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problems with king kong and narnia
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Devoncs
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2. April 2006 @ 07:25 |
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I tried Narnia last week with Fab, and it ripped fine. I tried to compress it with DVD2SVCD and CCE, but the video is delayed 10 seconds. I tried reripping the original rip with shrink, uncompressed, and then putting that smaller, simpler ifo through DVD2SVCD and it's the same problem, only a 2 second delay, rather than 10. But the uncompressed shrink is perfect, as far as the audio/video delay goes. So shrink can handle whatever is bothering DVD2SVCD, but I can't figure out what is causing the delay. Looks like I'll have to just burn the original fab rip to a DL disk (at 10x the cost).
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brobear
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2. April 2006 @ 10:13 |
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When the regular release copies come out, we'll see. Not everyone has access to early copies. I'll be giving them a go with RB/CCE.
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2. April 2006 @ 10:28 |
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I just burned Narnia yesterday from a buddy who got it, what 3 days early.
Shrink, Decrypter, and FabDecrypter all failed. It eventually took AnyDVD (running in the back) with CloneDvd2 to rip it. It came out beautifully with no freezes or skips of anykind.
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brobear
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2. April 2006 @ 10:34 |
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This I find more believable. I'm still looking forward to getting a copy. You wouldn't still have access to the disc would you? A screenshot of the AnyDVD info window would be interesting.
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Devoncs
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2. April 2006 @ 10:43 |
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don't know about a screencap, but here's what it shows when I pop the disk in, right click on the AnyDVD icon and click "Show information"
Summary for drive E: (AnyDVD 5.9.4.1)
Drive (Hardware) Region: 1
Media is a Data DVD.
Booktype: dvd-rom (version 1), Layers: 2 (opposite)
Size of first Layer: 2026976 sectors (3958 MBytes)
Total size: 4008432 sectors (7828 MBytes)
Video DVD (or CD) label: LSE0NNW1
Media is CSS protected!
Video Standard: NTSC
Media is locked to region(s): 1!
RCE protection not found.
Found & removed wrong DVD structure!
Found & removed Macrovision RipGuard protection!
Found & removed error zones between files!
Found & removed invalid program from program chain!
Autorun not found on Video DVD.
Found & removed 2 bad sector protections!
Emulating RPC-2 drive with region 1!
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brobear
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2. April 2006 @ 11:23 |
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Quote:
Found & removed Macrovision RipGuard protection!
Found & removed error zones between files!
Found & removed invalid program from program chain!
Autorun not found on Video DVD.
Found & removed 2 bad sector protections!
That is what I was interested in seeing. That's enough to know that DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink are not going to do the release alone; at least not with that copyright protection. The DVD Decrypter with PgcEdit for the PSL2 system will work, but not DVD Decrypter alone. LUK was good, but he wasn't clairvoyant. DVDD is good, but it occasionally had to be updated for new copyright protection. I'll qualify what I said: If a person takes the time to edit and rip just the movie alone, then that may work, but that is leaving out the niceties of a DVD, such as menus, settings, and navigation. Also, the user has become the decrypter, not the software, it wouldn't be a job for the novice user. If a person is going to take that much trouble with DVDD, why not just use the PgcEdit method, it should be easier? Check out the Alkohol guides here at AD, I believe he had something on that process. If you can't find it, PM him. I'll just continue to do things the easy way myself using AnyDVD.
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Devoncs
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2. April 2006 @ 11:35 |
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well Fab 2.9.7.2 worked for me on the first try, so I was able to copy the whole movie if I wanted, but I tend to throw out everything and keep just the main video. I don't need to see menus when I rip out the features that I'll only watch once anyway and I don't need the foreign language audio tracks, so I usually just go for a slim movie-only DVD. CCE is better than shrink, so I use that, but I think these Disney DVDs are complicating the process that I use to have CCE compress it. I'll do another compression on it tonight using the AnyDVD rip I just made and see if whatever it does differently from fab makes a difference in how the recompressing programs behave.
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brobear
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2. April 2006 @ 11:50 |
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With the problem Sony and Disney releases, there have been some file compliance problems caused by the copyright protection. AnyDVD has a ripper that incorporates FixVTS for processing the files and doing repairs during the rip to the HD. I still use AnyDVD + DVD Decrypter (with Slysoft preferred settings) to rip to the HD and then use FixVTS as needed. That way I can have the original ripped files to work with. If I run into compliance issues, I use FixVTS to create a repaired set of files with the original ripped source in a backup folder. The AnyDVD ripper is easiest, the method I use gives me a couple of extra options. Then for encoding the files I use Rebuilder with CCE SP set to 3 passes. If you're not using RB, you should give it a try. There's a free version, I opted for the Pro. With a supported burner (DVD Decrypter and ImgBurn) it can be set to auto burn the output. I do batch files (3 or 4 DVDs) and do the burns separately with Nero Express.
