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gus738
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Originally posted by Oner:
Plain and simple...
Xbox360 has a 1 year lead time for programming and the PS3 right out the box is very close, conclusion....imagine what is in store for the PS3 in the future. THAT kids is what it boils down too, the 360 is probably close to 90% MAXED out already! While the PS3 has LOTS of room to grow.
Think about it, you have a system that is LIMITED to almost 9 gigabytes of information on a Dual Layer DVD when the other system has about 5 1/2 times the amount of data information capable (BD DL)....so developers have to be real careful with the amount of "stuff" they put on an Xbox where the PS3 has room.
When a game like MGS4 comes out it will be a no contest. Funny how people swear comparing a system with a whole year of dev is "better" when they are truly proving the PS3's strong point.
not only i agree that the 360 has had an advantage over ps3 due to its 1yr leap but i as a 360 owener have had expericed with diffrent games and i truely must agree taht this 360 doesnt feel truly next gen console , i have a 1080i tv monster cables and from the simpleset thing to the highest stuff i have it all surge protectors power cleaners etc etc , and not only the 360 doesnt feel truely next gen but its actualy more expensive then the ps3 why? simple with a 400 tag plus 200 more thats 600 right there what are we missing? oh yea 40gb more wireless connections and other features , and yes you have to add the 200 add on why? simply cuz you are trying to compare a soposed next gen console right? blue ray vs hd dvd ? hd dvd hmm dvd its only a upgrade while blue ray is a true leap.... as far as the ps3 not being expensive? take a look for ex ebay it sells 1 - 2 gs AVG ok so that being said $600 dollars for a blue ray player anyone???? oh yeah 400 dollars savings a true next gen console that you can see a true difrense in next gen? 400 more? nope already in the price plus a home pc? linux anyone? already in here so weather you want to do gaming to watch nex gen dvds to doing surfing the net the ps3 has it all . remember im not on either side of ms or sony im just trying to point a view baesd on personal thoughts and i personaly think that this sorth of long post really make sense . i will own both (well i ahe 360) and for the will? i dont hink thats in my list maybe the true revolution will be as this is defo not revolution even the tho codename says it .... we will see over time who will win but i think all if not most will own both units ohh i forgot to mention all those libary of games sold on ps1 and ps2..... hmm everyone remember ps3 sold alot due to having good games? so ps3 has a ps2 / ps1 and theirs alot more facts that i missed....
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15. December 2006 @ 00:54 |
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Sorry if this might sound mean but i didnt understand a word of what you typed out.
Can you please use spellcheck and do proper formatting i lost you after "not only i agree that the 360 has an advantage".
The rest to me is mumble jumble and its hard to understand what you're trying to say.
The only thing i did actually understand is that the 360 isnt next gen because you got monster cables and surge protectors?
Ftw
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15. December 2006 @ 03:40 |
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BigPerm, you remind me of a certain fellow named truthman-.-
Not only have the dev kits been out longerfor the 360, since it is so easy to develop games for the 360, (in comparison to the ps3) the 360 games would look better.
The cell is new technology, never had developers used this tech before, 360 has still a year ahead of ps3..so..
A year is alot, look at the difference between ffX and FFX-2, you would notice the graphics for FFX2 which came out a year after FFX looks noticably better, then look at FFXII, FFXII looks 3x better than FFX....so
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I'm really enjoying both consoles at the moment, Gears Of War on one and Resistence Fall Of Man on the other,lol!!! Console war?? What console war,lol.. I didn't realize that was happening around me, ohh that's right i own both consoles, that explains everything. No seriously though, if i could change one thing about the PS3 it would be the Playstation store, i prefer the Xbox Live markeplace better, maybe it's because i've gotten so used to the interface on the 360. I wish people would appreciate how these consoles have revolutionized the gaming world forever, these last few months have been a gamers Nirvana with all the console debuts and games that have been released, the hell with console wars man, these are great times. Or rather broke times for me, lol!!
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15. December 2006 @ 05:52 |
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Yeah gears of war online is so addictive, after playing for 6 hours straight the other day i walk into the kitchen to grab a snack and my fingers start to twitch, so i duck for cover behind the kitchen sink!
Rainbow six:vegas is another awesome title i havent stopped playing.
Those two games online are pure adrenalin! Highly reccomend to anyone who hasnt played them.
It's been confirmed i've lost my marbles and i'm on the brink of insanity! own3d!
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15. December 2006 @ 06:01 |
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Originally posted by KoOkOo67:
BigPerm, you remind me of a certain fellow named truthman-.-
Not only have the dev kits been out longerfor the 360, since it is so easy to develop games for the 360, (in comparison to the ps3) the 360 games would look better.
