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Suspected PS3 thief shot dead by police
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 4 December, 2006
The launch of the PlayStation 3 (PS3) console in the U.S. had a well-publicized dark side with the media reporting armed robbery and gun shot wounds among other horrible incidents. It's easy for people to get very angry about this senseless violence and to crave justice on those who commit these acts. One such attack was on a student who waited at Wal-Mart for three days to buy two consoles. ... [ read the full article ]
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9. December 2006 @ 01:32 |
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SolShrike, I hear what you are saying but the resale prices of the games speak for themselves; check it out at:
http://search.ebay.com/ps3_W0QQfromZR41
That's quite a profit.
Sony keeps the console in demand by not supplying enough and opens the door for this sort of thing. It is not the same as say, NFL tickets. Everyone knows there are only a certain amount of seats which can drive up resale prices and there is nothing more that can be done about that but; IMHO Sony made an educated decision to supply less than the demand that they created. They could have waited until they had enough, but they didn't. I don't think they are totally blameless.
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9. December 2006 @ 02:53 |
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Moviegram... you are exactly right.... they do this to get maximum profit, I remember microsoft did this with x-box last year.
Creating demand leads to incidents like this. Dosent matter if it is ipod, jewlery or whatever. Crime is crime, like the other fellas said, but when it is encouraged by rampant price gouging, that is wrong.
Sony means to tell us they as a company cannot meet supply for a world-wide market? Hell no, they could if they wanted to. But there is no money in it. Basic law of supply and demand, and the government should step in to stop them. They are the criminals. And no I am not anti-game, I am anti-greed.
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9. December 2006 @ 03:36 |
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I agree that Sony could have waited until they had more consoles before launching. Instead, they chose to rush it out the door to make some dead-line (presumably to beat Nintendo to the punch for the first new cool console of the christmas season...?). Would they have still charged 700 dollars (CDN $$) for the machine if they had enough though? I think so.
Again, hindsight is always 20/20 so its easy to assume. I just hope nobody else gets hurt because of this thing.
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SolShrike
MS was in the same boat but not so much as amount of whole consoles but qaultily there off,the trouble is they see thos mystic Christmas numbers and try and launch it then.
MS launched the 360 completely wrong(march 05) they should have waited till Xmas of 05 to launch it on a more stable footing....I wish nintendo would stop underestimating the stupidity of the Zombie(common) gamer and made the WII a bit more powerful...but then Zombie gamers only care for looks anyway....
of coarse dose any of this hurt sonys rep or the PS3 no..people will just haply eat it up....
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10. December 2006 @ 05:10 |
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Just My 10 Cents here:
Hearing and seeing this, all I can think of is that this a senseless Crime and uncalled for, regardless if it was The Police or the Teenager committing the crime.
Sony Had To Be BIGGER & Better than Xbox 360. Well at least that is what they were trying to do, I don't think they were very worried about the Wii launch, seeing as the Wii has no where the power a 360 has or as the PS3 was Hyped up to have. And now what is Sony doing? (Firmware Updates) they just had to rush it out the door and on top of the CEO (what?s his Name?) being Demoted, I think that may have had a hand in the way it was launched ???
Sony Had to be bigger & Bader OOO Blue Ray & That it was Hyped that it was MUCH more Powerful than the 360.
And it had to be out by Xmas of 06, Yes I do agree with the one post that the MS Xbox 360 launch was pretty much the same, BUT they did it way to early. Why? Maybe just maybe MS had a pretty good idea what might happen if they did a Pre-Xmas launch and did not want this kind of BAD Press and even though I have still yet to get one (360 that is) I did follow the launch and had friends that did camp out to get one, but there was no where this kind of Violence and Killing over a 360.
And MS did make a statement that they would not have enough on launch day, well not very well but they did give some sort of a figure and I maybe wrong here but I don't remember Sony doing that.
Okay back to the topic at hand here:
Just because a picture was posted of them holding guns, does not give the right to go in Guns Blazing, shoot first ask questions last. Ummm how do you ask a Dead man any questions? And with out going into all the sorted details of what I do for a living, I will say this, Every Cop that goes into the Academy For "6 months of training (well here in Jersey anyhow)" IS TRAINED in the use of deadly force (how to when to, how not to when not to and when they should or not).
