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fern148
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22. May 2007 @ 08:57 |
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Mike can you read in Spanish? if you could translate this for all of us here on AD...żAsí que cuando flasheemos la XBOX360 con Xtreme Online no podremos hacerlo con la alimentación de la consola?
Correcto. O hacerlo con una consola ya baneada.
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22. May 2007 @ 09:00 |
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Originally posted by Memnock:
Out of my own curiosity have you been using scene releases or ripping your own games?
I've been using both.
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22. May 2007 @ 09:01 |
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no i cant read enough spanish to translate it. i know some spanish but im not fluent in it, but google translator says "
So when flasheemos the XBOX360 with Xtreme Online we will not be able to do it with the feeding of the console? "
where did you get this infor so i can try to get a more accurate translation of it.
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fern148
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22. May 2007 @ 09:08 |
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fern148
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22. May 2007 @ 09:08 |
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sorry for the double post..
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22. May 2007 @ 10:06 |
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Originally posted by fern148:
Mike can you read in Spanish? if you could translate this for all of us here on AD...żAsí que cuando flasheemos la XBOX360 con Xtreme Online no podremos hacerlo con la alimentación de la consola?
Correcto. O hacerlo con una consola ya baneada.
It says: "Then when we flash the XBOX 360 with Xtreme Online we won't be able to do so with the console's alimentation."
Basically, C4E thinks that MS detected those consoles because they have been plugged in when we flashed them. Had we have used the computer's alimentation, MS wouldn't have detected the firmware update. He suggests that we should flash an unbanned console either with an external alimentation source or with an already banned console.
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22. May 2007 @ 10:17 |
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wait what? what are you saying? that we should take the drive out of the xbox we have and flash it with an old modded xbox that has been banned and then put it back in the xbox and it will be safe? they cant detect it?
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fern148
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22. May 2007 @ 10:21 |
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you sure that's what it means?
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22. May 2007 @ 10:28 |
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Here is the english translation of the interview with c4eva this is from xbox scene enjoy
Good night commodore4eva, is a dream to talk to you.
Thank you very much.
The users are asking if the old Xtreme copies will work with iXtreme.
Xtreme Online will not take backups without stealth, only disc with stealth, PFI and DMI will run.
Do you already know which is the real reason of the bans?
The bans is a manual process, logs and logs are watched. It takes time.
Manual? What is what they verify exactly?
Many things. Timming and startings without reader, like when you flasheas the reader with the power supply of the console, and some more.
So when we flash the XBOX360 with Xtreme Online we will not be able to do it with the power source of the console?
Correct. Or to do it with a console already banned.
On the other hand, will Xtreme Online will be completely secure?
YES
Does Xtreme Online will be available for Hitachi readers?
YES
Will also be available for the readers with firmware v79?
All the Hitachi, including the 79, but still would be necessary to flash it via hardware.
What happens with BenQ readers?
The version for BenQ will be available after the others, almost all the work was finished before the bans began.
Will be safe for the users to flash with Xtreme Online if they previously flash with others versions of Xtreme and they have not been banned?
We do not know that, it could happen or it couldnt happen. It could be too late if the user is already in the logs. But when the drive is flashed with Xtreme Online, it would be possible to called Microsoft complaining that the ban was not justified so they dont banned you console and there is no need to buy a new one.
So thanks to Xtreme Online we have a little hope for the ban to be removed?
Aparently yes they reescan the console if you complain to the SAT.
Briefly, how does the Xtreme Online works?
Xtreme Online will emulate the exact speed and timings of the original games, and will protect the users to execute backups without stealth, avoiding its execution.
We must have some precaution with Xtreme Online?
The users must have well-taken care of not to flash the drive using the power supply of the unbann console. They should not play games before they leave the region.
Thank you very much by your time.
Something that to add?
YES look for release this weekend.
If you want things done right then sometimes you have to do it yourself :)
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fern148
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22. May 2007 @ 10:33 |
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thanks for the Translation..
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22. May 2007 @ 10:59 |
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Xbox360 LIVE Bans Info and iXtreme Online FW WIP (Work in Progress)
>> Here are some details about the Xbox360 LIVE bans I got directly and indirectly from GaryOPA, Commodore4eva (C4E), Iriez and others. Of course don't take any of this info as 100% confirmed, noone knows exactly based on what data MS is banning ... it's just an analysis of what they think is happening and what MS might/can be checking.
C4E thinks MS is probably detecting and banning consoles from LIVE by tracking usage of backups via timing of the challenge response (c/r) on the drive over the last few weeks or months. A modified FW will reply much faster to the the Challenges requests (stored in a table) than an original firmware (seek on drive). They probably do this test more than once and can ban you if you're above a certain average.
FuzzyLogic also found that microsoft is sometimes doing additional checks on discs: PFI/DMI (so images without these sectors (or if using an old FWs without support for PFI/DMI) can probably be detected easily), drive inquiry (reads ascii string from drive), and capacity (reports capacity of disc) are requested. Strange thing here is MS requests 0x8000 bytes for PFI and DMI, while it should normally be 0x0800 bytes. TheSpecialist pointed out that the remaining 0x7800 bytes contains the relocated SS and PFI on burned discs ... which would make it very easy to detect backups for MS. C4E however told us this would not work on TS drives as its cut off to 0800 even if more data is asked, it's unconfirmed how modified HLG FWs drives respond to this atm.
The "read capacity check" will also work as detection on HLG because, unlike the newest TS FWs, it doesn't have true 'stealth media' yet, these drives are reporting back the burned disc based size of PFI instead of the correct PFI.
Apparently there's also an issue with SS (Security Sector) extracted from Hitachi-LG and 'Kreon drives', some necessary data is screwed ... which means that probably only the Toshiba-Samsung drive has been extracting correct SS.
