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Universal: HD DVD is here to stay
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article published on 23 January, 2008
In an interview with BetaNews, Universal Studios executive vice president and co-president of the HD DVD Promotional Group Ken Graffeo has said that despite rampant rumors the struggling format is here to stay. He did however leave the door open for putting an end to the format war if Blu-ray is willing to make an agreement.
When asked by the interviewer how Universal felt about Warner's ... [ read the full article ]
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24. January 2008 @ 00:00 |
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Its funny..... I dont see how anyone can claim to be the "Winner" or even claim they are ahead. At this point I own players for both formats. As far as Im concerned there isnt much difference. As far as blu-ray being great for storage, I can think of a few portable usb powered hard drives that hold way more than a blu-ray disc and by the time u buy the burner and the media for it I dont see the point. Give it six months and toshiba is supposed to be working on a hd-dvd disc that holds more than a blu-ray disc. I dont know where everyone is looking but if you stop and think about it this "War" is actually good for consumers as it keeps prices competitive and keeps technology moving forward. I also work for a big box retailer as an installer, and from what I see the quality difference is dependent on the tv not the format. When one format finally figures out how to cut load times, thats when I will believe they are making great progress. It seems like by the time the movie loads I dont even remember what Im watching anymore. Oh well just my 2 cents.
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ripxrush
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24. January 2008 @ 00:42 |
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i think hd dvd should have had a major price difference in the media not just players & they could have won! but just like vhs vs betamax the porn industry decides
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24. January 2008 @ 02:04 |
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Well.... the whole thing doesn't bother me at this point. I know that 80% of the "new" movies are going to be BluRay now. That being said, my dollars are best spent there. Paramount and Universal can do whatever they want, I'll just not be buying their movies in a HD format if I want them. It's that simple. One wonders how long this will go on.
Anyone that actually buys in to the "we're not going anywhere" speech probably still has hopes for Betamax. <sarcasm> You never know, betamax could make a come back and just take everything down </sarcasm> That statement right now makes as much sense as some of the HDDVD diehard comments I hear.
I think it would be fun to just collect all the HDDVD comments into one big post. Then in six months I could just repost them all for everyone to look back on and chuckle. I am not bringing any one person out to flame, I'm just wondering what it will take for them to finally concede.
My guess is a lot of these supporters will not admit defeat even when HDDVD throws in the towel. I can see the comments now "They are just pretending to stop selling products, they are actually selling only on Ebay where you can't see the stats and are selling 2000% more than BR" or "I bet this is a marketing ploy to get everyone to buy stuff so they can announce that all the studios are going HDDVD exclusive"
It's 4th quarter guys, BR is winning 85 to 15 and the 2 minute warning just went off. I'd say change your bet if you can because the chances of HDDVD winning at this point are as strong as Green Bay winning the super bowl, and yes, I realize they were already eliminated.
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24. January 2008 @ 02:39 |
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Some good news at last for HD-DVD.
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24. January 2008 @ 08:45 |
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It highly unlikely that all of the new movies by the studios that back Bluray will really be worth buying in any format much less exclusively in Blu ray.
Further the studios cannot support the Blu ray or HD DVD technology on just "new" movies alone. If people are not buying some of the older films that they want to update in HD format then neither Blu ray or HD DVD will survive very long. No one will replace entire collection but the studios are gambling, hoping that consumers will replace some.
There seems to be a misguided belief that Blu ray is somehow a superior technology. They are really not that different in the final analysis. If they were that different then there never would have been discussion between the two camps about merging the formats to begin with. The disagreements between the two camps were not over technology but over royalties and licensing rights.
It would be better for all if the two camps could come back to the table and merge the formats. But that is unlikely as this point as this would leave both sides with Electronic bricks. And for those that think the Blu ray camp wouldn't agree to that, the early Blu ray stand alone adopters are already holding on to electronic bricks and the Blu ray manufacturers are not even bashful about it. They use the excuse that they needed to create momentum.
This debate will go on for awhile longer ...
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24. January 2008 @ 09:38 |
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HD DVD Promotional Group Ken Graffeo says "HD-DVD is here to stay"...
Riiight, a bit like Adolf Hitler saying "Nazism is here to stay!"
Sure it's here to stay for about a few more months before everyone who has a HD-DVD player is going to be feeling a bit like a kid with a Dreamcast.
The only format HERE TO STAY indefinitely is Blu-Ray, HD-DVD is "Just visiting", if you will.
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ken9771
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24. January 2008 @ 11:52 |
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Blu-ray is here to stay because it is the superior technology.
Being a retired electronic tech I look at the differences not as
"movie watchers" like most of you all, but logically from a tech
viewpoint. There is a lot of info on the net explaining the differences between the two formats, if some of you would take the time to research each format the "only conclusion" you could reach is, eventually Blu-ray wins; there is no doubt about that!
