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Blu-ray players sell almost 13:1 against HD DVD
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article published on 23 January, 2008
According to the NPD Group's latest report, Blu-ray players have taken a massive leap in market share. In december Blu-ray players held 60 percent of the high-definition player market, the week after HD DVD camp Blu-ray finished with a huge lead of 93 percent, making this year's market share approximately 70-30 for Blu-ray.
Even though the study only spans one week, the difference is ... [ read the full article ]
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A_Klingon
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23. January 2008 @ 07:00 |
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!! Better not let hughjars hear about this! It will only make him......[um]...... sad and BLU.
"Oh! Oh! The BLU MEANIES are coming!!!!"
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rainofire
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23. January 2008 @ 07:20 |
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I wonder is this just regular blu-ray players or is it including the ps3? Well anyways this is good news for blu-ray, but it really is not looking good for HD DVD. This must be somewhat dramatic to supporters of HD DVD.
Oh and I never knew Mods act like that. It's kinda cool to see... I think.
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juankerr
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23. January 2008 @ 07:32 |
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Originally posted by rainofire:
I wonder is this just regular blu-ray players or is it including the ps3?
The NPD numbers do not include the PS3 and are for standalones only.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa149.html
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Okay... so the latest hardware sales data from market research firm NPD Group is in, and it reveals that - as one would expect - HD-DVD player sales have also been impacted by the news of Warner's decision to drop the format later this year. One quick note: The data that follows does NOT include sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 or the HD-DVD add-on drive for Microsoft's Xbox 360. These are stand-alone, set-top players only.
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23. January 2008 @ 07:36 |
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Originally posted by rainofire:
I wonder is this just regular blu-ray players or is it including the ps3?
The NPD numbers do not include the PS3 and are for standalones only.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa149.html
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Okay... so the latest hardware sales data from market research firm NPD Group is in, and it reveals that - as one would expect - HD-DVD player sales have also been impacted by the news of Warner's decision to drop the format later this year. One quick note: The data that follows does NOT include sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 or the HD-DVD add-on drive for Microsoft's Xbox 360. These are stand-alone, set-top players only.
Thats strong right there good to see that people are moving past this so called Format War & seeing that we all server the same purpose...We All want movies on HD period.
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23. January 2008 @ 07:50 |
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hughjars
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23. January 2008 @ 07:54 |
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Those charts are selected for those particular weeks for a reason.
If they had shown anything other than that you would not be seeing simplisitic little pie charts that get the Blu-ray fanclub going all gooey.
Wake up to the manipulation.
'Oh look. a pretty coloured graph' duuuuuuuh, well that proves it'
The truth is that if they really had taken a genuine & sustaned lead they'd be showing stats & graphs covering several weeks if not a couple of months - or a whole quarter.
They'd not be realying on articles lifted from 'Bill - the obvious Blu-ray shill - Hunt's' stuff.
6 million Blu-ray movie sales in almost 2 years, in a market that sees overall sales of 750 million+. Not even 1% of the market.
That's the only stat that really matters.
Blu-ray has won nothing.
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23. January 2008 @ 08:35 |
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Even if toshiba makes a press conference and say that they stop HD-DVD production, you will still saying that Blu-lay have won nothing and HD-DVD will won the war.
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juankerr
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23. January 2008 @ 09:24 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
They'd not be realying on articles lifted from 'Bill - the obvious Blu-ray shill - Hunt's' stuff.
The numbers didn't come from Bill Hunt. They came from the NPD Group which has been doing market research and analysis since the 1960's.
If you have numbers from the NPD Group (hardware) and Nielsen Videoscan (software) then you can be sure that you have the most reliable and the most impartial data in the business.
There's no manipulation here like you claim. Just the hard data.
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23. January 2008 @ 09:49 |
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23. January 2008 @ 09:51 |
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No.
What we have here is a classic case of denial.
The game console format has won nothing.
The stats I gave are from the BDA themselves.
Blu-ray have (in almost 2 years) sold 6 million movie discs.
In a movie disc market that saw 750 million+ sales last year alone.
Blu-ray do not have even 1% of the total disc market.
For as long as that situation remains then it is perfectly true to say Blu-ray have won nothing and they certainly have not excaped the game console niche.
......and for as long as that situation remains HD DVD has every chance of winning this.
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23. January 2008 @ 10:10 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
Those charts are selected for those particular weeks for a reason.
If they had shown anything other than that you would not be seeing simplisitic little pie charts that get the Blu-ray fanclub going all gooey.
Wake up to the manipulation.
'Oh look. a pretty coloured graph' duuuuuuuh, well that proves it'
The truth is that if they really had taken a genuine & sustaned lead they'd be showing stats & graphs covering several weeks if not a couple of months - or a whole quarter.
They'd not be realying on articles lifted from 'Bill - the obvious Blu-ray shill - Hunt's' stuff.
6 million Blu-ray movie sales in almost 2 years, in a market that sees overall sales of 750 million+. Not even 1% of the market.
