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Compression values and successful burns with Shrink
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lon
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27. April 2006 @ 12:00 |
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There's another question further down on a job that
took 3 hours in Shrink to compress and then the Nero
burn cycle hung up and there went the 3 hours.
On closer examination of the original content, the
main movie is 2 hrs 28 minutes. The compression value
was at around 50% to get everything on from an original
that showed 7800MB of info shrunk down to about 3900.
As I mentioned, this took a long time.
But did it produce the errors that the burn routine
hung up with: the Benq 1620 blinked red trying to do
something for 20 minutes before an error message
kicked in that that it couldn't find the disk.
I do not want to waste another 3 hours trying to do this
project.
Can Shrink recognize the newer DVD-9 or DVD -DL automatically
and show a fresh graph of available space?
Or if the DVD-9 is used, it it then a simple copy job?
Other thing I noticed that when Decrypter ran, I did not see
any option to burn in it. I thought I installed the CCR or
whatever that upgrades DVDDcrypter but for some reason I'm
not getting a burn option directly from DVDD. Could that
be because of the large 7800 decrypted file?
Is there a practical limit to compression which will not
produce these frustrating and time wasting errors?
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27. April 2006 @ 16:59 |
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1st we should figure out what caused your burn error:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/335951
Since you used Nero - post the log.
Nero 6 can be found at: program files>ahead>Nero>NeroHistory.txt
Nero 7 can be found at: program files>Nero>Nero 7>Core>NeroHistory.txt
Be sure to edit out your serial #. Logs are separated by soemthing like this ======***NeroAPI History***===
Just and past what's in between this.
That's alot of compression - set shrink to auotmatic and set your target size to 4360. If you not interested in the menus and special features then use reauthor mode for movie only. Depending on the movie this can drastically reduce the compression needed.
Shrink can do DL burning with Nero or Decrypter
Decrypter will burn iso's only. The option is under mode>iso>write.
I don't think your problem has to do with the compression - the problem lies within the burn process.
Post the log so we can help sort this out for you.
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lon
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27. April 2006 @ 20:56 |
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Ok, I'll give it another spin or look up the posted log
but I doubt that I'll know which is which from those.
In opening another program I was informed that my
DMA was off and did I want to turn it on to which
I said I did.
Still it was difficult to find where the DMA shows.
I followed the instructions to get there through system
manager and did not find the appropriate 'advanced'
button to inspect. This is all a big headache. I'm
pretty sure that other programs specify to turn DMA
_off_.
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lon
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28. April 2006 @ 11:01 |
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After the suggestion here, I fiddled with the settings in
DVD Shrink and had success in getting the burn done.
I haven't viewed/tested the completed disk-- which tested
at 93% using Taiyo Yuden media but I wonder if the
'Automatic' Setting takes the burn out to the edge which
certain other posters have warned against?
The settings used for this job which is 2:28 mins.
was: minimize titles and extras and leave main title at
'automatic.'
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28. April 2006 @ 12:42 |
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@lon
Automatic is for the compression setting. If you adjusted the target size to 4360 then you didn't burn to the very edge of the disc.
Since you using Taiyo even if you did you shouldn't have a problem.
I burn to the edge alot with this manufacturer and no problem even much later.
I think part of the reason this time it was succesful was having dma turned back on for tthe drive(s).
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28. April 2006 @ 12:44 |
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took 3 hours in Shrink to compress and then the Nero
burn cycle hung up and there went the 3 hours.
I take it you're taking a DVD-9 original to a DVD-5 blank.
If it successfully ripped to your harddrive using DVD Shrink,all you got to do is locate where those files went:
open up dvd shrink/open files/and locate that movie file that failed during the burn. Then click backup tab and resume your process of backing them up. This will take approx 5-15 mins to rip. I set mine up to rip,and autoburn with Nero.
It's Just like making another copy from that original rip.Example: You backup a dvd that you need more than 1 copy of. Those files are already compressed,and down to the DVD-5 size.You probably used the quality enhancements of DVD Shrink-so no more enhancements will be needed on your next copy that is already on the harddrive.
3+ hrs- Sounds like you used deep analysis and one of the adaptive error compensation enhancements like Max smoothness / Max sharpness in the quality settings tab. Those enhancements,on highly compressed backups improve the playback quality,but definitely slows down the process. Having a lower processor,these times will really increase.
More compression= Longer rip time. More compression along with those quality enhancements like Adaptive error compenstion= A hell of a lot longer backup times. That's why I do main movie only,and cut out all bonus audio tracts/sub pictures/and cut out majority of ending credits. Less compression,then less need for those quality enhancements,so you'll get faster backup process time.
You may have gotten a hold of a bad ty disc. Even ty may have a few defects in a spindle,just like every other brand name of media.
Benq 1620 is a hell of a burner. I have 2 of them.
lon:
What is the firmware version of your 1620?
What is the speed rate and format of those tys?
How fast did your try to burn that ty when it failed?
Dual dvd drives,or single drive-benq 1620 only?
If backing up dual layer media: Use dvd decryper in Mode ISO read and Mode ISO write.
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'Automatic' Setting takes the burn out to the edge which
certain other posters have warned against?