HD DVD was developed with a lower storage capacity so as to produce the discs on exising DVD media manufacturing equipment.
Blu-ray takes advantage of a much higher storage capacity but requires new media manufacturing equipment. Eventually the old
equipment used to produce HD DVD's will need replaced and the new equipment will cost more than the equipment producing Blu-ray media.
Fact is, it will eventually cost more to produce the HD DVD media
vrs and ever increasing production quanity of Blu-ray.
Somebody above said "Give it six months and toshiba is supposed to be working on a hd-dvd disc that holds more than a blu-ray disc "
Simple fact based on the physical expression of the formats,
Blu-ray will always have double or more capacity.
For every improvement leading to higher capacities for HD DVD's
when the same newer materials are used for Blu-ray the gap will always
remain the same, that is because of the way they are made,
the basic difference in physical constuction.
Additionally Blu-ray can have more data layers than HD DVD's and therefore even more capacity, therfore an even greater capacity gap.
At present Blu-ray is the only one to use the protective coating
that I provided a link to above but it looks like no one noticed it as no comments were made pertaining to it.
http://www.durabis.com/en/index.htm
Quote from tech page:
"Even after 300 passes by a steel wool pad, a Blu-ray Disc (BD-RE135N) with DURABIS hard coating shows virtually no increase in jitter, attesting to its superior ability to resist scratching.
DURABIS technology: The solution for higher performance discs"
This DURABIS coating could be applied to the HD DVD media also
however the basic physical construction differences
between the two will still remain, Blu-ray always the best.
You people mention copying your movies as to have additional
copy because the media is damaged so easy.
With the coating applied, either format no longer suffers this fate.
I think basically the real reason is so that movies can be
copied instead of purchased, "steal a copy", be honest,, that's it.
Curently either format provides a good amount of storage space for
titles being produced with the current video formats.
We all know that eventually there never is enough storage space
for more and more uses that are thought up.
Blu-ray provides more space for even more "behind the scenes",
"how it was made", etc, etc.
Say what you want, but eventually the market process
will eliminate the inferior format and Blu-ray will
remain until the next big step-up in technology comes along,
whatever that may be.
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24. January 2008 @ 11:56 |
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Hmmm, tell us something we don't know ken, lol.
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24. January 2008 @ 12:06 |
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Originally posted by hade:
Originally posted by hughjars:
you guys ought to be more concerned that Warner just moved their timetable for going Blu to June instead of May.
please don't twist info and spread fud. you n i know the reason why the movies will still be available in June. it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the idea of Warner CONTINUING or reconsidering their SUPPORT for HD-DVD.
there is a 3 week delay for HD-DVD titles released by Warner. in other words movies will simultaneously release on DVD and Blu-ray while HD-DVD owners must wait 3 weeks before the movie becomes available. if a movie releases in the 2nd week of may on Blu then yes its probably that the movie will release in JUNE for HD-DVD.
i would not expect to see a warner movie released on Blu-ray in June to then also release in June on HD-DVD (some 3 weeks later).
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The 2 disc DVD and Blu-ray release will arrive on March 18th. The HD DVD will follow on April 8th.
^^that quote is for I am Legend
the movie Twister got bumped back from a May 6th HD-DVD release date to a May 27th release date. considering that strategic move on Warner's part, i think its clear where their alliance lies.
CES announcement, what was that going to be again?
when you say n what do you mean i hope its not what i think it is?
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24. January 2008 @ 12:08 |
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24. January 2008 @ 12:13 |
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Originally posted by Ludikhris:
I know that 80% of the "new" movies are going to be BluRay now.
- This is precisely the sort of inaccurate nonsense that is characterises what is so dishonest about this 'debate'.
The potential catalogue of Blu-ray is not 80% of (Hollywood) movies.
In fact thanks to HD DVD having the exclusive support of the 2nd & 3rd largest Hollywood studios (and over 60 studios worldwide) the potential HD DVD catalogue is over 40% of all possible Hollywood movies.
Anyone who seriously claims that it's all over in a fledgling market that hasn't even seen the larger element of it reach 1% of the total market yet is deluded.
Blu-ray have sold (in almost 2 years) 6million movie discs, according to the BDA.
Over 750 movie discs were sold last year alone.
Originally posted by spydah:
How about this. Paramounts pushing there movies through Amazon on Blu-ray. Heres the link and tell me this is bogus.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Coming-America-B...01031495&sr=1-1
It's bogus.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/23/ama...ed-erroneously/
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24. January 2008 @ 12:18 |
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Why would amazon place bogus Blu-ray movies on it for sale. You enjoy twisting anything you see on these forums. Face the facts HD-DVD isnt doing anything to help their selves no matter whatever you try throw your spin on.
