
rich
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2xJ
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7. February 2006 @ 10:54 |
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Right, I know, and I do that. But it doesn't work sometimes - I will pick 8x, for example, and after analysis/encoding, it will say "Burn Process Started at 16x" and after about 5 minutes I'll have a surefire coaster.
Is there any 3rd party program that can manually control this?
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sytyguy
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7. February 2006 @ 11:21 |
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Maybe you need a firmware upgrade? DVD Decrypter also has an option to set burn speeed.
Rich
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2xJ
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7. February 2006 @ 12:10 |
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I've got the latest firmware for my burner, I've checked.
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sytyguy
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7. February 2006 @ 13:36 |
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What speed is your media rated at? And what media are you using? Hopefully it is not Memorex, yikes?
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Rich
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jerseytam
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9. February 2006 @ 15:59 |
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i know im in the right area FINALLY but im lost. HOW do I manually change the speed? what do i go into? Mine is currently at .8x and is VERY SLOW. it was faster before and i dont know what i did to change it.
jerseytam
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sytyguy
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9. February 2006 @ 17:00 |
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jerseytam,
This is not your thread, but no matter. Very welling to help, if I can?
What software are you using?
What model and make of your burner?
What media are you using.
What firmware is your burner"
And any thing else that can be of value which you can provide?
We are not mind readers, plus we get paid by the number of key strokes that we provide help with........should I type more?
Best regards,
Rich
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jerseytam
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9. February 2006 @ 17:50 |
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ok, im realizing how little i know about this. im on windows xp. the program is "dvd decrypter". I have no idea what make and model burner, i have no idea what media im using or what firmware my burner is?
how can i find out this information for you? PLEASE have patience and dont give up on me. i am a quick learner if you walk me thru it. thanks-Tamara
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sytyguy
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9. February 2006 @ 18:37 |
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To find out what firmware you are on, Select the following in Decrypter.
1.tools
2.Drive
3.Check firmware updates---> it should then tell you which firmware version you are on
5.select OK, and it will take you to a site that you must type in your drive make and model
5a. Go go device manage
5b.to do that right click My Computer
5c.select Manage
5d.select Device Manager
5e.select the + sign on DVD/CD-Rom Drives
5f.write down your burner
6.type your make/model in the search area(on the website Decrypter brought up) and then click search
7.the list will tell you the latest firmware that you should have, so click on it and it will download.
Good luck,
Rich
P.S. I hope I didn't miss anything (I am going to bed, sorry), but I am sure some will come to the rescue if I did.
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brobear
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9. February 2006 @ 20:18 |
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jerseytam
The freeware app DVDInfoPro is the easiest way to get media and drive info, plus there's a lot of handy utilities. If you don't have a suite like Nero, then you need DVDInfoPro if you're going to be doing many DVD backups; at least if you're going to be testing any problems. http://www.DVDInfoPro.com for the download. Normally the app opens on Drive info, make sure the drive you want info on is selected in the box on the lower left. The info on model and fimrware is at the upper right.
If you want info on your media, just have it in the burner with the drive selected and click Media on the top toolbar. Drag the cursor on a selected icon to see what it does.
To set the write speed for DVD Decrypter you have to have it in the ISO W (write mode), click Mode at the top of the window and select ISO W. Then all you do is select the write speed at the lower right. I have them cirled with arrows.
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brobear
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9. February 2006 @ 20:27 |
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By the way, if you set the speed for a burn and it doesn't burn at that speed, then you have to look for such things as DMA off. Some problems affect write speed even when you have the write speed set manually. Hope you don't run into that, just be aware it happens.
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brobear
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9. February 2006 @ 20:38 |
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2xJ
On that 10th try when Nero goes Max on the write, are you sure you set the speed? As long as I've owned Nero, I've never had it burn max unless I forgot to set it. You may want to inquire in the Nero section if anyone has ever had that happen to them.
I'm not aware of any programs that lock a drive to a single speed. Some programs don'e allow for speed adjustments either. Nero, ImgBurn and DVD Decrypter have the manual settings. I suspect others do as well. However, I use Nero for most of my burns. It handles Files and ISO equally well.
