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3. April 2006 @ 14:14 |
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@jpcm
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I bought a 50 packs of Sony DVD+R 8x (Made in Japan) and a 50 pack of Sony DVD-R 16x (Made in Taiwan) at Staples today. I dont want to open them until I know which are the TY's. Does anyone have the media codes to these?
the Sony DVD+R 8x MIJ are Taiyo Yudens, with the YUDEN000T02 coding...while the Sony DVD-R 16x MIT are NOT TYs with the SONY16D1 media ID coding~ :)
so to answer your question, in your case, keep the MIJ (made in japan) ones that are TYs and return the 16x DVD-R MIT as they are NOT TYs (assuming you are looking for TYs to begin with) :)
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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jpcm
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3. April 2006 @ 17:58 |
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I went back to a different Staples, and they had Sony DVD+R MIJ 16x, which, I assume, are TY (YUDEN). The +R MIJ 16x and +R MIT 16x are the same product number, so you do have to check for the MIJ to know what you are getting.
Thanks for the help!
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Negritude
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3. April 2006 @ 18:44 |
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Some of you folks seem to be a bit behind on the media scene. If DocTY isn't here to hold your hand, you go off track. Let me help you out:
FACT: Taiyo Yuden 16x DVD-R media is now being sold under the Sony brand name. This has been verified all across the United States. I have 10 50-pack spindles sitting in front of me that I purchased at the Staples office supply retail chain.
FACT: The criteria for finding this media is simple: (1) Made in Japan on the label, (2) a foam spacer at the top of the spindle which is octagonal in shape (8 sides).
FACT: The same criteria for finding 16x TYG03s also applies to finding 8x TYG02s (made in Japan and octagonal foam spacer). Remember, I am talking about DVD-R and not DVD+R.
FACT: As yet, there have been no reports of anyone finding Taiyo Yuden 16x DVD+R disks under the Sony brand.
FACT: Currently, the old criteria for finding Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD+R under the Sony brand still applies, as long as it's Made in Japan, it should be TY. Note however that even though the 8x MIJ DVD+R disks can have either a round or octagonal foam spacer at the top of the spindle, this spacer currently has no significance for +R media. All of the 8x MIJ +R is TY, so the spacer means nothing, yet.
FACT: In regards to the Sony 16x DVD+R media, it hasn't yet been determined whether the presence of an octagonal foam spacer will be an indicator of TY media. It could be that Sony has done a reverse switch with TY production, and, as in the past, when most of the MIJ -R was Sony made and most of the +R was TY made, it could be that now, most of the -R will be TY, and most of the +R ill be Sony. It would be poetic justice as far as I'm concerned because I've always preferred -R, and felt jealous of the fact that +R users had an easier time of finding TY. Now the +R users may have to switch back to -R if they want to get rebranded TY. We'll have to wait and see.
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dilligaf9
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3. April 2006 @ 19:08 |
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Negritude....... Thanks for the specific Sony info, it will make it much easier to search the store stock....
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jpcm
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3. April 2006 @ 21:13 |
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FACT: In regards to the Sony 16x DVD+R media, it hasn't yet been determined whether the presence of an octagonal foam spacer will be an indicator of TY media. It could be that Sony has done a reverse switch with TY production, and, as in the past, when most of the MIJ -R was Sony made and most of the +R was TY made, it could be that now, most of the -R will be TY, and most of the +R ill be Sony. It would be poetic justice as far as I'm concerned because I've always preferred -R, and felt jealous of the fact that +R users had an easier time of finding TY. Now the +R users may have to switch back to -R if they want to get rebranded TY. We'll have to wait and see.
Im afraid I do need my hand held on this one. Id rather not risk opening a box of non-ty's - if a disc is "Sony-made" will it be MIJ? Will MIJ mean Sony DVDs are TY, whether +R or -R?
Thanks!
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delateur
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3. April 2006 @ 21:25 |
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@jpcm: MIJ means Made in Japan, so if you see a stack of Sony DVDs, regardless of the format, that are Made in Japan, or that have the octagonal foam spacer (which is exclusive to the Made in Japan Sonys only), this means you are getting genuine Taiyo Yuden media. So, simple rule:
Sony, Made in Japan = Taiyo Yuden = GREAT media
Happy media buying!
PS: Sony Made in Taiwan media is NOT poor media by any means. However, it IS inferior to Taiyo Yuden, so if you're looking for the very best, stick with the Sony Made in Japan.
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jpcm
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3. April 2006 @ 21:36 |
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Thanks delateur.