Now once they are on the job, each officer gets even more training and rides with a senior officer for anywhere from 3 to 6 months, depending on the Department and state. As to the ins and outs of the town the job and so fourth. "Now this is just speculation here" they may have been a little more than on edge here with what they saw in the picture and did not want to get shot / killed so they reacted and with more than deadly force before they even knew what and if any weapons were in the house, Which I?m pretty sure they were trained when in the Academy, how to enter a house that may have weapons in it.
I watched the News Stations Video clip, it looked like they shot through the door before it was even opened ??? Unless the door was open and one of the officers was behind it ??? I am not condoning what the Police did and how, But this Student brought way to much attention on him self and even flaunted what he and his friends did. Which leads me to wonder How did his parents raise him, what kind of Values did they instill upon him, Did they teach him what is really right and wrong here and I mean from the day that he was able to walk and talk at a very young age.
"Crimes like this are senseless and should never happen, as everyone else has said (it is only a game / game console) there is no need to kill each other over it"
I don't mean that the parents now days should hit or spank and God forbid any Beating, but if the child needs a swift whack on the Bum once and a while then yes to teach the child a lesson. But with the child abuse laws today and how you can raise your child and how you punish a child (in the USA that is) is being regulated by the Government / State / local laws. Why do I say this? Because today in this day in age, If a parent smacks his misbehaving child on the bum or grabs his / her arm a little to hard, the child goes to school tells a teacher who then calls the police who then call child services who then go and put the parents on trial sort of speak.
Yes Child abuse is a problem and it does need to be dealt with in a proper manor if and when there is a case of it, but the laws today have made it pretty tuff on parents who do not abuse a child to punish a child that is or has misbehaved. And there are the Parents that just don't take the proper care and or are just not very involved in how the child is raised and expect the school system / nanny / society to raise the child. I see it everyday at work, from teens to collage age adults, they just don't know what it is to give or how to give respect, And they are barely out of high school and they are drive a vehicle worth more than I make in a year, is this how parents teach children the value of life and money and how to respect thy neighbor?
I know this a long posting and I apologize for it but, seeing it, living it, reading it, hearing it. It just makes me really wonder what has this country turned into, what have the people turned into, are we going to start living in a world of "MAD MAX" And maybe just maybe, if society / government / sate & local law makers would just keep their nose out of peoples lives and how the parent raises his / her / their child (unless the child is really being abused that is) would stop telling people how to live their lives, again (unless they are violating laws that is) maybe the children of this world would grow up to be better people and this kind of regrettable violence and killing would not go on as it is.
And I?m sure Sony Is Sitting very Smug over all this and have no real regret about any of this, because of the way they did this launch, and this just plain ole Frelling ticks me off that corporations like this can do this sort of thing. IMHO the ("Government knowing" how the gaming world is growing how much $$$$ it generates and how strong the gaming community is avidly fighting for the rights of gamers). Should regulate how these mega corporations launch this kind of product and with complete full discloser to the public as to what is and is not being launched.
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11. December 2006 @ 03:53 |
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This kid had a ps3...why wasn't he playing it?? then he could have let his roommate anwser the door. sucker.
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11. December 2006 @ 07:01 |
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that would require a game and it did not say if he had it sicne he was one of 4,robbers tend to diviy up stuff so the smaller items got "resold" rather fast a hot PS3 might take awhile to find the correct outlet for its.....sale....
JaiQwan
the 360 launch was as luke warm it had a bit more games but they were as or more buggy and sicne they did poor qauilty control on it some 360s fry themselfs,hell the WII had acouple fist fights in the EU so violence over stuff is not rare its jsut more publizied when tis a game thing at least it is now adays with all the calls to ban video games.
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Can any spin the PS3 launch in any good light? the console has been debuged by web sites its roughly no more powerful than the 360,res:fal of man has graphical glitches akin to Halo 1-2 on the Xbox not as bad mind you but they are there,sure I see them being able to get 30-60% more power from it thru coding tricks but in all they have showen the PS3's weakness,they dont have alot of them its going to take months to get more out...I mean this is as bad as the 360s launch.....
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11. December 2006 @ 11:32 |
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OOOOOoooops.....Peyton was a white kid.........white trash......You people do know that 'white trash' exists right? You also do realize that blacks in America do constitute most of the the crime. A statistical fact.........don't blame me..........I'm just the messenger.
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11. December 2006 @ 11:36 |
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Scratch one up-side-down, backwards country (Finland) that appeared to have respect for the thoughts of its people. Just another soon-to-be communist country controlling all propaganda in and out. Welcome to the N. Korean club Finland. The only thing you're good for is Afterdawn.com. Even your vodka sucks!!