That's the only stat that really matters.
Blu-ray has won nothing.
It just doesn't matter what the statistics say, you're just in denial buddy. Everything you say is so repetitive. Even with stats showing you and pie charts glaring you in the eyes you're still in denial. God help you.
There are many people that are enjoying the benefits of HD but the vast majority aren't because it's too expensive. New TV, new Blu-Ray player, and new movies equals alot of money for people that are probably happy with their existing dvd player and 480p TV. Hell my mother-in-law still buys and rents VHS tapes. DVD couldn't compete with VHS in it's first year or two. Duh.
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23. January 2008 @ 10:13 |
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This sucks, but I guess Blu-ray has won. Don't know why people would waste money on garbage and DRM but then again I dont know why American Idol is one of the most popular Tv shows. Must mean most people are idiots.
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23. January 2008 @ 10:21 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
No.
What we have here is a classic case of denial.
The game console format has won nothing.
The stats I gave are from the BDA themselves.
Blu-ray have (in almost 2 years) sold 6 million movie discs.
In a movie disc market that saw 750 million+ sales last year alone.
Blu-ray do not have even 1% of the total disc market.
For as long as that situation remains then it is perfectly true to say Blu-ray have won nothing and they certainly have not excaped the game console niche.
......and for as long as that situation remains HD DVD has every chance of winning this.
It's ok little buddy, no need to get all worked up...
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23. January 2008 @ 10:27 |
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Originally posted by plutonash:
This sucks, but I guess Blu-ray has won. Don't know why people would waste money on garbage and DRM but then again I dont know why American Idol is one of the most popular Tv shows. Must mean most people are idiots.
lol :) Very true! I'm all for HDDVD but I suppose the war is almost over!
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juankerr
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23. January 2008 @ 10:42 |
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hughjars:
You seem to forget that DVD has had an almost 10-year headstart over HD media and has probably >100 million installed players worldwide. DVD is the most successful media product in history.
How can you expect a high def format that was launched less than 2 years ago to even compare to that. It's just unreasonable to expect BluRay's numbers to even approach that of DVD this early in the game. In the same vein it's also unreasonable to expect HD DVD's numbers to compete with regular DVD at this time.
The important thing for BluRay at this moment is not the overall market but the high-def market.
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23. January 2008 @ 11:09 |
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>100 million? probably more than that in the usa alone. 1,000,000,000 is a more realistic number and probably still far short. Any idea how many people live on this poor planet?? 6,602,224,175 (July 2007 est.) I have more than 1 dvd player.
The real way to test the penetration of either of these disk formats into the home market is to compare the number of players sold to the number of HD and HD-ready(rip off) tv's.
There are probably a million in the UK now.. and if everybody who bought one also went and got a blu-ray player.. and just 1 film.. that would account for around 17% of the TOTAL blu-ray sales..
People are not adopting this new format.. I think they are happy with the quality from dvd, and are waiting to see if broadcasters and cable companies go hi-def before committing themselves to a huge investment in a world heading for a massive recession.
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23. January 2008 @ 11:11 |
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Originally posted by juankerr:
hughjars:
You seem to forget that DVD has had an almost 10-year headstart over HD media and has probably >100 million installed players worldwide. DVD is the most successful media product in history.
How can you expect a high def format that was launched less than 2 years ago to even compare to that. It's just unreasonable to expect BluRay's numbers to even approach that of DVD this early in the game. In the same vein it's also unreasonable to expect HD DVD's numbers to compete with regular DVD at this time.
The important thing for BluRay at this moment is not the overall market but the high-def market.
He has also said that the ps3 was a flop. even though the ps3 sold more consoles in its first year that the 360 did.
and why do you keep calling it a game console format? when there are more blu-ray standalones in consumers hands than hd-dvd? you would praise microsoft if they included the hd-dvd drive in the 360. and you cant say you wouldnt. Microsoft was dumb not to include a hd or even blu drive in their console. they will reach the limits of the dvd here real quick.
so does that make dvd a game console format? if i recall correctly that the ps2 was the dvd player that helped bring it to the masses. and every game console uses it now. dont be upset its ok, you win some you lose some.
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juankerr
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23. January 2008 @ 11:22 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
>100 million? probably more than that in the usa alone. 1,000,000,000 is a more realistic number and probably still far short.
Agreed. This proves my point even more.
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ikari
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23. January 2008 @ 11:40 |
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*Note: I am neutral in this "format war" as well as the "console war"
<OT>Rip on hughjars all you want but at least he stick to his opinion and defends it. There are plenty of people that wouldn't go this far to support their opinion.
The only thing I can say to you hughjars is: just keep presenting facts and don't let all of these negative comments effect what you say. If you let them upset you and/or you insult them back, no facts will save your arguement. Let them look like an idiot, not you.
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Not to insult anyone but if you think that anything is over, you are wrong. You should all know by reading Afterdawn articles that business can change their policies on a dime or whim with little or no reason that we would know of. Who says that movie studios won't switch back over? You don't know. Heck, I don't know either. It can still go either way. The only way we will is when one of the formats say that they will stop producing their disks. Period, end of story.
