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Best Buy publicly snuffs HD-DVD
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article published on 12 February, 2008
The largest electronics chain the U.S. has announced that it will begin focusing its recommendations to customers toward Sony's Blu-ray technology, according to an article by Reuters.
"Because we believe that Blu-ray is fast emerging as that single format, we have decided to focus on Blu-ray products," Brian Dunn, Best Buy's president and chief operating officer, said in a statement Monday.
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Sazaziel
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12. February 2008 @ 19:43 |
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Funny cause every BB I have been to here in Arizona has sold out of almost all of its HDDVD players. I think Fry's is a hell of a lot better than BB anyways as it offers better deals on almost everything in the store. Something funny I saw at Fry's the other day was an HDDVD player running on a Sony TV. I laughed and walked away. To bad the normal consumer doesn't know the truth about Blu Ray and why studios are jumping ship but if common knowledge cant tell the average joe that they are about to line these studios pockets while not having the freedom to do whatever you want with a disc that you payed for then well...thats all your fault. Blu Ray can win the format war all day yet it'll be funny when some of you BRD supporters come whining on afterdawn for a way to circumvent the copyright protections of the disc just because you wanna back it up or what ever the hell you want to do with it and cant. When this happens dont come here cryin or blaming Sony blah blah blah...blame yourselves. It's BS like this why people are just giving away their freedoms without knowing it due to lack of knowledge or pure ignorance. Anyone who wants to call me a fanboy after this post can get over it cause I'm definitely not that. I'm just into choice without all the BS and I'm definitely all for the underdog. Go ahead waste money to see these companies become even more wealthier. When they finally have pockets deeper than all of your pants combined you'll be sued quicker than you purchased the BD disc for trying to do whatever you want with it. Funny what Sony can do with your freedom and your own money.
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jagstilv
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12. February 2008 @ 21:46 |
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Originally posted by Sazaziel:
Funny cause every BB I have been to here in Arizona has sold out of almost all of its HDDVD players. I think Fry's is a hell of a lot better than BB anyways as it offers better deals on almost everything in the store. Something funny I saw at Fry's the other day was an HDDVD player running on a Sony TV. I laughed and walked away. To bad the normal consumer doesn't know the truth about Blu Ray and why studios are jumping ship but if common knowledge cant tell the average joe that they are about to line these studios pockets while not having the freedom to do whatever you want with a disc that you payed for then well...thats all your fault. Blu Ray can win the format war all day yet it'll be funny when some of you BRD supporters come whining on afterdawn for a way to circumvent the copyright protections of the disc just because you wanna back it up or what ever the hell you want to do with it and cant. When this happens dont come here cryin or blaming Sony blah blah blah...blame yourselves. It's BS like this why people are just giving away their freedoms without knowing it due to lack of knowledge or pure ignorance. Anyone who wants to call me a fanboy after this post can get over it cause I'm definitely not that. I'm just into choice without all the BS and I'm definitely all for the underdog. Go ahead waste money to see these companies become even more wealthier. When they finally have pockets deeper than all of your pants combined you'll be sued quicker than you purchased the BD disc for trying to do whatever you want with it. Funny what Sony can do with your freedom and your own money.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't HD-DVD have copy protection? I think that it features a version of AACS - does that grant you the freedom that you speak of? Just curious if you know what you're talking about or are you jumping on the anti-BD bandwagon?
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12. February 2008 @ 21:50 |
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Originally posted by Sazaziel:
Funny cause every BB I have been to here in Arizona has sold out of almost all of its HDDVD players. I think Fry's is a hell of a lot better than BB anyways as it offers better deals on almost everything in the store. Something funny I saw at Fry's the other day was an HDDVD player running on a Sony TV. I laughed and walked away. To bad the normal consumer doesn't know the truth about Blu Ray and why studios are jumping ship but if common knowledge cant tell the average joe that they are about to line these studios pockets while not having the freedom to do whatever you want with a disc that you payed for then well...thats all your fault. Blu Ray can win the format war all day yet it'll be funny when some of you BRD supporters come whining on afterdawn for a way to circumvent the copyright protections of the disc just because you wanna back it up or what ever the hell you want to do with it and cant. When this happens dont come here cryin or blaming Sony blah blah blah...blame yourselves. It's BS like this why people are just giving away their freedoms without knowing it due to lack of knowledge or pure ignorance. Anyone who wants to call me a fanboy after this post can get over it cause I'm definitely not that. I'm just into choice without all the BS and I'm definitely all for the underdog. Go ahead waste money to see these companies become even more wealthier. When they finally have pockets deeper than all of your pants combined you'll be sued quicker than you purchased the BD disc for trying to do whatever you want with it. Funny what Sony can do with your freedom and your own money.