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11. December 2006 @ 11:55 |
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Boy oh boy, I am not about violence but an ass kicking really is necessary for most of the world to learn a lesson..........and Nephilim.........your stifling others would merit a pounding if you were in my area. Too bad you're not in Chicagoland where I can take daily frustrations out on you!
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12. December 2006 @ 07:01 |
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Dude, you're a complete loser on so many levels.
- In the 1939-1940 Russo-Finnish the Finns kicked the crap out of the Communist Russians when Russia figured it would grab Finland for itself. They're as far from communism as we are and they also make some of the finest vodka known to man.
- Only the most insecure losers actually take the time and trouble to sign back up to A) post more drivel in a feeble attempt to nurse their fragile ego, B) make silly high school jock type of threats and C) get banned yet again.
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12. December 2006 @ 23:09 |
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I know everyone involved in this. From the defendants to the robbed party. Alot of wrong info is going around. I will let you know what I have been told. My buddy was robbed bye 3 guys. He was not beaten bye them. Two of the robbers knew him prior. It was planned it seems. They didn't speak and the other guy did the talking.
Second part is the two room mates were sitting at home playing the PS3. One loud knock at the door. No "It's the Police" or anything of the sort. So Peyton gets up to answer it. He only took a step or two and the police broke through the door. His German Shepard charged the door and was shot down. As Peyton goes to put up his hands he is shot twice. The PS3 controller was said to be mistaken for a gun. His room mate still sitting on the couch in shock drops his controller and puts his hands up.
End of story.
But would like to say these kids were not white trash. They were decent guys that just had a bad idea. They didn't steal them for the money. They really wanted a PS3. They had waited in line for 3 days aswell. They didn't end up getting one. Peyton's father is a big time lawyer in Raleigh, NC. Looks like there will be hell to pay in Wilmington. The others look like they will be getting off. Not much proof, besides the actual PS3.
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13. December 2006 @ 05:13 |
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While I feel sorry for the *family* of the guy that got shot while the police were serving a warrant, I don't feel anything for the actual person that got shot. After all, he *was* in a group of four predators that preyed on a poor kid waiting in line to buy a PS3 gaming console. And it's not that I think he got what he deserved, he certainly didn't. But violent people tend think that violence is the answer to any problem(s) that come up in their lives. It's this one-dimensional thinking that resulted in him getting "pwn3d" by the police.
I also don't fault the University Police for requesting assistance in apprehending this guy. After all, he, once again, was in a group that used violence to prey on the weak. Ei: He *was* in a group that beat the crap of the victim. So he is already comfortable with, and geared towards, using violence in his life style to accomplish his goals.
I agree with everyone that the PS3 is only a game or console. Unfortunately, the people that would beat someone up over it see it as $600+ in their pockets. And, they see people waiting in line to buy this thing, as easy victims to prey on.
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13. December 2006 @ 11:42 |
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phobet
the stealing part is a misunderstanding the cops got involved and the guy was shot for having a hyper dog and holding PS3 controller.
the "Cop" was a bad nut shot acouple other people ,they have even dropped the charges on the guy.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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13. December 2006 @ 23:47 |
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I have to disagree.
He was shot because the officer thought his life was in danger. Not because he had a PS3 controller, and not because of his dog.
1) There are/is picture(s) on the Internet, of him, posing with a weapon or weapons. Now his friends say that the picture(s) was/were a prank. But the officer(s) involved cannot assume that:
a) it was all a big joke, or
b) the weapon(s) were fake.
2) The police received information that he has been known to carry a weapon. Again, the possibility of the presence of a weapon changes the tone of the encounter.
3) The crime itself, was a crime of violence. This fact alone would cause anyone at the scene to believe they are dealing with violent people.
So you cannot blame the police, for having a perception of dangerousness, of the individual that was shot. The violence of the crime, coupled with the perceived presence of weapons, tilted the scales of the encounter towards the possibility of a violent event.
And when the final decision came to the shooting officer, where it is "Either him or me", they did the right thing to ensure they were going home that night.
Now, it is very unfortunate that this young man did not survive his encounter with the police. But the odds were stacked against him the moment he and his friends resorted to violence.
Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
phobet
the stealing part is a misunderstanding the cops got involved and the guy was shot for having a hyper dog and holding PS3 controller.
the "Cop" was a bad nut shot acouple other people ,they have even dropped the charges on the guy.