The cell is new technology, never had developers used this tech before, 360 has still a year ahead of ps3..so..
A year is alot, look at the difference between ffX and FFX-2, you would notice the graphics for FFX2 which came out a year after FFX looks noticably better, then look at FFXII, FFXII looks 3x better than FFX....so
How does the 360 have a year head start? Why do you think that? because it was released to the public earlier that it has a year up on ps3 in terms of development?
Please provide proof if you're statement is true and correct and i will back down but untill then please don't "speculate" or "assume" because it doesn't look good on you're behalf and makes you look like you made the whole thing up just for the sake of it.
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15. December 2006 @ 06:28 |
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Originally posted by Rokz0r:
Yeah gears of war online is so addictive, after playing for 6 hours straight the other day i walk into the kitchen to grab a snack and my fingers start to twitch, so i duck for cover behind the kitchen sink!
Rainbow six:vegas is another awesome title i havent stopped playing.
Those two games online are pure adrenalin! Highly reccomend to anyone who hasnt played them.
It's been confirmed i've lost my marbles and i'm on the brink of insanity! own3d!
Haha, that's good.!! You know you've been playing for a long time when you start to do the roadie run in public,lol!!! Some guy at Kroger bumped into me yesterday then looked at me funny, so then preceded to Melee his ass by shoving a grapefruit up his ass. Unfortunately, i was all out of grenades and that's all i had.. That's what i've get for playing Gears on insane, look what's happened to me,lol!!
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HAHAHAHAHA grapefruit!!!!! Pwn3d! i love it! damn i got a stitch.
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Beleve what you want, Say i smoke crack if you want (Like a previous poster said). Doesnt bother me, im not a fanboy, and hence it doesnt get under my skin. I will have a PS3, there is no doubt about that. Im an Engineer and a tech junkie, so $600 on a cool peice of hardware is peanuts to me. Notice i have never used the price point as an argument.
But i will not blindly follow specs, and hype like the Sony sheep that seem to run rampant in forums such as these. Even though i will eventually buy a PS3, im not going to just sit here while it has problems, and say nothing. Im also not going to sit here while Sony fanboys claim it will be the second coming.
What i am is a pissed off Ex-Sony fanboy. Ill admit it, before XBMC i never even looked at an Xbox, didnt even consider it. Im glad i did though, and i have also really enjoyed my 360 over the last year.
Anyone who wants one to fail, is (And i dont use this lightly) retarded. Becasue the only thing that makes systems better, is competition.
And right now, the PS3 is a huge disapointment. From launch issues, to the lack of a hardware scaler. Im not being used by Sony to try and win a format war with a lack luster product. Heck, even Blueray encodes(Mpeg2) look worse than the Hd-DVD(Vc-1) counterparts.
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Look Bigperm i can say by your post you dont sound like a fan boy but how can you say the PS3 is a disapointment?Damm the system only been on the market like a month its called first gen.Im a 360 owner also and i can say im disapointed with MS they had a year lead on Sony only made three games the whole year that cracked over a million copies.Not to even talk about the horrible sales in Japan where you cant give a 360 alway.I get tired of this BS about the Blu-ray Sony said like 3 years ago that it was going to play a major part of the makeup of the PS3.People only bitching about it because Blu-ray & HD-DVD is in a format war but if HD-DVD was not even made this would not have been a issue.Since i got my PS3 i haven't turn on my 360 because if im going to pay MS 399.99 for a system then dump out 199.99 on a HD-DVD player that dont even have highend hookups there is no question my PS3 was a better investment than the 360.Right now i would say both system are on par but thats not good for MS,to have a year lead on Sony,then have your system running on par with a first gen console.Sony only going to get better before they get worst.
This is my view point on both console because i own a PS3 & 360
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15. December 2006 @ 10:40 |
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How does the 360 have a year head start? Why do you think that? because it was released to the public earlier that it has a year up on ps3 in terms of development?
Please provide proof if you're statement is true and correct and i will back down but untill then please don't "speculate" or "assume" because it doesn't look good on you're behalf and makes you look like you made the whole thing up just for the sake of it.
First off your "info" is just leaked pics of 1 dev kit, I saw no SPECIFICS so your point is totally invalid. Second of all watch your attitude and the words you choose as they have an attacking/condescending feel to them....I have no problem banning you since you are already on our watch list and I have no problem locking this thread to enforce the rules.
