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rulisky
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8. May 2006 @ 16:31 |
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Just picked up on your topic. Hope to share some input. Once you set the booktype it will be set and you can leave it on ROM (for plus media). Different software packages work on different burners. Some burners can be bitset and some can not be changed from the factory setting. Get the package that works for your brand. The others guys will know more of the specifics than me. Nero CD\DVD Speed will set my Sony DRU-820a. DVDinfoPro will not. QSuite works for BenQ. KProbe is available for some drives,etc.
Some drives will support Quality Checking of your burned disk and some won't. I just received an email reply from Sony and quality checking is NOT supported on my (new) burner. Bummer.
I have seen lots of discussion on the forums regarding burners. Seems like the BenQ 1650 is a usual favorite. You can bitset using DVD Decryptor or QSuite. It can be Quality Checked using Nero CD\DVD Speed. AND Newegg has been selling them for $35.99 with free shipping.
Almost makes me want to buy another burner just for the good deal.
Most of the utilities are free downloads, too.
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8. May 2006 @ 16:33 |
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Your Plex740 is a great little burner with quality results. I have two true Plextors which are 716A's and these allow for bitsetting automatically through PlexTools. However, DVDInfo will let you bitset any drive that has this feature i.e BenQ, Plextor, LG, Lite-on and it can be done on NEC's but that is using hacked fw. Just choose the drive in the program and then set the settings. After that as long as you do not change the drive for another in the program the settings will remain active, you do not have to open the program they will work. At least that was my experience with this drive.
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jacoblee
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8. May 2006 @ 18:30 |
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arniebear & rulisky....
Stay with me now........ if you would. It just might take me a bit for this to sink in. Let me ask it this way....... I have 3 burners, a TDK440N (internal), a Sony DRX530 UL (external), and the Plex Px-740UF (external). The two externals are usually off. How do I know which of these 3 drives can be used to booktype media? I do have DVD Decryptor but have used it very seldom. It seems to stumble on a lot of read errors? To be honest, I'd have to say that, technically, I don't know how to work with it. What little I did use it, I think I used roxio for compressing and recording the burn. Once I tried AnyDVD & CloneDVD2, it was so simple that I bought it and have stuck with it till now. However, I would like to be able to booktype my burns, so I have to educate myself (with your gracious help) to be able to achieve this. What is the current going rate for the BenQ 1650 burner? Does it do dl?
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8. May 2006 @ 19:00 |
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jacoblee,
Your TDK has a NEC chipset and is not capable of bitsetting. That model sony isn't either. Later model sony's are rebadged lite-on's and benq's and are capable. Use dvdinfo pro to bitset with your plextor. Set it and forget it.
rulisky,
Your sony drive is a rebadged benq and can be made to be compatable with nero disc quality scan if you crossflash it with benq f/w.
I am a fan of benq drives too but stay away from the DW1670. They changed the chipset on it. The 1650 and 1655 still have the phillips/benq chipset and do support DL and 16x burn speeds (almost all drives do anymore).
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jacoblee
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8. May 2006 @ 19:49 |
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@ Mort81...
Thanks again, well - looks like I'd be better off sticking with the Plex and using the dvdinfo pro as you & arniebear suggest. Of the two (dvdinfo pro) suggested, do you know which one I should download?
http://www.dvd-recordable.org/wwwimgs/media/flash/dvdinfopro/index.htm
I would like to know which one so I could give it a try. Do you have experience with this one? If so, maybe you could help guide me getting it set up..... if you don't mind.
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8. May 2006 @ 20:06 |
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What OS and CPU do you have?
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jacoblee
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8. May 2006 @ 20:54 |
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I am using XP and Pentium 4
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8. May 2006 @ 21:07 |
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You need the 1st one under free versions. After it is dl'ed and set up open it up and select your px-740 on the bottom in the dropdown menu. Click on +RW at the top. Put a dot in the dvd-rom circle. Click on set drive default. You can verify that your burned dvd+r's are booktyped dvd-rom with dvd identifier http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/
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jacoblee
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8. May 2006 @ 21:14 |
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Mort81
OK, will dload it and install it. Will see what happens ............