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jerseytam
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10. February 2006 @ 10:17 |
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i am at work right now but will try it this afternoon, please standby as i might need further help!! THANKS SOOOOO MUCH!!!-TAMARA
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brobear
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10. February 2006 @ 12:25 |
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No problem. In case you're not aware, ImgBurn is the updated writing software from DVD Decrypter. LUK was legally prevented from supporting DVDD because of the ripper software, but as ImgBurn, he can support the burner software. http://www.imgburn.com That's the link for the website, you can check it out and get a download. It's still free.
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jerseytam
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12. February 2006 @ 16:47 |
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brobear please help!!!!!!!!!!
My DMA mode is fine, I changed the Write mode, but Im wondering, if i change the write mode in ISO, do I still decrypt from "File F" mode? What is the difference? Also, shouldnt I be changing the "read speed"? When I decrypt it says "Read Rate: 1164kb .8x" even after I go in and change the ISO write to 6x. IM LOST AND CONFUSED!!!!
jerseytam
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sytyguy
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12. February 2006 @ 19:04 |
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My DMA mode is fine, I changed the Write mode, but Im wondering, if i change the write mode in ISO, do I still decrypt from "File F" mode? What is the difference? Also, shouldnt I be changing the "read speed"? When I decrypt it says "Read Rate: 1164kb .8x" even after I go in and change the ISO write to 6x. IM LOST AND CONFUSED!!!!
The read speed is not that important, however, the write speed is, depending on the max write speed of your burner. As a general rule, the write speed should only be 1/2 of your max burn speed. So if your burner indicates that it can burn 16x, the the max should be 8x. 4x is what is predominately suggested on this forum. Although, I burn at 8x, but I use great media (Verbatim), and my burner can burn at 16x. So I have no problemo's
Bottom line is, burn at half the rated speed, and make sure you have good media to burn with.
Don't use this media==> Memorex/CMC/Imation/TDK. For best results only use Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim DataLifePlus, Taiyo Yuden & Ritek G05.
Best regards
Rich
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brobear
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13. February 2006 @ 01:06 |
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Not to worry about the read speed. As for modes; F is the File mode where you get the separate files of the VIDEO_TS. This one is good for editing. The only situation you run into is if you have an app for burning that only burns ISO. Shrink can create an ISO from Files, but not many other apps can. So, rip with a plan as to how you're going to use the files later. Rip ISO if you're going to burn ISO is the best bet. If you need to edit, you may want to consider file mode.
Here is a handy guide I noticed some time back at DVD +/-R Digest.
h ttp://www.dvdr-digest.com/articles/18_1.html
The site has some other handy guides, but they're a few years old, then DVD Decrypter and Shrink go back that far. For newer guides check here at AD, Doom9 and at DVDShrink.info. Shrink.info has the easiest quickstart guides. http://www.dvdshrink.info/
Back to media speeds. Burn speed depends on media quality and hardware. With good media and equipment you can burn faster than 4X or over half the media speed or rated speed of the burner. I had a 4X burner I burned at max with it for the longest, until it headed south due to old age (worn out). As an example, I have a Plextor burner. I use 8X +R Taiyo Yuden and Sony media (Sony brand) for recording DVD. The burner will burn that media at 12X, so I don't allow max burns. The media burns good at 6X which is a speed I feel comfortable at. I could probably go up to 8X without problems, I just don't feel comfortable doing that speed yet. 8X is half the rated speed of a 16X burner, 6X is only 3/8. The 4X many say to do is only 1/4. If you have an 8X burner, the math changes. ;) Assuming you have a burner faster than 4X, start at 4X and move up to a 6X burn for R media. If you feel comfortable with moving on up to 8X, give that a try. At this point in time I don't recommend going on up when recording DVD video, but that's a personal preference. Some software has no speed control and they work okay for me as well, I just don't use them too often. So, 4-6X is a safety zone and if your equipment and media will handle it you can go faster. Just remember, the possibility of write errors increase with speed. So, use good judgment and take into account your equipment and media.
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brobear
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13. February 2006 @ 01:32 |
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Don't use this media==> Memorex/CMC/Imation/TDK. For best results only use Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim DataLifePlus, Taiyo Yuden & Ritek G05.