I generally only buy TYs online, but Staples sent me a $10 gift card, and so I got 2 50 packs for about 21 bucks. Im normally a TY -R user, but I figured Id rather use TY +R's than Sony -R's.
Thanks!
jpcm
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Unjust2u
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3. April 2006 @ 21:43 |
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Hello jpcm , I thought i would let you know about my experience with sony made in japan 16x dvd+r's that i bought from compusa. First off they coded out as Manufacturer ID: [Sony], Media Type ID: [D21], recording speeds 1x thru 16x. Well i almost finished the whole 50 pack and i have burned these disks at 8x speed without a single Coaster, they might not be Taiyo Yudens like Negritude explained above but they also aren't too bad. just my two cents/Unjust
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jpcm
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3. April 2006 @ 21:52 |
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Thanks Unjust,
I just checked the +R 8x's and they coded as Yuden 000-T02, and yes, they did have the octagonal spacer. I may check back midweek at my local Staples and see if they restocked. I have yet to see Sony 16x -R's MIJ, but as Im a TY guy, if I can find these, Ill get 'em.
...But hey! if the non-TY MIJ's are working, who's to argue?
jpcm
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3. April 2006 @ 22:07 |
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@all
well, let me clarify this a bit, thank you negritude for the nice "checklist" :)
there has been a common misconception that if SONY branded media is "MIJ", then it is made by Taiyo Yuden, this is NOT TRUE. as we have seen in the 8x rated media, and people have found a good way to distinguish the "ty made" ones from the non-TY made ones pretty well (ie. the octagonal spacer, or the more commonly looked for the "made in japan" or "fabrique au japon" on the label, etc.etc.) this whole "made in japan" = taiyo yuden is NOT TRUE.
there are a few ways to AUTHENTICATE genuine Taiyo Yuden media, as is stated in my official TY thread found here:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/296925
look at my very first post in the thread, all GENUINE (without a doubt) taiyo yuden media must adhere to those guidelines...correct format and rated speed + media ID coding + inner hub readings on the actual disc themselves and they MUST be "made in japan" which should go without saying...
i have had a lengthy conversation with my Taiyo Yuden rep. regarding what has been said here on AfterDawn about Sony "claiming" that all MIJ Sony's are made by Taiyo Yuden, i am here to dispell this MYTH right now...even if SOME of all the other "factors" in my thread are present, the MAIN thing to look for is the "inner hub" readings that i talk about...it seems to me that many people are just "under the assumption" that if it's Sony MIJ media, it's TY, once again...check for the inner hub numbers i talk about, IF they are NOT there, then they are NOT Taiyo Yuden manufactured..simple as that...
i have compared notes with quite a few addicts on here that do or HAVE purchased Sony MIJ media in either format before...IF they are Sony coded, even if made in japan, then they are NOT made by Taiyo Yuden...one way you can easily check the validity of my statement here is look around the inner hub of those MIJ Sony's for the GG000xxx/TG000xxx coding (8x DVD-R and 8x DVD+R respectively), if you run them through a dvd identifier program and the resulting MID coding is "SONY," that does NOT make them TY produced...Sony MID coding is even found on the MIT (made in taiwan) spindles, that should be a dead giveaway if people tell you that ALL MIJ Sony's are TYs...once again, FALSE~ :)
i might not be explaining it very clearly here, but based on my "technique" of authenticating genuine TYs (as i was taught by my rep. that works for Taiyo Yuden, from the horse's mouth you could say) there is no "better" way to tell if what you purchase is Taiyo Yuden made or not...
i'm going to quote MYSELF here :
Taiyo Yuden rated speed & format/ media ID coding / inner hub reading
4x DVD-R = TYG01 / GD00xxxx
8x DVD-R = TYG02 / GG00xxxx
16x DVD-R = TYG03 / GH00xxxx
4x DVD+R = YUDEN000T01 / i don't know cuz i don't have any :P
8x DVD+R = YUDEN000T02 / TG00xxxx
16x DVD+R = YUDEN000T03 / TH00xxxx
that is what you look for, the "xxxx" i mention in all the inner hub readings is a numerical value of the batch number of when they were produced...
so, bottom line, if you do not find these inner hub readings just outside of the clear hole in the middle of the disc (it's laser inscribed right where the dye begins) then they are NOT produced by Taiyo Yuden...
