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Couple Of Other DVD Shrink Questions
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grumlenz
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16. February 2006 @ 22:18 |
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I have just begun to get real serious into making DVD backups and before I go through a ton of discs and find out I am not doing something to it's optimum potential I figured I should ask a couple of questions to more experienced users. I have read every guide i can find and have searched around but nothing gets this specific. I appreciate any help/input.
1. What's the lowest compression setting percentage I should settle for on the Main Movie when making a full DVD backup? I do want the best possible quality but also I do want to keep the menus and all. I have not run into a problem yet with this being real low or having bad quality (probably around 60%-65% at the lowest) but I would like to know when the quality gets noticably bad, like at what percentage..just in case. I always do custom ratio and drop the menus and extras to the minimum to get the highest% for the actual movie.
2. Under Main Movie - Compression Settings in the Subpicture area, those are just subtitles right? Would I be smart just to keep the english, or do I even need those if I never plan on using subtitles? I have been keeping them (just the english) because they are small and I didn't really know what it was. (I am really new at this)!
3. Last question..Once you click Backup and the next screen pops up..On the Quality Settings tab, this is what I do (based on a guide I read on here)..
Perform Deep Analysis Before Backup To Improve Quality..this is checked.
Compress Video With High Quality Adaptive Error Compensation..this is checked and Sharp (Default) is chosen in the drop down box...And if I should have this option selected, is Sharp the best one to choose (there is also smooth and max smooth and max sharp).
...I see people who say their backups take a very short time and mine seem to take a while, I am assuming it's because these options are checked. Is there really a quality difference with these options selected vs. not? Time is not really and issue and having the best possible quality backups is, so should I just leave these selected? I didn't really understand exactly what they were for I just checked them because the guide I read had them checked.
Any help would be awesome, thanks guys! This is the best sight I have come across for people with awesome input/opinions/guides and everything else! Awesome site!
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16. February 2006 @ 23:10 |
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1. What's the lowest compression setting percentage I should settle for on the Main Movie when making a full DVD backup? I do want the best possible quality but also I do want to keep the menus and all. I have not run into a problem yet with this being real low or having bad quality (probably around 60%-65% at the lowest) but I would like to know when the quality gets noticably bad, like at what percentage..just in case. I always do custom ratio and drop the menus and extras to the minimum to get the highest% for the actual movie.
Not quite sure what you mean lowest compression, but I think I get what you're trying to say here. I'm a DVD+R "book typing" into DVD-ROM + full disc + (YUDEN, Hitachi Maxell, Verbatim) + Nero Recode 2 person. So anything with 50% on the Video Quality, I'll go with DVD Rebuilder Pro + CCE SP (yes, I have this for high compressions needed) - it is one of the best movie(s) encoder engine that will give you pure/true quality in results.
However, If the Video Quality is 55% - 70%, I use Nero Recode (AA + HQSR = Advanced Analysis + High Quality Slow Recording). If it's 71% and up, I use "AA = Advanced Analysis" only. I prefer Nero Recode 2 because it's faster than DVD Shrink and you can assign the "best quality to the Main Movie", this will improve the quality in results.
As for DVD Shrink, I use the same ratio (i.e. 55% - 70%, I use "DA + AEC with Maximum Sharpness = Deep Analysis + Adaptive Error Compensation. Anything over 70%, I used DA only).
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2. Under Main Movie - Compression Settings in the Subpicture area, those are just subtitles right? Would I be smart just to keep the english, or do I even need those if I never plan on using subtitles? I have been keeping them (just the english) because they are small and I didn't really know what it was. (I am really new at this)!
Yes, Subpicture is the same as Subtitle. I only keep "English", the rest I disabled them all. There's no reason to keep them (don't understand them anyways).
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3. Last question..Once you click Backup and the next screen pops up..On the Quality Settings tab, this is what I do (based on a guide I read on here)..
Perform Deep Analysis Before Backup To Improve Quality..this is checked.
Compress Video With High Quality Adaptive Error Compensation..this is checked and Sharp (Default) is chosen in the drop down box...And if I should have this option selected, is Sharp the best one to choose (there is also smooth and max smooth and max sharp).
If you used/checked both "DA + AEC", then it will take longer, but the results is definitely better and worth the times. You won't be disappointed, especially if you value the quality of your backups.