As I've mentioned before, you may want to rethink that statement. Memorex got a bad rep by selling the CMC Magnetics manufactured media. When you say don't use TDK, which of their media do you mean; the media TDK manufactures or media they sell made by other manufacturers? I remember some of that media was made by top companies such as Ricoh and Mitsubishi. I notice you suggest Verbatim. Though no where near the extent of Memorex, Verbatim sells CMC as well. I'm not sure of Imation, but in their +R, they used to have Ricoh as a supplier. It gets rather confusing when you see that some brands make some of their own media and sell that of others and sell their manufactured media to other brands for sale. Then some brands don't manufacture and sell media made by other companies. Plus the market changes. The media a person buys one time may not be the same though the brand is the same. The better brands are usually stable, but they do make periodic changes.
I suggest you say avoid CMC if you don't like it and have personal experience with the media. However, making blanket statements about brands can mislead newbies. "I hate CMC" is something of a forum mantra and many say things about it just because someone else said it. There's now more rumor than actual fact on the matter. Not that I'm taking up for CMC, I still find it questionable. I had a poor experience with CMC media once, but at the same time I was having some of those Nero update problems as well. I'm going to have to go buy some Memorex just so I can give them a fair test. May be a while though, I've still got about 150 Sony-Taiyo Yuden discs to burn.
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sytyguy
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13. February 2006 @ 03:04 |
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brobear,
Thanks for the friendly advice. I have never used CMC, but like you said, that seems to be the mantra here, and in fact, many disc related problems are from these kinds of discs, which we see time after time. Actually, I think I cut and pasted that from someone's sig after they kept pointing to it for numerous newbie's disc related problems.
However, I will change that statement to keep brotherly-love here.
Thanks,
Rich
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brobear
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13. February 2006 @ 03:50 |
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No need, on here you're allowed to say whatever you want. If that's the way you feel, say it. I just like to see some justification when things are getting "slammed". CMC does appear to be the center of some problems, but they're not the cause of every problem that happens with someone using Memorex. A lot of people are obviously having success with CMC because they're staying in business and people keep buying them. Some of the other brands mentioned sell more than CMC, like the Verbatim, Imation and TDK. As I mentioned, I had a minor experience with the brand, but I don't know if it was CMC or a software problem I was having at the time. With all the top grade media available at comparable prices, why would I want to mess with an item (CMC) that is second grade or less.
Where I'm concerned, the jury is still out on CMC. However, I wouldn't advise anyone to run out and buy a spindle.
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13. February 2006 @ 04:04 |
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I had some bad experiences with Memorex when I firsted started burning so I just stay away from them. I only ended up with 20% good burns out of a 50 spindle. I think that is the problem with CMC Mag they just aren't consistent, you can get good you can get bad. I don't slam them outright, but just suggest to try another brand and see if it make a difference. I use CMC Mag CD's have for years and have no problem. It is all in what you get.
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sytyguy
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13. February 2006 @ 04:15 |
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Wow, we've got the 2 bears here, impressive!!!
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If that's the way you feel, say it.
Actually, like I said, I have no experience with the CMC, I just thought, having seen this one person constantly pointing to their sig, which contained a statement such as mine, was a good idea to stress the importance of purchasing good media. And just think if everyone bought good media we would have much less in the way of problem related disc issues, and threads....just dreaming.
I always relish both of you fellow's threads, thanks so much.
Rich
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brobear
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13. February 2006 @ 08:20 |
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Nice to know we're appreciated. ;) Take a bow Arniebear.
If you feel that way about it, you should put in your sig,
Use Quality Media; avoid Memorex-CMC, get the good "stuff": Taiyo Yuden, Sony, Verbatim, Ricoh or other top quality products.
At different times you'll see some people having problems with most brands. Heard the one about the rubber hammer and anvil? Those with problems are usually the most vocal and when things work right, that's to be expected and not praised.
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sytyguy
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13. February 2006 @ 08:28 |
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It is done, but I don't put it in my sig, rather it is in a folder that contains various tips I've garnered from this incredible forum.
Have a great day,
Rich
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