for those of you that want to argue with me about "Sony told me this and that and such and such..." i get my information DIRECTLY from Taiyo Yuden, the manufacturer, not the other companies that relabel media purchased from taiyo yuden and sell it in retail stores under their own name...(ie. TYs have been found under the Fuji, Sony, TDK brands; but simply finding the MIJ spindles DOES NOT guarantee this) :)
@jpcm
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I went back to a different Staples, and they had Sony DVD+R MIJ 16x, which, I assume, are TY (YUDEN). The +R MIJ 16x and +R MIT 16x are the same product number, so you do have to check for the MIJ to know what you are getting.
definitely NOT true...Taiyo Yuden has yet to release the 16x DVD+R here in the U.S. at this time, i have a few of them, 10 pieces to be exact, and they are YUDEN000T03 coded, i obtained mine directly from Taiyo Yuden...
if you do purchase the Sony 16x DVD+R MIJ spindles, run them through a dvd identifier program, you WILL SEE that that they are SONYD21 coded, NOT the YUDEN000T03 that i mentioned above on GENUINE 16x DVD+R TYs...also, look near the inner hub, IF you find the TH000xxx reading, then they ARE produced by Taiyo Yuden, if NOT, then they are NOT TYs~ :)
i am willing to bet that you will NOT find the "TH000xxx" coding around the hub if you buy the Sony 16x DVD+R MIJ spindles...therefore, making them NOT Taiyo Yuden produced...simple check to guarantee you get what you get...
if anyone else has any other questions/specifics that need to be addressed by me, post it in my TY thread
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/296925
i will be more than happy to clarify any "myths" or "misconceptions" one may have concerning the authenticity of their media, whether they are Taiyo Yudens or not...
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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jpcm
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3. April 2006 @ 22:37 |
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The master has spoken!
Thanks Doc - I didnt think I remembered seeing TY+R 16x (just -R's). Once again you have held our hands and led us through the foggy haze of Rebrandedistan.
Anyhow, it's worth a trip back to Staples to try and find another spindle of Sony 8x's that I KNOW are TY's. I do feel like an idiot asking if they can "check in back" to see if they have any more MIJ Sonys, when they look over at the shelf and see it stocked with (what appears to them like) exactly what Im looking for. The product number and packaging is the same(-the MIJ), and they look at me like "are you crazy, man? what's the difference...you want me to look through our stock and try to read that little print on the back to see whether it's made in Taiwan or Japan?"
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4. April 2006 @ 06:27 |
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kivory666- He's Back!!!!! - Let's just hope Sony keeps using Taiyo Yuden as an OEM and that They Don't Go all Fuji on us Right ? Otherwise there's always the reputable online retailers right ! _ _once again you enrich us with your endless knowledge of all things taiyo Yuden Doc ! again Welcome back ! Happy Burning!
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4. April 2006 @ 08:19 |
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thanks for the lecture kivory :)
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Negritude
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4. April 2006 @ 11:47 |
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The reason that people have the misconception that all Sony MIJ media is TY media is because they made the false assumption that a salesperson or a receptionist could be an accurate authority on who makes Sony media. I didn't need docTY to tell me that you're not going to get the specifics about the media just by making a phone call to Sony. That never works. Unless you speak directly to an engineer who's a liaison with the different manufacturers, you will NEVER get an accurate answer to that kind of question. And guess what? You're never going to be able to reach that person. This applies to all computer stuff. Salespeople don't know jack. They just spit out generic answers to get people off the phone, but they never know what is really happening. Stop blaming Sony, and start learning how to obtain accurate information. It's your fault for listening to a receptionist in the first place, and it's your fault for spreading the false information without knowing it's source.
It really isn't that complicated, but some people make it out to be.
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4. April 2006 @ 12:19 |
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You mean to tell me that the 18 year old cashier at KMart isn't going to be able to accurately tell me who the manufacturer of the DVD media that I'm purchasing is? Oh my ... what is this world coming to?
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5. April 2006 @ 10:06 |
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Negritude- Actaully the reason I used to believe that - All sony MIJ media was taiyo yuden was that I emailed Sony & they were the ones that Said that in their reply to me ! However I have since been enlightened to the fact that All Mij Sony DVD media isn't neccessarily Taiyo yuden made! Bye Our Humble , Modest & recently Returned Guru of all Things Taiyo Yuden Kivory 666 - AKA Doc Ty ! Who Has A hookup with TaiyO Yuden Itself Through their rep. So If da man says it's easter Start Dyeing your eggs ! And if I got the General order of things a Little turned around Doc My Apologies ! But just trying to clearr thing up a little !Negritude ! buddy It does'nt much matter about anything Just use good media Be it Taiyo Yuden Verabtims or whatever & most importantly enjoy yourself Happy burning!