Another thing they are probably detecting (but probably not using yet to decide to ban or not) and log/flag is if you ever booted your Xbox360 with DVD SATA cable not connected to your Xbox360 (E64). Many people did this to power their drive when they wanted to flash it (power connected to 360, SATA to PC). So it's highly suggested to use an external power to flash next time.
It's also possible MS also bans based on stuff like bad credit card info for your country, running a NTSC machine with euro-address/credit card (or inverse), having out-of-region (arcade) games and demos on your HDD, unofficial 360 HDD, internet downloaded gamesaves etc. There's no clear view on all this yet.
For now, C4E believes Microsoft is not detecting modified FWs or detecting FW changes/updates. Using a special FW they did not detect any debug commands sent to the drive by MS (they went through the dash/kernel updates with the special FW as well and did not detect any debug commands there either). So they think either:
A/ MS is not doing any FW detection right now, and only previously (maybe on request of MS servers while playing on LIVE?), or
B/ MS is banning based only on the timings of the drive, ss/pfi/dmi checks, capacity, drive inquiry and c/r verification.
We also got information C4E is working on an "iXtreme Online" FW for Toshiba-Samsung drives, a Hitachi-LG version and maybe even BenQ version might follow later.
The new FW will have less features than the current Xtreme FWs: no single-layer (DVD5) support, no ripping of games (0800 mode), but more features to safely play from burned discs (emulate the exact speed and timings of the original games) and prevent booting from un-safe discs (without PFI and DMI or bad SS - so discs not passing the 'Stealth Check' (using Xbox Backup Creator(info) for example) are not going to boot on the new firmware), or images that aren't exact dumps of the original.
There's no official ETA (maybe this weekend though for TS drives), and of course no guarantee MS will never ban you based on new checks (that's the risk it takes if you want to be part of the modding community ) The HLG FW will take a bit longer as it'll require true 'Stealth media' etc added.
This new FW will of course be made mostly for new consoles being modded, because even if you're not banned from LIVE yet there's no way to know if MS already has info/logs on your console ID regarding timings or other stuff so even changing to this new firmware in the near future may not stop that console ID from being banned in the next wave of MS bans.
If your console is not banned yet, it's highly suggested you don't boot any burned discs, originals should be ok, even when offline (MS might be storing results of some checks in flash), until the release of the new FW.
If your console is already banned this will of course not help you ... just enjoy the offline playing on that console for now (with some games you could try using 3rd party networks like XLink Kai(info)) and maybe some day a new exploit will allow you to do more with that console.
To end with ... X-Scene's obvious tip of the month: don't buy 2nd hand Xbox360 consoles
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22. May 2007 @ 11:52 |
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From now on, please just post a damn link to the article. I think it's kinda against the rules to post another forums articles here.
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22. May 2007 @ 12:44 |
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Thanks for the info hoddey. Against forum rules or not personally I appreciate you're just tryin to help out. Not pretending I understand it all but it was very interesting. Anyone with modified firmware is in the same boat by the looks of things, we're all screwed.
For me the worst part is not really knowing what exactly flags the console and results in a ban. I signed up for live only 12 days ago. As of yet I am still not banned. I'm not gloating though as it's kinda like sitting on death row, sooner or later my time will come, I just don't know when that will be. I connect up every couple of nights or so, waiting for the ban.
I never went on live before I had my firmware flashed. My drive was also removed from the 360 when flashed and thus an external power source was used. However I have only ever played back ups via live. So if drive speed etc is indeed one of the indicators used then I am definitely screwed. No point me switching to original games at this late stage. I've never played Crackdown on live and I haven't played Halo 3 beta. I don't have a HD only a memory card so couldn't download any content even if I wanted to.
The above may be of use to some or may be of no use to anyone. I have a Samsung drive with 4.2 firmware.
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fern148
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22. May 2007 @ 13:09 |
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Ps2 we just needed a good translation of the article because it was in spanish.
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22. May 2007 @ 14:04 |
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While I'm sure the translation is probably appreciated by some, it just looks like just a Google translation to me. Who says good night at the beginning of an interview or any conversation in English? While buenos noches does mean good night, it that context it meant good evening.
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22. May 2007 @ 14:06 |
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que menrock?
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22. May 2007 @ 14:06 |
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Originally posted by mikeismad:
wait what? what are you saying? that we should take the drive out of the xbox we have and flash it with an old modded xbox that has been banned and then put it back in the xbox and it will be safe? they cant detect it?
they are logging how much times the 360 boots without dvd drive! supposedly that is there theory. do u get what they mean now? so if you want to flash it use other power source of a banned console so that your new one doesn't log your 360 booting up without dvd drive even once!
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22. May 2007 @ 14:09 |
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i just want to play online please ms let me i wont mod again i promiseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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22. May 2007 @ 14:10 |
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No se catspee
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catsee
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22. May 2007 @ 14:12 |
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catpee on menrock
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catsee
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22. May 2007 @ 14:13 |
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but on a serious note i look online and see my friends having a good time playing it breaks my heart i hope we get this together. its not the end of the world but i enjoy talking to people online like menrock
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22. May 2007 @ 14:22 |
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Simple answer really:
One xbox 360 for backups
One xbox 360 for xbox live originals
Now if only money grew on trees!
Haha
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22. May 2007 @ 14:35 |
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some people here cry about having to buy another xbox 360,
i have had three of them for almost a year,one for my use, one for my son and one for my daughter, it is a bit expensive but makes for some damn great lan partys!!!
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22. May 2007 @ 14:41 |
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good luck giving ur money away to people who ban people and r mean evil people
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22. May 2007 @ 16:30 |
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I don't know why, but i'm still not banned.
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