But to show some REAL evidence the earliest info I have read from trustworthy sites are
March 27, 2006 http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/27/seen-gdc-playstation-3-dev-kit/
and what about this one where some dev's (like THQ and Sega) had not received them at the time
May 16, 2006 http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=10296
and for the earliest shipment of FINAL dev kits is
August 21, 2006 http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/21/final...it-has-arrived/
Or how about this one
October 26, 2005 "development tools for the PS3 began shipping this month (Late October 2005)....The article goes on to states that PS3 dev tools have only just started shipping to limited developers this month (Mid October 2005), while 360 tools were shipped last summer (2004)"
From what I see YOU stated speculations as well as assumptions or just made things up.
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15. December 2006 @ 11:13 |
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Ok, DamonDash. You are entitiled to your view. The whole "Look Bigperm" approach doesnt work with me, but thats besides the point.
I cant see how you are not disapointed with it. Just becasue i dont have mine yet (I have better things to do then wait inline) doesnt mean i havent played it yet.
It was hyped as the true next gen experience by Sony, IT was hyped to have 2 TFLops performace, it hyped as the 360 killer, it was hyped as the only true 1080p contenter. And what has it delivered on, Nothing.It was all BS and smoke and mirrors. All we get it wait, wait, wait. WE have lack luster titles, that were multiplatform, not ports. Very pour textures, bad frame rates. 1080p games like Nba are crap. Games with more development time (FNR3), said to blow away the 360 version, turns out worse. Everything that has been said by Sony, has not panned out. Sure we can run linux, with no RSX support. Open your eyes people.
And the japan argument is a moot point, and has no relevance what so ever. MS has even been quote saying "Sony could label some bricks with there brand, and they will sell in japan". And honestly, who didnt think the PS3 would do better in japan. And the numbers are false, check any respectable news site and you will see that the majority of Jap PS3 were quickly exported after launch for resale in other teritories.
And TBH, when people say that there on par, its called a generalization. Nothing i have seen on PS3 touches the 360, even resistance. Its just a twitch shooter FFS.
Im sorry, but adding this at the end of your post
"This is my view point on both console because i own a PS3 & 360"
Screams fanboy.
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There is one thing everyone should also know, it is not Sony's fault if DEVELOPERS are too lazy to provide the best quality game they can make.
Think about it, devs say the 360 is easier to make stuff for so they put some effort into making "Game A" but decide not to go the extra mile AGAIN for "Game A" on the PS3. That is truly where the problem lies, they are the ones that need to take responsibility and not skirt the issue by basically saying "oh it's harder on the PS3 so we won't make as good of a game"
Meanwhile they now have great support from Sony but don't care as it's about the numbers $$$$. That's all well and good as it is a business after all but when people like me who are educated and can see when a game has truly suffered because of what boils down to lazyness and NOT because of Sony's hardware then THAT is when and why I don't support the makers by spending my cash.
How come when a game like MGS or GT (not a pre-release version) is out it gets so much attention from consumers? Because nothing is held back and the time spent on it shows. So all this talk of the 360 is graphically better than the PS3 is and will be for not when games like the ones I mentioned (and others) come out in a few months time. Then we'll see.
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15. December 2006 @ 16:10 |
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Originally posted by DamonDash:
Since i got my PS3 i haven't turn on my 360 because if im going to pay MS 399.99 for a system then dump out 199.99 on a HD-DVD player that dont even have highend hookups there is no question my PS3 was a better investment than the 360.
Huh??
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Originally posted by DamonDash:
Since i got my PS3 i haven't turn on my 360 because if im going to pay MS 399.99 for a system then dump out 199.99 on a HD-DVD player that dont even have highend hookups there is no question my PS3 was a better investment than the 360.
Huh??
think he is saying that with all the money you spend on options for the 360 it would be cheaper than the 60gb model of the ps3 like the optional nex-gen drive which for 360 is the HD-DVD plus you have to buy at $200 live which is $50-$70 and plus for the whole wi-fi thing thats an extra $100 i think plz correct me if i am wrong on that last point i think that answers your question which totals
$500 system premium
$200 HD-DVD drive
$50-$70 for one year live x4-6 for each year
$100 for WI-FI connection thing
EQUALS=$850-$870
Plus maybe $100 to $200 more to reach the ps3 60 gb HDD capacity
which tops $950-970 TO $1050-1070
with all those features put together you almost get everything the ps3 has so would you rather spend 950-970 TO $1050-1070 for the pimped out 360 or $600 or $660cdn for the ps3 straight out of the box slighty just slighty better than the pimped out ps3 so it beggs the question would you pay 950-970 TO $1050-1070 for 360 or $600-$660cdn for the ps3?
just my point of view just continue debating because right now i am typing this post on my ps3 with
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so would you rather spend 950-970 TO $1050-1070 for the pimped out 360 or $600 or $660cdn for the ps3 straight out of the box slighty just slighty better than the pimped out ps3 so it beggs the question would you pay 950-970 TO $1050-1070 for 360 or $600-$660cdn for the ps3?