Listen fanboy, you know why HD-DVD's have been selling out? Because there selling for about $150 and the average person doesnt know or cares that Blu-Rays winning the war. So if i was an average person and i saw a 150 player over a 300 player i would of course i would choose the 150. But since i know Blu-Rays going to win the war, i wouldnt choose HD-DVD
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Sazaziel
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12. February 2008 @ 23:24 |
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While I wont sit here and argue with ignorance I will state to you fanboys as you are, something that is fact of reason for defection to the Blu ray camp. Yes HD DVD does have copyright protection which is AACS etc. but how many times has AACS been hacked and cracked by tech people like me and others who really and I quote really work hard on cracking protections like these in order to create methods of backing up ones personal collection. HD DVD has copyright protection like any other disc because in order to sell or become insurance for movie producers it has to have copyright protection to prevent piracy and gain a profit. Is that statement simple enough for you fanboys. Now while there currently is reverse engineering going on for the and I quote a need to back up your BD movie collection, the catch to insure movie producers to make a profit from sales is the use of Durabis or Scratch Guard. This not only protects the data as it is written closer to the surface of the disc but it also serves the so called purpose of not needing to back up your BD collection. There was a flaw to this back in 2007 where the Durabis coating actually started to rot and retailers began replacing the BD discs to consumers. Later on the Blu Ray camp began quality control on the product including free replacement discs and we all know that isn't a bad thing at all. Now fanboy wouldn't you defect if you were assured some type of financial security for your works. Anyways as you have heard Microsoft and Toshiba are playing catch up in sales of players and movies in which I do commend them for doing such a hell of a job in so little time. As it is stated that any camp backing HD DVD will run out of catalog titles to release vs. BD backed titles, I'd say that cutting cost and putting all of your cards on the table for consumers at a now reasonable price will somehow pay off. For those of us fortunate enough to own the dual format players at the $700 and $800 dollar price range get the best of both worlds so it I guess it doesn't matter now does it. Now back to what most people of the forums do as we all did with standard dvd decryption back when this site was hot and on fire. We all asked for help in ways to back up dvd discs. Don't deny that it's not true because its all within the forum archives and such with current DVD titles now. When we switch to the BD format and you have a hard time trying to back up your movie...where do you think you will be asking for help at? Until college tech geeks like me and including a whole lot of others around the world find a way to get past the BD+ and BDROM Mark which proves to be extremely difficult as we speak, a lot of you will be SOL. We will all be back to the start of things where we will be backing up standard dvds or downloading movies again. Talk about selling your soul huh! I already concluded that BD won the physical format war and we all know how long thats gonna last. So while guys like you are here flaming everyone else, who cares about the format war. Welcome to the world of home media centers where media is stored on hard drives with the net already connected to it. So lets not forget about those good ole HD downloads that are out there and guess what....those dls are only at about 1 to about 3gbs of space. So whether a lot of people are way ahead of you including studios that back HDDVD with there already touted HD download to own service (Paramount and Microsoft even if just the Live rental dl service)... I guess it kind of takes away from the little consumer wars. So there goes your fairy tale. Anyways one of us will crack it soon. A lot of us help out and save each other behinds on here and really I know I don't mind. Just remember who brought it to your attention. I'm just glad for the fact that I got your attention. Thank You!
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pomelo
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13. February 2008 @ 02:27 |
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Some more bad news for HD-DVD. I should have waited before I purchased a HD-DVD.