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24. January 2008 @ 12:38 |
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Originally posted by spydah:
Why would amazon place bogus Blu-ray movies on it for sale.
- I have no idea how this happened spydah but the fact remains that your 'Paramount going Blu' story is wrong, false, not happening.
.....and so is that BS about Blu-ray having 80% of the possible Hollywood catalogue.
No matter how much you wish it were otherwise.
Originally posted by spydah:
You enjoy twisting anything you see on these forums.
- I gave you the link that proves that your 'Amazon show Paramount's going Blu any second now' fantasy is simply wrong.
What's to twist?
Originally posted by spydah:
Face the facts HD-DVD isnt doing anything to help their selves no matter whatever you try throw your spin on.
- I haven't spun a thing.
I have just stated the facts.
You're just another one here trying to talk-up your preferred format.
You're doing it mainly on the basis of Blu-ray's 6 million movie disc sales in almost 2 years in a market that sees annual sales of 750 million + (not even 1% of the market), which is ridiculous.
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24. January 2008 @ 12:49 |
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HD DVD will win. HD better overall and Bluray got nothing.
Universal and Paramount with HD. Warner will change and take Fox and Disney to HD in 1 months. So HDDDVD got more movies and more players.
hujars is right my man!
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24. January 2008 @ 12:50 |
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I just find it really funny that HD DVD is using the attach rate to justify that HD DVD players are doing better compared to Blu ray and the Playstation 3. "Playstation 3 AND Blu ray players." I don't know what kind of retarded logic the HD DVD group is coming up with. The fact is that Blu ray discs is selling more than HD DVDs and attach rate means nothing. Let me simplify for those people who don't understand (HD DVD). The 4:1 ratio. There are 100 HD DVD player and there are 4 discs for each. Then 100000 Blu ray and PS3 players people buy 1 disc each. when you compare the number of discs sold to the number of players available then you get your 4:1 ratio. But in to total, the number of discs for HD DVD sold is 400 while Blu ray discs sold is 100000. which means that Blu ray sold more discs. The point is that the attach rates are a retarded justification because it is just a ratio of the number of discs sold over the number of players available. The fact is that even if you dont want to consider the PS3 as a Set top player, the fact is that people still buy Blu ray movies for the PS3. It doesn't really matter if HD DVD has more (if they really do) Set top players than Blu ray. The fact remains that there are more Blu ray players out there which means that there are more Blu ray discs sold and the attach rates don't really mean anything. Its just an excuse for the HD DVD camp as a delay tactic, trying to still say HD DVD is still a major player in the Hi Def war. And by cutting the price of HD DVD players by up to 50% just shows that they are desperate to get more players out there. The simple fact is that the consumer follows what happens in the market. Warner is going to Blu ray exclusivity and the consumers know that so to them HD DVD is dead. The only people saying that HD DVD is still very much alive in the format war are the people who have the most to loose or have already invested too much into the project to back out now. You can't expect people to buy a product that they know will be obsolete in a few months. The HD DVD group should just cut their loses now because the way i see it is that they would lose more money as they stay in the format wars.
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24. January 2008 @ 13:11 |
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As i have posted before i dont care about the format war as you do. You spin more time trying to trounce every article and user on this site that isnt HD-DVD related. What i posted is what i see on a few different sites one being that Amazon site. This is another site with Paramount Blu-ray movies posted. Which is a forum site i know not a major player in the news but yet another place showing this. Honestly i dont care if Paramount goes Blu or not you do. I seen this and I posted what i seen. But just like before when YOU (hughjars) posted that Warner was signed and delivered on the HD-DVD side and they was not. You focus more and more on trying to convince us that Universal and Paramount are going to make a come back lol. Thats all i got to say. I will continue letting have your never ending battle with your self about this war. Remember thats your battle against your self with your preferred format.
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?studioid=6
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24. January 2008 @ 13:13 |
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flipside1 have said well agree 100%, i'll just add to all MS/HD-DVD funs that by looking at the facts even microsoft have no faith anymore to HD-DVD.
If MS wanted really to back up HD-DVD, would have made massive hd-dvd game releases.
Dont you find it a little bit strange that even tho there are so many external HD-DVD drives for 360, MS havent released any games.
Thats my point of view and about amazone... well if it was bogus it would be fixed by now dont you think?