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...I see people who say their backups take a very short time and mine seem to take a while, I am assuming it's because these options are checked. Is there really a quality difference with these options selected vs. not? Time is not really and issue and having the best possible quality backups is, so should I just leave these selected? I didn't really understand exactly what they were for I just checked them because the guide I read had them checked.
Don't listen to members or people who backed up their movies under 30 minutes and claims that they're experts. Trust me, if you want your backups to be done right, then use them (DA + AEC). Only knowledgeable members take their times to backup their dvds/movies because they/we want the best in results. As a matter of fact, the more knowledgeable users/members takes 2 plus of hrs or 3 hrs to backup their movie(s) with DVD Rebuilder Pro/Basic + CCE SP.
The same thing apply to the ripping process or to successfully decrypt the encryptions -- meaning FREE of dummy cells, fake encrypted sectors, dummy pgcs, etc. I'm refering to "black screen, chapters jumping, glitches, missing parts of movie, etc." If you want your backup to be truly free of junks/craps, then search around and I guarantee that you'll find tons of free tools that are really useful and powerful to have, but that's another story.
Additional things to remember: make sure you always use high quality media like Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim "advanced azo or datalife plus", Hitachi Maxell (made in japan) or Ritek and you'll be fine. Be sure to burn at 4X or 8X only, DON'T burn at 16X or you'll regret down the road. Another good rule of thumb is to update your firmware regularly for burning performances and media compatibility.
Good luck!!
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dolphin2
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16. February 2006 @ 23:29 |
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I'll try to answer your questions as best I can and hope it will be of some help.
1. This will depend on a number of things. Such as your play back equipment, the burn speed used and the media used (Always use top quality media!. There is really no "set" answer for this since everyone has different stuff. The best way to "semi-test" is to use a re-writable disc and see what works best for you (provided your player will play that type of disc. Some don't).
2. If your talking about the files that usually list as 4 or 5 MB, there is no harm in keeping them. That small of file will not make much difference to the compression. The ones that will make a difference are the Audio files.
3. I always do the Deep Analysis and Adaptive Error Compensation checks. As a "rule-of-thumb", most use the following:
90-99.9% - Max Sharp
80-90% - Default Sharp
65-80% - Smooth
<65% - Max Smooth
Time for backups differ due to computer configurations and if something else is being done at the same time (multi-tasking). If it's taking a while, don't be concerned that your not as fast as someone else. The important thing is the end result! Yes, there are differences with the different settings. If you have a large screen TV (52" or bigger) you will see the differences more than on a smaller screen.
Hope this helps. Happy burning!!
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grumlenz
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16. February 2006 @ 23:34 |
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Alkohol, thank you so much! You just saved me tons of frustrations and wondering if I am doing things right! I really appreciate it!
So you are saying it's better to use Maximum Sharpness under Quality Settings then it is to use just Sharp (Default)? How is that for motion scenes, choppy or still just fine? And where exactly can i get these Taiyo Yuden discs? Everything I have read leads me to believe they are awesome, I just don't recall ever having seen that name when I was looking at discs. Are Sony's good? That's what I have for now. I wanted Verbatim's but couldn't find those at Circuit City when I got my drive.
I have yet to learn to use Nero Recode (however I do have it), maybe I should look into that. Shrink has worked fine for me so far but I just started this and after finding out it's not going to be updated again I was considering learning Nero Recode or CloneDVD. I was also reading about VOBblanker for getting rid of those bad cells and whatnot, still a bit too advanced for me but once I get into this more then I can check out all that stuff as well!
Thanks again, you don't even know how much what you said in your last post will help me!
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grumlenz
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16. February 2006 @ 23:38 |
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Dolphin2, thank you very much! When you say this:
"I always do the Deep Analysis and Adaptive Error Compensation checks. As a "rule-of-thumb", most use the following:
90-99.9% - Max Sharp
80-90% - Default Sharp
65-80% - Smooth
<65% - Max Smooth"
What exactly do you mean by those percentages? Like that's the percentage of people who use that option? or that's the option you should used based on the compression % of the main movie or what? Sorry I am a little confused! This is a lot to learn. Thanks again!
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dolphin2
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17. February 2006 @ 00:04 |
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Those are the setting to use based on the initial compression reading of the disc. Not the number of people that use them.
Sorry, I should have been more specific.
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