You can set that backup target in DVD Shrink to around 4360 mbs. The max on a disc is approx 4.38 gbs of actual data. To keep from burning the edge,I keep mine at 4.37 gbs. Slightly more compression,but keeps it away from the edge:
Open up dvd shrink
Edit
Preferences
Click dvd-5/scroll till custom/enter 4360/ok
Your target is set until you desire to change it later on.
Benq 1620s are great drives. 1 drawback: When using is as the only dvd drive in your pc and using dvd shrink/nero to autoburn-you may have limited burn speed options. I get 1x/2x/2.4x/and max as my speed options on my single drive pc. These 1620s will overburn majority of 8x media to 12x and even 16x if that burn setting was set on max.
Dual drives,you have more burn speed options for the DVD Shrink in autoburning mode with Nero.
HP a1118x-b/athlon 64-3300+/BenQ 1650 BCDC/LG 8163B/Modded Wii/Epson-R300 and Ty Watershields!!! |
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lon
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28. April 2006 @ 20:38 |
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Thanks for the tip.
I also have noticed that I cannot get the 4x burn speed which
I prefer in Shrink.
There is a check box to use Nero as the burn program.
There is no option for selecting another burn program
such as Alcohol 120% (?) though I've only seen it work in cd
format. I put on the trial version to see how that works.
As an expert user, what would you suggest to set up
alternate burn progs. with more flexibility in Shrink?
CCR or whatever is the burn tool for DVD Decrypter
is not set up right on my machine. Where's the guide on that?
Thanks.
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29. April 2006 @ 20:25 |
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Like saugmon pointed out if using 1 drive to read and write your burn options will be limited to what the source discs supports. Unless you pick DVD Decrypter under select target device in shrink. For this you would open decrypter go to mode>iso>write and pick a burn speed. Then close decrypter and wait for Shrink to open it when ready to burn.
If using one drive to read and another to write - have a blank in the burner and you should be able to pick the supported write speeds of the disc.
Shrink will autoburn w/ 3 programs: Nero, DVD Decrypter & I think it's CopyToDVD - but I'm might be wrong on the last one. No autoburning w/ Alcohol 120.
DVD Decrypter can rip and burn on it's own so I'm not to sure about the CCR part in your post.
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rmcgo
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11. May 2006 @ 07:54 |
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how did the DVD play with the 50% compression?
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lon
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11. May 2006 @ 11:31 |
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I picked up a couple tips which may be in this thread.
First, there is a manual setting you can use to
set Shrink to a limit inside the edge. Once that
is done, you can set to automatic with little
worry that the burn will go out too far.
I set the titling and extras to minimum values
and set the main movie to automatic with that extra
setting and, of course, use low burn speeds rather than
high ones.
I was doing the job for somebody else and didn't
view the whole thing, just checked the load of the disk
but no complaints... wait...
I still have it in the car. The guy didn't retrieve it
yet.
IIRC there as no special tweaking of the image.
I'm used to seeing a lot of time go by when something
is shrunk. What got me po'ed was the hangup at
the burn cycle.
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tigger27
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13. May 2006 @ 17:58 |
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WOW . . . I didn't know you could set the compression settings individually for the menu, main movie and the extras!!! I love this website . . . so much up-to-the-minute information. I'm still learning but begining to get past the newbie stage!! Thanks to all who share their widsom.
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lon
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13. May 2006 @ 19:45 |
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14. May 2006 @ 01:10 |
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You can even set the title menus/unreferenced folders/and extra crap to still images to reduce compression.
lon: Here's something I missed:
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I also have noticed that I cannot get the 4x burn speed which
If you are using the combo of dvd shrink to rip/nero to autoburn/and that Benq 1620 as the only dvd drive:Then you are limited on your burn speed. You'll see 2x/2.4x/and max settings. These benqs will overburn 8x media at 12x and 16x if you leave it set on max. That's the reason why I swapped out my 1620 from my single drive pc for the Benq 1640. The 1640 and higher can use qsuite 2.0 to keep them from overburning media.
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As an expert user, what would you suggest to set up
alternate burn progs. with more flexibility in Shrink?
If you got the tower space,throw in a dvd-rom or another dvd-rw drive to do the reading.That'll give you more burn options.
Or, during the first rip-remember where those files go and after the encoding-abort the burn. Then open up dvd shrink/open files/locate that movie/let it do another very quick analysis/and back it up and you'll have more burn setting options.You'll have to have another folder for the files to go to so if harddrive space is limited-be cautious.
Or try using the combo of nero and autoburn with dvd decrypter.You'll have to untick that box in: Shrink/Edit/Preferences/File-I/O- enable burn with nero.It may give you more options?
Then in the backup options,you'll have to change your target device to be your burner,along with dvd decrypter-instead of nero.
Nero gives me the highest stand alone compatability,so I stick with it.For that benq 1620,dvd shrink will set the booktype to dvd-rom if you are using plus format. That'll help your compatability of your backups on stand alone players in case you ever get a no disc error on any of them. Qsuite 2.0 and dvd decrypter will also set the booktype for that 1620.
lon: Keep an eye on that compression. Any playback issues with that high compression,then you may try re-authoring or DL backups. Stand alone players do some weird stuff when it comes to compression.Make sure the playback is near original in quality.
HP a1118x-b/athlon 64-3300+/BenQ 1650 BCDC/LG 8163B/Modded Wii/Epson-R300 and Ty Watershields!!!
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