I would rather have a regular 399 360 without all the extra crap i don't need, like Blu Ray or HD-DVD.
PS. You can get 12 month live cards for 35 bucks. If you want to "pimp out" your PS3 you need a monster cable HDMI. Which is 99. That's 3 years of Xbox Live right there. If I did have a PS3, I would gladly pay to have a service that compared to Xbox Live.
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You want to ban me because of a "feeling" you have that i am "attacking"? Sorry, i dont quite understand that?
Since when do moderators start banning people because of a "feeling" that they have?
Is that a threat? these are open forums. I havent broken any rules,and i dont think i attacked anyone personally in the sense where i went overboard. Also i dont see a rule where there is a "feeling" that im "attacking" involved?
Now the last statement you wrote about the dev kits having a final release is October 2005 - a year ago - that's still more time to work with the ps3 than many of you stated... my original statement stands.
Thanks and if you would like to "ban" me based on your feeling then go ahead i have only stated facts, and i wonder how it's going to look if you ban me to try and prove a point? and no i wont back down these are forums where we all have a voice/opinion. If we didnt then they wouldnt exist...
And also that last line when you wrote in capitols "YOU", i "feel" that you are "attacking me" persoanlly also but im not a moderator and i can have a CIVIL and argumentative conversation on a forum site, but if you like you can use your mod advantage and ban me based on your "feelings"...
Can we say reading comprehension....here I'll explain it clearly and easily.
1) You have been on watch
2) Because of attitude and improper use of words
3) This might be an open forum but you can be shown the door at any time especially in the console forum and this IS a threat
4) It won't look like anything because people like you come and go all the time
5) Your original statement does not stand as that was a quote from an unreliable site which is why I did not link to it and you have YET to provide your own proof...
6) The 360 STILL has more lead time if you read that correctly and didn't "pick and choose"
7) You can have a civil arguement...yeah okay wonder why you have been on watch? Here's a hint PREVIOUS postings and to quote your own words
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Sorry about that i should have respected the rules and followed them more closely.....i tend to bite back at times and break RULE NO.6 sorry for that it wont happen again.
But yet you keep up with the attitude, especially towards a moderator?
Rule#6 No foul language, insults, personal attacks or otherwise rude messages
But more importantly this rule from the boss himself
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/380660
Which is the real reason why I have all rights to ban you...honestly I don't have to explain what I do, least of all to you. Especially someone with less than 20 posts who has contributed absolutely nothing and has nothing to say but argue in a majority of his posts even after he has been warned by another moderator. Beleive me the only reason why I haven't banned you (justifiably) is because I like to see how people dig a hole for themselves, use them as examples and show other forum members what happens when you don't follow the rules...
Sorry guys but I think this thread is going to be locked pretty soon, you could thank your friend here for that.
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IMHO I think that 360 and ps3 are up to par in some games being of devs. Ps3 does I think have better graphics though by the pics or link ( provided by face123) because of the light, too much light to the games means that hiding the effect to textures of the game. Ps3 seems more realistic to me. I am a computer animator and hope to be soon a game designer( which is a tough industry to get in to) , but to stay on topic think that game devs will not put the forth effort to accomplish the potential that the ps3 has and will slack off on certain games. For instance companies like EA(FNR 3, COD 3, NFS carbon, and madden 07 one of the worst games made due to online play and gameplay) Activision, (THP8) and those companies will ofcourse not put the forth effort to making the best system look good but make it easy and great for systems while not wasting more money to make it look better on PS3 because of man hours that they will have to pay in overtime and that being said they would want to raise ps3 games to rocket which ofcorse scares me(but souldn'tmatter cause that what they do for a living) , but I hate EA being that in way back new employees were sueing EA for no overtime pay, which means EA will not put in time for man hrs to make better games on Ps3 rather than just touch ups of 360 games which look like crap because of that cheapness EA and other big componies are. In all that said Ps3 game will be better in long run of devs making it happen and that will be in exclusives, the same way 360's (ex. Gears Of War (epic games)only for 360)will max the true potential of the 360 except will have to limit themselves with 8.5gb of room for games the same way all the other big name companies will not go to the extra mile to make the best games on the greatest system present(in hardware).