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23. January 2008 @ 12:03 |
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I bet 99% of those is PS3's. Think about it at Best Buy if you buy a big screen tv they'll give you a Blu-Ray player or a PS3 for free which also comes with 5 or more free Blu-Ray movies.HD-DVD has not had a new movie release in about 3 to 4 weeks that's another reason they're getting stomped.
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juankerr
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23. January 2008 @ 12:05 |
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Originally posted by pomelo:
I bet 99% of those is PS3's.
Nope. The NPD numbers are for standalone players only and do not include the PS3 and the 360 addon. See my 1st post above.
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HD-DVD has not had a new movie release in about 3 to 4 weeks that's another reason they're getting stomped.
HD DVD has had several new releases:
January 15, 2008
The Ten (City Lights)
January 08, 2008
Mobsters (Universal)
The Pianist (Universal)
White Noise (Universal)
White Noise 2 (Universal)
Zodiac: Director's Cut (Paramount)
December 26, 2007
The Heartbreak Kid (DreamWorks)
Pan's Labyrinth (New Line)
December 23, 2007
Cat People (1982) (Universal)
Eastern Promises (Universal)
The Kingdom (2007) (Universal)
Timecop (Universal)
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/releasedates_historical.html
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Originally posted by hughjars:
Those charts are selected for those particular weeks for a reason.
If they had shown anything other than that you would not be seeing simplisitic little pie charts that get the Blu-ray fanclub going all gooey.
Wake up to the manipulation.
'Oh look. a pretty coloured graph' duuuuuuuh, well that proves it'
The truth is that if they really had taken a genuine & sustaned lead they'd be showing stats & graphs covering several weeks if not a couple of months - or a whole quarter.
They'd not be realying on articles lifted from 'Bill - the obvious Blu-ray shill - Hunt's' stuff.
6 million Blu-ray movie sales in almost 2 years, in a market that sees overall sales of 750 million+. Not even 1% of the market.
That's the only stat that really matters.
Blu-ray has won nothing.
blah blah talkin out your ass.at first you supported hd-dvd but whne they win the hd format war you switch back to dvd all of a sudden.you cant lose graciously.bro admit it,even the mods here are sayin BLU.those numbers dont even include ps3 which u seem to say is the only thing that helped blu-ray.brapppppppp watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZTf3mX97c&feature=related
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I'm not investing in either format for movies yet. My upconverter does a great job on my 26" Olevia 1080i television. I'll be getting a 42" 1080p LCD television this year, but I will probably do the same thing - Upconvert. Even if I end up getting a PS3 this year I will not be buying any Blu-Ray movies. Doesn't help either camp when Best Buy offers upconverters as an incentive to buy HDTV's. It's easier and safer to push televisions than it is to back either of these 2 formats.
How many people are really buying 50" or > plasmas in this economic decline? Seems like an excess to have during these hard times - cost of oil and food. Also seems like a cut from the Fed may do little to help the US economy and the whole world is going to feel it.
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Originally posted by ikari:
if you think that anything is over, you are wrong. You should all know by reading Afterdawn articles that business can change their policies on a dime or whim with little or no reason that we would know of.
- Precisely (and thank you ikari).
When the truth is that Blu-ray have sold only 6 million movie discs in almost 2 years in a market that sees annual sales of 750 million+ then all these tales of winning anything are just invention.
It's all just 'drop in the ocean' stuff.
It doesn't matter that it's a slightly larger 'drop in the ocean' than that HD DVD is showing right now,
the central point is that 97% of nothing is still almost nothing.
The rest is just the usual noise to attempt to talk-up and encourage 'momentum'
(which has been a Blu-ray trademark all the way through this).
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23. January 2008 @ 12:21 |
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The title of this article sums up, IMHO, what Hughjars has been, and is still, saying:
Blu-ray players sell almost 13:1 against HD DVD
That's a 13 times lead in favor of BD....
BUT....
Movie sales in BD format are not even TWICE as high as the sales in HD-DVD format.
So yeah, BD is coming out the 'winner' so far in hardware sales but it is not equating out to anywhere near a comparable amount of disc sales.
So some studios have made a decision to support only BD in an attempt to end the 'war'. But WHY? The answer is to make more money by steering the consumer market to one format which also eases those undecided people's minds that the war is over and their soon to be purchased format will not go the way of BetaMax.
BUT if BD hardware sales keep going up AND there is not an equitable amount of increase in movie sales some of these studios MAY rethink their position (and their lost sales by going solo format) and either switch completely or become dual format themselves and cash in on whatever profits they can from both formats.
Is this a sure thing? Nope
Is this a possible thing? Yep
Is the war over? Nope
Does it look like it's over? To Some People
Let me remind everyone here that many historical battles have looked like a win only to find their victory snatched from their hands.
And for the record: I don't own either format
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