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brobear
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2. April 2006 @ 12:08 |
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Devoncs
In case you're interested, in the RB Settings/Setup, you can select a preferred language for audio and subtitles, and select a sound track option, such as AC3 or DTS when available. It will also remove the Director comments if you check the box. It robs space on extras. There's 4 options of Backup from Movie Only to Full Backup. So, the app can be set to automatically trim down a set of files the way the user wants. It works great at default, but as a person learns to use it and make selections, it can do a lot of editing work automatically.
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Devoncs
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2. April 2006 @ 12:17 |
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Rebuilder, eh? I'll have to give that a try. I got started about 5 or 6 years ago with flask and DivX, then got DVD2SVCD to do svcds. when it could do dvd2dvd, I stuck with it. I may have to make the switch to rebuilder if it can handle the problems I'm having with movies like narnia. Thanks for the advice Brobear.
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brobear
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2. April 2006 @ 12:46 |
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The problem may be in the decryption phase. As I mentioned, some new releases are causing compliance problems. As you know, getting a clean and compliant source is the key to any successful project. Try the method I'm using to see if that helps, AnyDVD + DVD Decrypter (SPTI selected, no CSS Cracking, and no Check for Structure Protection as per Slysoft recommendations), and then process with FixVTS when necessary. If it's a new release with Arccoss or Ripguard (or both) you may want to run the files through FixVTS (freeware) as a precaution. It doesn't take that long and it is a preemptive option to prevent possible problems you may run into. With that, RB will do all I mentioned. Probably more as I often leave things out. http://www.dvd-rb.com is the link to get all you need for the RB set up. AnyDVD has a full function trial, so no problems giving it a try. http://www.slysoft.com
Added Note: I should have added, AnyDVD includes a ripper that incorporates the FixVTS. So, the easy way is to rip to the HD with that and open the files from there. I just prefer the options I have doing it the manual way.
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Jigen
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2. April 2006 @ 13:41 |
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Great, you like AnyDVD. My take on the thing is that 90% of the time it's useless because DVD Decrypter will do the job alone. The other 10% it performs a function, but nothing that FREE programs won't do for, well, free.
Also, there is nothing hard about the PGCedit plugin. It launches, it fixes the problems, and then you're done all automagically.
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brobear
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2. April 2006 @ 16:35 |
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If that's your preference. PgcEdit with DVD Decrypter and the PSL2 system is just time consuming and a bit difficult the first few times a novice uses it. True, DVD Decrypter will do the old releases but as time goes on and more releases come along with the newer copyright protection, the percentage of its success will decrease. If one has AnyDVD, why not use it for everything. It does the releases DVD Decrypter can't do alone (the so called 10%) and the ones it can. In other words, it does 100% where DVD Decrypter can't by itself.
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jed
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2. April 2006 @ 21:40 |
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both can be copied using dvd region+css free running in the background while using shrink dvd to copy. never had any problems and i get them a week b4 release
Currently using the following w/o any problems to date:
AnyDvd, DvdDecrypter, DvdShrink, DvdFab Gold, DvdIdle Pro, Dvd Region-CSS Free, CloneDVD2, Nero Ultimate.
Working for a major DVD Distributor has its perks.
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brobear
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2. April 2006 @ 22:07 |
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DVD Region + CSS Free is similar to AnyDVD in function. The fault with it is that Fengtao is often slow with needed updates when new copyright protection is found on a new release. They eventually get there. Slysoft has consistently been the first with the needed updates. I used to have both, but I've neglected to reload the Region Free on my system due to the slow updates. I've not heard of it being able to do the new releases with compliance problems due to the newer Arccoss and Ripguard. Those usually need processing with VobBlanker or FixVTS following a rip. AnyDVD now has a ripper with FixVTS as part of the package.
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3. April 2006 @ 05:20 |
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Thanks brobear for the link to fixvts. will have to try it out. i did just buy memiors of a geisha, and king king. backed up kong perfect with AnyDVD and clonedvd(did burn it to fast and got some big noticable pixles reburned it at 2.4x is awsome)but when i went to do geisha AnyDVD and CloneDVD gave me a error in the first VOB file.took it to dvdfabdecrypter then to clone and got a perfect copy.
I, like you do think AnyDVD is great but have had a few problems with some of the sony movies but nothing that a newbie like me couldnt fix useing one of the other great programs.
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brobear
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3. April 2006 @ 07:23 |
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You could have used the included ripper that comes with AnyDVD, instead of going to the DVDFab Decrypter. Personaly, I use AnyDVD + DVD Decrypter and then use FixVTS as necessary. As I've been mentioning, the AnyDVD ripper processes the files for compliance using FixVTS while it does the rip to the hard drive. Then you only need to open your processed files from the hard drive with CloneDVD 2 or the software of choice. AnyDVD has the bases covered. A lot of people are so used to AnyDVD just running in the background, they haven't paid any attention to the new ripper. On some of the new releases processing for compliance has been a necessity. So, if you pay attention to what you've got, I don't see the need for any other great programs needed for the new Sony and Disney releases.