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24. January 2008 @ 14:13 |
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If HD DVD is so confident in their staying power why dont they release number of discs sold instead of the attach rate which are pretty pointless right now. or maybe instead of separating the ps3 from stand alone blu ray players they should just combine stand alone HD DVD players and Xbox 360 HD DVD players. wait those reasons might go against them right.lol. thats the reason they arent releasing and comparing the important and similar values. They lost those fronts and are trying to win the format wars on pure BS. I shouldn't say pure BS cause that attach rate thing could be true. I'll just say they are trying to win by giving consumers the information that they don't really give a crap about. yay! HD DVD is winning on attach rate!(but so far we only sold 4 HD DVDs for each of our 100 players while Blu ray only sold 1 disc for each of their 100000 players). for those of you who might not get it, its called sarcasm alright, and i definitely don't how much discs and players each camp sold, im just going with their attach rate ratio.
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24. January 2008 @ 14:15 |
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Originally posted by ripxrush:
i think hd dvd should have had a major price difference in the media not just players & they could have won! but just like vhs vs betamax the porn industry decides
YOUR CRAZY
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24. January 2008 @ 14:19 |
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
flipside1 have said well agree 100%, i'll just add to all MS/HD-DVD funs that by looking at the facts even microsoft have no faith anymore to HD-DVD.
If MS wanted really to back up HD-DVD, would have made massive hd-dvd game releases.
Dont you find it a little bit strange that even tho there are so many external HD-DVD drives for 360, MS havent released any games.
Thats my point of view and about amazone... well if it was bogus it would be fixed by now dont you think?
wHAT KIND OF DISC DOES 360 use a regular dvd if so thats some next gen system woooohoooo.
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24. January 2008 @ 14:58 |
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@SDF_GR
MS have stated that the HD DVD drive is exclusively for HD movies and not games. So to see and/or expect games on it is unlikely. Although, I'm certain that 360 owners would receive (and welcome) such with open arms.
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24. January 2008 @ 15:21 |
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Anyone taken a look at the price for these porn movies in HD? I took a look yesterday to see what was the preferred format. I didn't jot down all the numbers but, looked as if they preferred HD DVD. Also, I DEFINITELY don't see the formats taking off with very much success in the porn industry due to the fact that the media cost 50 dollars!
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24. January 2008 @ 15:41 |
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Originally posted by spydah:
I seen this and I posted what i seen.
- Source - http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?studioid=6
LMAO.
Blu-ray.com. Very funny.
Good one, genuine laugh out loud moment there, thanks.
Originally posted by spydah:
But just like before when YOU (hughjars) posted that Warner was signed and delivered on the HD-DVD side and they was not.
- Er no, it's nothing like the same.
I knew (from speaking to several people) that WB were set to go HD DVD at CES 2008.
That's why I was so confident.
That was what they had decided.
Sadly right at the last moment there was a change of decision by their Blu-ray supporting CEO & a few members of their board (probably acting under pressure from their parent company, Time Warner - who are believed to be the reason why WB went dual in the 1st place).
The Ken Graffeo interview backs up my version of events.
It was not a guess (unlike the others who claim to have 'known' WB were going Blu)
That's nothing like the same as a proven error (those movies have not been rereleased on Blu-ray by Paramount - tho they were available before when Paramount was dual format) that is known now to be false.
Nor is it anything like the same as pretending that Blu-ray has (or soon will have when - if - Warner walk) 80% of Hollywood's entire potentially available catalogue.
Originally posted by spydah:
You focus more and more on trying to convince us that Universal and Paramount are going to make a come back
- I don't have to "concentrate" on anything other than what Universal have actually said and done.
Univerals & Paramount have stayed HD DVD exclusive despite a month+ of Blu-ray claims they are going Blu any second.
Originally posted by spydah:
I will continue letting have your never ending battle with your self about this war. Remember thats your battle against your self with your preferred format.
- Oh dear.
Right-o.
You enjoy yourself with your ridiculous amatuer psychology delusions.
Once again a thread that was a positive story about what Universal are doing (ie supporting HD DVD) has been the subject of an attempt to hijack the actual story to talk-up Blu-ray, slam HD DVD and spread the usual Blu-ray lies & BS.
You guys are too obvious.
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24. January 2008 @ 16:44 |
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Originally posted by ken9771:
"Even after 300 passes by a steel wool pad, a Blu-ray Disc (BD-RE135N) with DURABIS hard coating shows virtually no increase in jitter, attesting to its superior ability to resist scratching.
DURABIS technology: The solution for higher performance discs"
If you read the quote it implies that there was jitter to begin with, interesting.
I cannot speak to rubbing a Bluray disk with steel wool, but I did witness one destroyed in about three minutes at the hands of a three year old.
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24. January 2008 @ 16:49 |
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Originally posted by fritz_l:
I cannot speak to rubbing a Bluray disk with steel wool, but I did witness one destroyed in about three minutes at the hands of a three year old.
lol, not to get off topic here but, what movie was it?
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