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All Taiyo Yuden 4x = FAKE
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vairox
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3. March 2006 @ 07:18 |
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I know most of you know this, but if you have any or come across any 4x media with the code TYG02 they are all fake, TY doesn't use that code for 4x media... just a heads up.
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3. March 2006 @ 07:23 |
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I just saw a post the other day where someone got a bunch of fake tys from Newegg.com. You should have seen those error scans. Pure junk!!!
I only get the Yuden000-T02 which are on the Japanese spindles of Sony and fuji +8x. These are sweet as pie!
Is there a code on the bottom of the disc. It should be like TGxxxxxx or similar, just on the inner hub-in the dye.
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3. March 2006 @ 07:39 |
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I only get the Yuden000-T02 which are on the Japanese spindles of Sony and fuji +8x. These are sweet as pie!
not all sony +x8 that are MIJ are TY's though
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vairox
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3. March 2006 @ 07:42 |
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yeah newegg....imagine that.... i suspect my batch i got yesterday from them are fake Taiyo Yuden's.... disc brand = AVB (avbusa.com) label says 4x DVD-R but the discs themselves say 8x DVD-R near the inner ring...no "TGxxxxxx" codes or anything, just a very very small "dvd-r" on one side of the inner ring and "T703" on the other, you have to tilt the disc to see it... they burn fine, no errors or anything, my burner only goes 4x but at 4x everything is fine... label on the spindle says "made in china" so thats a fat tip off right there....
after emailing TY they said that the media code is not used on 4x media so if you have a 4x dvd and it says TYG02 it is without a doubt fake... these are 8, but label says 4...whatever....still think they are fake...
amazing how newegg would sell counterfeit merchandise...
whats more amazing?
our government who yells every chance it gets about china's media piracy, but allows the importation of fake media.... i guess if they get a piece of the action through import taxes and sales taxes then it's ok....but if they are copied and sold on the streets of china it's bad.... sweet.
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3. March 2006 @ 07:48 |
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www.supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-4x-dvd-r-media-silver-matte-spindles.html
So these are fake?
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dilligaf9
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3. March 2006 @ 07:59 |
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Vairox... I would not go as far as to say the 4x are fake TYgo2 without the code on the inner hub, These may be 4x Value Discs as were discussed here http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/297550.. Being new to this and watching the advancements in the speed of the DVD media I would say that TY has not produced True 4x media for some time now, meaning production has moved up to 8x and next to 16x?...As the recording speed advances, changes are made to the dyes and discs to keep up with the recording speeds, even though most on the forum still burn at lower speeds, Ty would produce a disc that would be backwards compatible with slower burners. It is a high possibilty these TYgo2 are the Value Discs which would be current shelf stock of any company which sells and moves a lot of media, rated at 4x but which are actually 8x. It seems that media is changing faster than ever and it is selling faster than ever. A good example is try and find MIJ Fujis anywhere, in fact any MIJ media is getting harder to find in local stores,its kinda difficult unless the store has old stock and does not move a lot of product. I think those 4x are real TYs just there Second class media for people who want to save some money...This could be where we start the TY Media Value Disc list of the ID # that give bad results and high errors. Plus you have to realize the more people that use TY discs, the greater the feedback will be good or bad...
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dilligaf9
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3. March 2006 @ 08:13 |
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XX...I have purchased those discs from SMS and they are Real TYs they are 8x. They are the Value discs as read in their part number . It has VAL in the product number.
vairox .. I see the id code in your next post. You are 100 percent correct , they are not what you thought they were. Thats bad business on the selling store... How were they wrapped? Maybe they are trying for a knockof off the TY packing since it is so plain and generic, and no copyright laws would be broken...
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3. March 2006 @ 08:23 |
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You're ok with rima.com/supermediastore.com/and meritline. Americal.com is ok,any other site,I'd avoid!
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vairox
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3. March 2006 @ 08:28 |
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ruins - according to TY those would have to be fake, but of course it could be very old stock... but according to them they dont make 4x with that code....heres the email
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Dear XXXXXX
Thank you for your e-mail.
First of all, TYG02 is not for the media code of DVD-R4X.
If you are really sure that your DVD is 4X and its Media code is TYG02, then it will not be our product. Just in case, if you can read the number written in the inner edge of the disc, it will be helpful for us to bring up more info for you.
Finally I think that it is a way for you to make sure with your supplier whether this is our product or not.
Best regards,
S, Yamaguchi
dilli - just like this, only it said 4x instead of 8x on the wrapper, though the discs inside were 8x.... so you saw my other thread where i posted the dvdinfo stuff? looks fke huh?
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dilligaf9
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3. March 2006 @ 08:43 |
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XX and vairox... Those 4x discs at Super media are most likely, and I am 95 percent sure, new current stock. The Mfr number is DVD-R47VAL600, they list the id codes as multiple because the Value Discs are a second class product and depending on the batch you may get TYG01, TYG02 or TYG03. Which could be 4x 8x or 16x. So some people are ecstatic that they ordered 4x and got 8x instead thinking they got the better end of the stick, when actually they just got the 8x in lower class media. First grade TY media WILL NOT HAVE "VAL" in the mfr number...
Did the ad for those discs actually say TY? The wrapper is not even close... Anyone out there in DVD land have a pic of the TY cake spindle?
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hwrench
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3. March 2006 @ 08:45 |
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who told you avb are ty's. new egg sells them as avb.