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Devoncs
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3. April 2006 @ 08:51 |
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Ok, well the report on how Narnia went with the new ripping and rebuilder:
Ripped just fine with AnyDVD and decryptor like you suggested it would, Brobear. I did memoirs a couple weeks ago, before I obtained AnyDVD, and fab was required for it to rip properly. I believe kong was also fine, but I used fab on it, so don't know if it had any special newfangled protection.
I used rebuilder to do menu and movie only. tweaked a few of the settings for CCE and possibly some others. it kept extras like the screeners and the Disney DVD screen and the fibbi warnings, while stripping the real extras. It did keep the extra audio listed in the ifo files, so they're selectable while watching, though empty. I know shrink rips those out of the ifo, so I ran it through there to see if it would do that, and it didn't remove anything from the ifos. Oh well. I'll do movie only in the future.
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brobear
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3. April 2006 @ 10:40 |
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With the excellent encoding done by RB/CCE, I do all my projects full disc with English and Dolby as the selected options. I watch the movies on a 60" TV, so errors would be noticable. In some cases the copy plays better than the original. Case in point was a backup I did of a used disc that was scratched up. The scratched original would hesitate in a couple of spots where the copy didn't. The beauty of RB/CCE is that the editing isn't really necessary. When I first started out, I liked to edit, but as I noticed the quality of the output, RB has made me lazy. Some of the big blockbusters, like "LOTR" and "Pirates of the Caribbean" don't have much to edit out anyway.
When you go into Reauthor with Shrink, it puts all menu functions into a nonfunctional file. So, you're just getting what you select in there.
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exxitar
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3. April 2006 @ 21:33 |
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yeah brobear shrink alone would not rip the movie so i use decrypter then it still didn't shrink it so i used PgcEdit it contains all the plug ins i need like FixVTS that did the trick then i was able to shrink it and burn it with Nero, with out this method shrink will give me error message.
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brobear
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4. April 2006 @ 07:25 |
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The PgcEdit with DVD Decrypter and FixVTS along with the other utilities that can be used are a good system to fall back on. It usually takes a guide the first few times through. I learned the process, but I've yet had to rely on it. I've had AnyDVD for the longest and with it and DVD Decrypter I've always gotten a good rip, though on occasion I have had to process for compliance with FixVTS. AnyDVD takes out all those steps involved with using the PgcEdit method. AnyDVD had paid for itself by just being quick and easy, not to mention it being updated faster than the other comparable software on the market.
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mcmenace
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4. April 2006 @ 13:26 |
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anybody with narnia trouble.........
Just did legally purchased narnia (for those who care) with clonedvd2 v 2.8.9.2, AnyDVD v5.9.4.1, and region free + css v5.9.7.2 and it backed up entire disc at about 50% in about 1/2 hour or so. Smooth, fast, and EZ, the way I like it, no muss no fuss. The sheep had a couple messages not usually seen, ie found and corrected IFO format errors and truncated invalid title unit entries. AnyDVD came up with a bunch of probs/fixes I didnt bother writing down. Movie must be LOADED with entire reperatoire LOL. Gonna try it with just movie and menus next and see what ratio I can get, while I watch backup and check. First 2 progs mentioned have trials, so ya don't have to spend any money unless you think it's worth it (which I do) last one not sure, might not even need it but it's there so I use it.
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mcmenace
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4. April 2006 @ 14:20 |
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FYI
Best ratio I could obtain, deleting the DTS, and ETC, was 71%, that being movie and menu's only. Believe that is because movie is 2.26 hours in length w/5.1 min. Tried that, compared to "quality ratio" of around 50% w/ everything, don't really notice a difference in image quality, however, using HDTV/DIT/DVD w Prog Scan to watch on so with that in mind, it looks fine either way, ie with or without DTS and bonus stuff.
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4. April 2006 @ 15:39 |
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Just did Narnia and backed up perfectly. Tried it first using DVD Decrypter with AnyDVD running in the background and then tried to open with Shrink and Recode but neither program would do it they both errored out. Then used the AnyDVD ripper that is improved with the current update and both programs will then open the file.
Used DVDRB/CCE to back up movie only and got a flawless backup. Movie with the menu shows 71% compression, get rid of the menu and you get 78%.
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2000neon
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4. April 2006 @ 15:53 |
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i just finished burning Narnia
i tried first with AnyDVD in background and clonedvd2
but kept getting errors
then i downloaded latest version of AnyDVD (21 day trial)
worked perfect
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