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jacoblee
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8. May 2006 @ 21:37 |
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@ Mort81
OK, I did what you said so far. Can the booktype be read on DVD Decryptor?
This little prog. has a lot of things...... I'm surprised that it won't tell that?
Now when I go to burn, do I have to run this dvdinfo prog. or does it do its thing without even needing to be opened?
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8. May 2006 @ 22:02 |
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Can the booktype be read on DVD Decryptor?
I would use dvd identifier. It's a nice free utility to have anyway to identify who actually makes your media.
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Now when I go to burn, do I have to run this dvdinfo prog. or does it do its thing without even needing to be opened?
No, just burn like you normally would. Verify on the 1st few burns with dvd identifier to assure they are booktyped dvd-rom. Remember bitsetting will only work with +r media. It will have no effect on dvd-r's.
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jacoblee
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8. May 2006 @ 22:15 |
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If you click on "media", this thing reads the book type and the mfgr. on the media. Maybe they have improved it recently? I am going to do my virgin burn with this method. What speed should I try first?
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8. May 2006 @ 22:17 |
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4x
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jacoblee
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8. May 2006 @ 23:14 |
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copy that.......
I just finished the burn..... 4x
Book type dvd-rom........ looks good on the computer, will check the dvd player tomorrow. I have a Toshiba (combo) that I use most of the time. mission accomplished, thanks to you & arniebear (rulisky too). That stack of 100 TDK's I'm finishing up were mfg'd by Ricoh.
I also returned those 2 packs of 50 Memorex to Office Depot today. They wouldn't give me cash back, had to take a card (store credit). I had purchased them back in Jan, so I guess I can live with that.
I'll see something that I can't live without eventually.
My supply of Ty's should be showing up abt. Thurs., so will see how they check out. I am anxious to burn a dl with the book type rom setting, I think this will be a nice feature to enhance the performance of the dl burner. Going to hit the sack, thanks again for now.
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rulisky
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9. May 2006 @ 02:56 |
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Mort 81
Appreciate your comments. You said my Sony DRU-820a is a rebadged BenQ? If it can be made compatible with the quality check function by cross flashing, which version of fw should I use? Can the drive be flashed back to my current Sony ver 1.0b if the cross flash does not work as desired?
Thanks!
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9. May 2006 @ 08:30 |
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rulisky,
I might have spoke up too soon. I know the DRU-810 can be crossflashed but now I'm not 100% sure about the DRU-820. The 810 has a phillips/benq chipset and the 820 has a matsushita like the later benq DW1670 and DQ60 http://www.videohelp.com/dvdwriters.php?DVDnameid=1501&Search=Sea... Your drive doesn't appear to be capable of bitsetting either.
You could probably start a thread here http://club.cdfreaks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=44 for more info. They have forums designated for individual makes and models of dvdrw drives. Hope I didn't raise your spirits for nothing.
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jacoblee
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9. May 2006 @ 19:59 |
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@Mort81.....
As mentioned, the initial test for the book typing was successful! A couple more questions -
Does this book type for rom also stand for audio cd's that are created using my plex? If so, is there any advantage to using it for audio cd's?
How about if I use the plex to (disc) copy a dvd movie (previously ripped & burned +R)? Is there any advantage to doing this, or should it be copied +R? I realize that the quality is "set" on the original rip of the movie & cannot be improved by changing the book type, but wondered if there is anything else to gain by having the player recognize it as a rom disk?
Did you by chance take a look at that ver of dvdinfo pro (free), it does seem to have many capabilities that dvdidentifier is said to be capable of? I need to learn some about what type of tests these guys are putting their burned media thru in order to get an idea of the quality coming out of their media used and burns.
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9. May 2006 @ 20:34 |
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jacoblee,
I can sum up your questions fairly easily by simply saying bitsetting will not work on cd-r's and the only real advantage of bitsetting is increased compatability with more set top dvd players which can be a big factor since compability can be a big issue.