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the 360 is probably close to 90% MAXED out already!
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blue ray vs hd dvd ? hd dvd hmm dvd its only a upgrade while blue ray is a true leap....
Dude, what?!
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What don't MS fan boys get the hint about hd dvd vs. Blue ray? It shouldn't matter because 360 games aren't HD-DVD formatted games. It will cost you $200 more just( thats just to ONLY watch movies and aren't even at full hd) to watch movies which most gamers don't care about watching movies on a "game console" right? Thats what most of you MS and wii fanboys have said, right?is it because now you have to pay the pay the pricejust to watch next gen hd movies? The way I look at it MS F'ed up bad by limiting the games and by not being able to watch hd movies on a standard console if it was considered the nex-gen console. Most ppl want to pay only one price for all that you can get, right? Its not about biueray vs. HD-DVD it's about MS f'in and not thinking ahead and playing it safe, as for raising the bar, playing, and watching "beyond" the limits of it being nex-gen, instead rushing everything and have problems that MS will fix everything later. Don't get me wrong 360 is a great system but MS still has a lot to learn about the gaming industry, they should just stick to Pc gaming which could be top dog in that since Mac has no chance with them on that note.
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Closed due to one bad seed who doesn't follow rules or warnings.
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I had to re-open this as this is relevant to the topic as well as confirms every thing I said over 9 months ago...
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source reveals that "about 90 percent of the Xbox 360's system resources have already been tapped"
http://xbox360.qj.net/Developer-360-and-...g/49/aid/102681
Then ponder the rest of this quote from a "HL DEV"
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The PlayStation 3 is a very powerful machine. Currently, the entire game itself is being run on solely the RSX and not even the SPU's! This is also given in light of the fact that the game is definitely intense in it's graphics, but also intense in its physics as well. Now imagine all that running solely on RSX, without the slightest NEED for the SPU's. A truly wondrous machine.
For the 360, we are already using close to 90-95% of its power capability, believe it or not. Crank up the physics on the 360, and all hell breaks loose. At the moment, we've reached 95% recognized power on the 360 and the PS3 is still a complete blank for us, considering only the RSX is being used for everything.
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Originally posted by Oner:
For the 360, we are already using close to 90-95% of its power capability, believe it or not. Crank up the physics on the 360, and all hell breaks loose. At the moment, we've reached 95% recognized power on the 360 and the PS3 is still a complete blank for us, considering only the RSX is being used for everything.
Maybe the 360 doesn't have major cooling issues, they're just asking too much of the system itself. Just a thought.
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Its always been like this...
Sony produces a console and it gets popular after 2-3 years of it being release. PS1 got big when FF7 came out. 1997 I believe. And around the same time so many great games came out too like all the Tombraiders, MGS, Tekken, Crash , etc. Same with the PS2. It got really big after 2 or 3 years.
So Im thinking its going to be the same with the PS3. Im thinking around 2 years.
Which reminds me of why ppl think a certain console is better or worse than others based on the games that are available during its launch....or the first year.
All the arguments stating the 360 is better than the PS3 cuz of the number of great games is lame. What great game came out the first year for 360? And did the PS3 not have Resistance which got a 9.5 rating in most mags right away at launch?
Anywho my point is that the games dont make the console. There are going to be just as many crap games released as good games. Its like this for every console. Just have to give it time.
IMO I think the PS3 has the advantage cuz of Blueray and the amount of memory it can hold. Plus its always good to be able to play HD movies instead of gross looking 480 resolution dvds. Yeah I know most MS fans claim that a console is suppost to be only for gaming....so what. I dont see anyone Sony fans complaining about the 360 playing Dvds or HD DVDs...now that the price is pretty much aroud the same neighborhood.
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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I have a PS3 and an X360 and the PS3 is a lot better.
The xbox costs too much, i'm too far away from my router to use a cable so I had to fork out £60 for a wireless networking adaptor then £40 for Xbox live, then its £10 a shot when you break one of the flimsy headsets and also, if i want to watch a HD Movie then I don't want it to cost £150!
PS3: Built in WiFi
Free network play
Build in Blu-ray player (which is better than HD DVD players anyway)
PSP connects to it
More connectivity
You can change the HDD
You can run Linux on it!
No question! PS3 is better by a long shot, although right now if you want a games console for use as a games console then Xbox 360 has got better games... but when MGS4 comes out PS3 will be pwning the 360's bulky, noisy and big-external-brick asss!!!!!!!
Joe Mainwaring
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