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dilligaf9
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3. March 2006 @ 08:58 |
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It seems AVB has had a bunch of different manufacturers... Including Fuji, Ritek MCC TY Vanguard and OO1???? WTF are those OO1? So its a game of who will make the cheapest disc for us this week.. The companies just care about the $$$$$$ and we the consumers are the Guinea pigs....
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vairox
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3. March 2006 @ 10:44 |
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hwrench - dvdinfo told me they were TY's.... as said above...
dilli - no they didn't advertise as TY but no one does but the actual media only stores, comp usa, CC, BB etc don't care what they are. and neither do their customers so they don't tell you... why does TY make 4x value media but say in an email they don't use that code for 4x? i'd much rather have even 2x QUALITY rock solid stuff than 16x garbage....
newegg sells fake crap, good to know....probably sells counterfeit intel processors and asus mobos too...
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3. March 2006 @ 12:02 |
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So your advice would be not to get those?
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dilligaf9
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3. March 2006 @ 12:23 |
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vairox.... My opinion on TY saying they dont make 4x. Well at some point in the beginning Im sure they made 1x, then 2x then 4x, then 8x then 16x and maybe even 18 x in the future. As the burn rate speeds increase the composition of the dye and disc material changes, hopefully for the better. Now that the norm today is 8x and 16x for the burners more of a sales gimmick, since we all burn slow here, the dye composition is changed to the higher burn speed, TY or any other company is not going to go backwards with the composition of dyes so what is being made into discs are what is in the blender now, 8x and higher...So if you are a normal joe and order 100 4x discs and get 100 8x discs would you not feel like you beat the system and got one over on the big company? Since the discs will burn at lower speeds it does not matter, you in theory got a higher priced product for a lower price, and because you can blast those dvds out at 8x rather then 4x or 2x you are happy... But We here at AD Forum are much more educated and not normal joes. This dealing with the advertised 4x TY Value Disc media is something that just got exposed over the last few months...Look at the ad for it closely and then go to the printable TY media ad , The Premium 1st class does not say multiple posibilities for the code, only one. The 4x TY media advertised is just a marketing ploy to move and sell second class or whatever media it is to us....
XX... The supermedia store TY stuff is fine, The Value disc is cheaper and no major problems yet? Otherwise spend the extra 10cents and get the Premium TY disc....
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3. March 2006 @ 13:18 |
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Seeing all the posts about peeps getting fake tys,they are always the dash format. I haven't heard of any fake ty plus format media.
Has anybody else?
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vairox
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3. March 2006 @ 19:17 |
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hwrench
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3. March 2006 @ 20:27 |
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missed the infopro in your post, I thought i might have some fakes of sony +rs. I was looking at the clear part of the inner ring, but the tgxxxx code is in the silver ring of the hub. very hard to find if you have never found it before. don't know if you are aware of this or not. doc ty explaned it for me.
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3. March 2006 @ 21:54 |
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Here is a post or reply, taken from the "Official Doc TY Taiyo Yuden Thread... Q&A welcome".
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so a quick recap:
Taiyo Yuden rated speed & format/ media ID coding / inner hub reading
4x dvd-r = TYG01 / GD00xxxx
8x dvd-r = TYG02 / GG00xxxx
16x dvd-r = TYG03 / GH00xxxx
4x dvd+r = YUDEN000T01 / i don't know cuz i don't have any :P
8x dvd+r = YUDEN000T02 / TG00xxxx
16x dvd+r = YUDEN000T03 / TH00xxxx
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4. March 2006 @ 16:30 |
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:)
AVB are fake TYs...thanks for the quote alkohol...to assure authenticity, Taiyo Yudens MUST have those 3 qualities for them to be real~ rated speed/media ID coding/inner hub readings...also, made in japan is a dead giveaway~ :)
if you find ANY discs/media that are made in taiwan with a TYG02 coding, INSTANT FAKE TYs...i have some Linkyo 8x DVD-R with the same coding, FAKE TYs...Linkyo is supermediastore's house brand btw...
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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vairox
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4. March 2006 @ 18:46 |
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nice....but do they advertise them as TY's ? even if they don't, knowing they sell fake TY's only further's the problem they seem to be appearing to solve with their "guaranteed genuine" junk...
btw just got some imations from wally world, bet these are gonna be fun.... i didnt buy them though
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4. March 2006 @ 20:37 |
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btw just got some imations from wally world, bet these are gonna be fun.... i didnt buy them though
Have fun with those Imations and be ready to expect some freezing, glitches, etc. down the road. Good luck!!
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vairox
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4. March 2006 @ 20:43 |
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haha i bet, g/f's cousin bought them since she wanted some movies....i told her she had to buy the dvd-r's then and it was just a 30 pack.... heres the media ID....from videohelp it seems mixed, some claim good, just more crap
ID:
CMC MAG. AE1
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4. March 2006 @ 21:00 |
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Whoa, I can't believe newegg is being slammed! I bought three spindles off them and they are all authentic TY's. They all adhere to the criteria Doc has provided with us, plus the DVDIdentifier coded them out correctly. The numbers around the center ring/hub (whatever it's called) match up. The catch:
They are plus R (+R).
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4. March 2006 @ 21:49 |
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what do the numbers around the hub mean?? i don't know what they mean i have 100 pack DVD-R fujifilm 8x and verbatim 16x and there's numbers around the hub what do they mean also they are both made in taiwan are these good i got them at bestbuy ty
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