I agree there are a lot of nice features in dvdinfopro but the reason I prefer dvd identifier to ID my media is because it doesn't expire and have to be reloaded like the free vs of dvdinfopro. You may want to purchase the retail vs. I also use Nero disc quality or kprobe to scan my discs if I desire to.
I also use the oem software to automatically booktype my dvd+r's to dvd-rom (lite-on booktype utility and benq qsuite).
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9. May 2006 @ 21:18 |
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I follow most of that ok, negative on the cdr's & the main issue with the bitsetting is the compability improvement with players. '
So, I guess what I am wondering is - say I have a movie on a dl disc.
When I play it in my dvd player there are a couple of hang up spots...
IF I go back and copy this (existing backup), only this time, when I burn a new copy (of the original copy) and set the book type to rom, would this possibly change ANY of the playback features for the better? Could this improve the hang up spots that I mentioned, or are they burned into the backup with the original rip? Then again, I could take the original backup and put it on a different player & it could possibly perform better........... or maybe worse. This seems like a hard one to answer, maybe there is no definite answer cause the characteristics of dvd players do vary. Bottom line, as I see it from my newbie eyes, is that it's best to do your bitsetting at the initial backup burn (like you said that you do), that way you have the best chances at the dvd player being able to do its best with the material to be played.
Whew........ that's a mouthful for a guy that's ASKING a question!
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9. May 2006 @ 22:03 |
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There is a chance that another copy booktyped dvd-rom will play back better as long as it will rip ok. I would also slow the burn to 2.4x. I don't know what software you use to copy your DL discs but for a 1:1 copy I would use DVD Decrypter or imgburn iso read then iso write.
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9. May 2006 @ 22:44 |
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On the ones that I have done so far, I have used AnyDVD and CloneDVD2. Just did a Clone of the disc being copied (original). I'm not real familiar with DVDdecryptor, I have not used it very much. I guess it seems complicated because it has so many "terms" used in it that I am not familiar with? It does look like it allows a lot of flexibility. I have been a little slow in playing with it regarding dl cause the cost of the media has been pretty high. I do wish that I understood all of the terminology used in the prog.
I think that the next time I do rip & burn dl, I will stick to the 2.4x burn speed.
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10. May 2006 @ 04:59 |
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@jacoblee
Here is an interesting thread on dl backup and layer break. I am with Mort and use Decrypter, Imgburn or Blindwrite for dual layer backups.
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=172204&highlight=layer+break
Using Decrypter or ImgBurn is very easy all you do is use iso read in Decrypter to rip, and then it is an iso write with either Decrypter or ImgBurn. Both programs do well at the layer break, which is where you usually have problems. Accordingly if you want an exact image with exact layer break then supposedly use CloneCD, or Blindwrite by VSO also has this capability, both programs have free trials. There is much DVD burning/ripping/encoding sw on the market you just need to find what works for you, unfortunately that only comes with experimentation and coasters :)
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10. May 2006 @ 17:43 |
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should i re back-up all my disc with this code or are they good?
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Ricoh JPN are quality media, no need to redo these :)
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10. May 2006 @ 19:02 |
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@ arniebear.....
The little bit I have used DVDdecryptor I burned with Roxio, mainly because that was the only sw that I had to use that would compress. I don't think CloneDVD2 will recognize the files that decryptor rips? Clone will let you "input" files from the hd, but seems like there are some types that are not recognized by clone in their defaults. I don't remember exactly which ones.
How about this media........ any good?
Media Information
Disc Regions are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Media code/Manufacturer ID RITEK R03
Media Product Revision Number 02h
Format Capacity 3.15GB(3.38GB)
Book Type DVD-ROM
Media Type DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed Unknown
Data area starting sector 30000h
Data area end sector 192D8Fh
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1
Complete Media Code
00000000 08 02 00 00 01 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 1C 2D 8F ..............-.
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 52 49 54 45 4B 00 00 00 52 .......RITEK...R
00000020 30 33 02 38 23 54 37 20 00 5D 6C 00 B2 67 15 15 03.8#T7 .]l..g..
00000030 0B 0B 08 08 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00 ................
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