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phobet
and this "cop" has left a trail of dead and injured and a history of shooting frist askign questions later.sorry hes not a soldier and if he has to shot frist every time he needs to find a new job.....
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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13. December 2006 @ 23:57 |
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Have you looked at the specifics of all the shooting incidents he has been involved in? Maybe he works in a violent area. Maybe he targets suspects that are known to be violent. To say that he has left a trail, is to suggest that he is running amok, shooting innocent people. You cannot really say, until you know the specifics of each shooting incident.
Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
phobet
and this "cop" has left a trail of dead and injured and a history of shooting frist askign questions later.sorry hes not a soldier and if he has to shot frist every time he needs to find a new job.....
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DO dose that give him the right to shoot 2 or 4 innocent people just because he had to shot at 40 dureing the eyars?
Mmmmm these numbers don't sound to bad actually *L*
ah well either the cop is a bad nut or he has bad luck,in any case this and the granny shooting a few weeks ago cops need to start getting better at being cops and not soldiers.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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14. December 2006 @ 23:59 |
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The ability to shoot someone is not a right. You do not have the right to shoot someone without a very good reason, period. But you do have the right to defend yourself. The police also have this right. This may involve shooting the aggressor. Or it may involve using some other method or weapon to defend yourself against those that would do you harm.
Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
phobet
DO dose that give him the right to shoot 2 or 4 innocent people just because he had to shot at 40 dureing the eyars?
This would imply that the individual drew his weapon, and randomly shot these people. Again, you need to look at the specifics of each incident. We know why the officer shot those people. He feared for his life. What did the individuals do, or not do, to push the officer to the point of no return. What happened to cause this?
Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
Mmmmm these numbers don't sound to bad actually *L*
ah well either the cop is a bad nut or he has bad luck,in any case this and the granny shooting a few weeks ago cops need to start getting better at being cops and not soldiers.
Unfortunately, when the police interact with the public, they never know who they are dealing with. There are people out there that would do them serious harm, just because they wear the uniform. They can never assume someone is safe. To do so would be foolish, and deadly.
The next time you interact with the police, watch them closely. They will always maintain a defensive posture or attitude. And it isn't because they have anything against you, or wish to do you harm. You are an unknown to them. They just have a desire to return safely home after each shift. So they place themselves in a position to react quickly, and decisively, should you all of a sudden become a threat.
Just imagine how you would be, if at your place of employment, there were people that may do you harm as you go about doing your job. And these people you have to deal with, because it is part of your job. Some of these people my try to hurt you, and some of them may not. You don't know who wants to do what. You would definitely have a different view of the people you deal with.
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I agree with you phobet.
"Just imagine how you would be, if at your place of employment, there were people that may do you harm as you go about doing your job. And these people you have to deal with, because it is part of your job. Some of these people my try to hurt you, and some of them may not. You don't know who wants to do what. You would definitely have a different view of the people you deal with."
Police job is not as easy as many people think, and apart from car accidents most of other things that police deals with has a chance that makes them think "whether I will go home tonight or not".
As to people saying that the police officer has killed before I would suggest that look on the history of each incident, cause if he really had killed an innocent he would have been out of his job long before now.
Regarding the point of the original crime. Well! is it new or is it something strange. It happens everyday. And Sony well ofcourse they are sitting happy it is free advertisement for them as far as they are concerned.
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No I was going for a diffrent effect,if he had bad luck and had to use his weapon alot throwout his career 40 people over the corse of 5-10 years in a bad city sounds reasonable.
shooting a few innocents along the way also sounds reasonable but luck can only be part of it.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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Originally posted by venomX05:
You know...it's times like this that I just wonder and shake my head.
Seriously, you have got to wonder what the hell people are thinking. Like they have some genetic disorder that allows them to act stupid. I guess it is age talking, but if you ask me, nothing in this world is worth a video game system, and I do mean nothing.
It's just a game...that is all these morons need to say, it is just a game.
Too bad for the guy though, I am sure he worked hard to pay for that thing or what have you, but people just can't act right.
Its times like this we should revert to the old ways of punishment and start hanging criminals again that should set an example for the rest of them.
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Its times like this we should revert to the old ways of punishment and start hanging criminals again that should set an example for the rest of them.
i beleive in america they still have the death penalty.correct me if im wrong.killing criminals isnt the answer re educating them is.
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