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5. April 2006 @ 11:36 |
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Today I went to staples and they had the +1x-16 sony that are made in japan. These Id'd as SonyD21,just like their taiwanese media. For the spacer theory,these japanese SonyD21 had the round/white foam spacer. The taiwanese had the gray/round spacer. They both smell pretty foul,especially right after the burn. Anybody else noticing that foul stench of those sony +1x-16x?
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5. April 2006 @ 13:37 |
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Thanks for the tip on the Sony MIJ at staples. I have found 3 50 packs and I took them all. I also picked up the 100 pack of slim cases for 15.00
You have to buy your supplies when they go on sale. ;-)
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delateur
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5. April 2006 @ 15:08 |
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Ok, ok, so I was spreading misinformation, and I apologize! I thought I had enough knowledge through the forums to say with certainty that Sony MIJ must be Taiyo Yuden, but it appears I was mistaken yet again. :( Sorry for any confusion I might have caused. I'm sure that most Sony MIJ is probably still Taiyo Yuden, but it would probably pay to ensure that using the definitive method docTY had described above. I mean, even if you can return them, who really wants to go through that extra effort? Better to know what you're getting before you leave the store, yes? :)
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5. April 2006 @ 16:36 |
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@bigtoxy69
no worries my friend, we all make small mistakes now and then, even i have made mistakes with taiyo yuden media in the past; nothing to be ashamed of, you were actively trying to contribute and help/educate people about media and that to ME, is what counts here on AD~ :) a simple 'correction' by me is not to be looked at as ridicule, but rather, just a 'correction' of disinformation, nothing more... :) keep up the good work buddy, thanks for the kind words in your earlier post...
@saugmon
is there really this "stench" that comes from the Sony 16x DVD+R MIJ's? it's obvious to all that these are NOT Taiyo Yudens, but i took that "smell" thing as a joke, u are really serious about the foul odor post burning? LOL enlighten me local media king!
@delateur
no need to be sorry, as i mentioned to bigtoxy69, it happens to ALL of us, i've done it before too, it's just a learning process that we all eventually 'fine tune' as time progresses~ :)
i'm sure you've learned quite a bit about media, burning, etc. from AfterDawn thus far, just keep at it...i still learn about other aspects of technology here everyday, not so much media, but about pc components, burners, etc. that i am interested in...
we are all here, for the most part, to help those that need answers to questions they have about media...what to look for locally under what brand to find what you are looking for...it pays off in the long-run to be knowledgeable about media PRIOR to going to the store, but as with all things...this takes time to really become confident in KNoWING exactly what you are getting before taking it home with ya~ :)
cheers all
docTy~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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5. April 2006 @ 16:45 |
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I've got my main pc and backup pc side by side in a small room. After a few burns from both benq burners,I can even smell it in the room, LOL
The smell really hits me when I eject the disc and put it in a slim jewel case. Must be the dye in the disc is getting hot? They do come out fairly warm.
I've burned thousands of dvds and never got that smell before.
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delateur
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5. April 2006 @ 18:26 |
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@saugmon: Yes, I can confirm that the 16x Taiwanese Sonys do smell a bit when you burn them. It is, as you said, the first time I've noticed a smell while burning media, and they do code out as D21s, just like the Japanese, apparently. I am not displeased with how they actually burn in the burner (fast) or the quality of the scans (some PIE spikes, but nothing horrible, and 95% quality rates on every burn, so far, which is perfectly fine by me). Still, the smell is.. interesting. :P
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5. April 2006 @ 19:16 |
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Considering your using a benq drive you sure the disks is what your smelling any not the drive itself. I have found out within past couple weeks that pretty much all benq's have a burnt smell to them, and eventually goes away after a week or 2 of use from a new one.
I have recently in the past week got the OEM benq 1650 from newegg.com. And also got the I/O magic OEM benq 1655 from staples. Both have the burnt smell.
If its not the drive you smell, then im not sure. Storm~
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delateur
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5. April 2006 @ 19:30 |
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I suppose it COULD be the drive, but I burned quite a bit before the Sony 16x's and didn't notice any smell. Either way, it's not overpowering, mainly because I don't tend to burn an awful lot on any given day, so the drive doesn't get too hot. It doesn't smell like burning electronics, at least, which is a good sign. :)
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6. April 2006 @ 08:26 |
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I've been burning lots of discs in a BenW DW1640 and a DW1655. I'm NOT using the 16x Sony discs and I have no burnt smell ... I theink that it's the discs ...
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