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DieMPAA
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13. February 2008 @ 03:42 |
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HD DVD is going away and a new standard is taking a foothold. Whether you accept it or not, by this time next year, "HD DVD" will be a footnote alongside Betamax and Circuit City's DIVX. Blu-ray is just a standard and we should welcome a single standard (for as long as it lasts). Don't worry, the tech and content companies will find ways to milk us for it for now and have another one in the wings. At least we won't be scrambling for one in 2008-2009. If you're squeamish, stick with DvD and upscaling.
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ripxrush
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13. February 2008 @ 04:49 |
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Best buy is not the best buy i will go anywhere else to avoid them! i go 1x a year cause someone keeps getting me a damn gift card for there every xmas! Trey are overprices & they limit your selection to the expensive shit! yeha go try to find a HDMI cable for under $50! most of theres are $100 or more i went & got mine for $15 (p.s. they are the same )
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13. February 2008 @ 07:58 |
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Don't you LOVE how people say they HATE a store, then mention they keep shopping there anyway??? :-) <cough>HYPOCRITE!<cough>
There's nothing odd about manufacturers paying for certain shelf space in retailers' stores...ALL stores do it and they would only be doing a bad thing if they were doing something to keep competitors from doing the same. Like others, Best Buy is doing consumers a favor by promoting Blu-Ray over HD-DVD to stop a prolonged format war...Blu-Ray was widely considered the better technology all along, but it was a lot more pricey to implement, so some companies decided to do what was cheaper and supported HD-DVD instead. Very simple w/ absolutely NO ulterior motives anywhere.
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SProdigy
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13. February 2008 @ 08:24 |
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Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
There's nothing odd about manufacturers paying for certain shelf space in retailers' stores...ALL stores do it and they would only be doing a bad thing if they were doing something to keep competitors from doing the same. Like others, Best Buy is doing consumers a favor by promoting Blu-Ray over HD-DVD to stop a prolonged format war...
What I was trying to say is Best Buy really wasn't promoting Blu-Ray in the first place: Sony was (from the inside.) The visual appearance is that Best Buy was supporting them all along, though it's only "official" now with this announcement.
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hughjars
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13. February 2008 @ 10:27 |
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Originally posted by DieMPAA:
HD DVD is going away and a new standard is taking a foothold.
- Well thankfully there's really no real sign of that, no matter how much the PS3 gang want to convince themselves of it.
HD DVD hardware is still selling very strongly on Amazon around the western world (if you check the USA, UK & German stats) & Play.com shows similar strong sales in the UK too.
.....and that 'fire-sale' BS is complete lie.
Amazon have been seen to go out of stock and then restock
(with the HD A3 more than once).
Blu-ray continues to revolve around the PS3 game console....and lately, as NPD recently said, they have been giving away dead profile 1.0 players as fast as they can )
Neither Universal nor Paramount
(despite months of the Blu-ray fanclub's claims that they are 'out of contract' or have 'escape clauses')
have done anything other than continue to back HD DVD exclusively and recently offer good discounts on HD DVD movies.
But nevertheless the truth is that as a whole high def movie sales have dropped by almost 50% since the start of the year.
There is no genuine sign of Blu-ray taking over anything.
How could it?
Their limited replication facilities practiclly guarantee it can only ever be a nich product
(cos the existing SD DVD productyion isn't going away anywhere) and demand isn't encouraging anyone to provide much more capacity.
In fact in the highly unlikely event of Blu-ray actually winning anything the most likely conclusion would be a small niche market over-charged at will revolving around a game console.
Even at the official launch of their new profile 2.0 player (the DMP BD50) Panasonic refused to give a price.
How weird is that!?
I expect people are in for a shock when they see how much they expect people to pay for those 'premium features'.
But it won't matter.
The general public simply will never pay $200, $300 & $400+ for their 'new DVD player'.
Sub $200 yes some will but the mass-market really isn't interested until we see sub $100
(sadly for the UK prices make a straight £1 = $1 conversion, they don't call us 'treasure island/rip-off Britain' for nothing).
HD DVD has already proved this (as SD DVD did long before it).
If HD DVD does go under then the rest of the market will stick with upscaled SD DVD & as HD TV numbers explode move on to HD TV services with a DVR
( = HD on your HD TV all the time......which sure as hell beats an occasional expensive Blu-ray disc in an overpriced player of God knows what spec & lifespan) & downloading.
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mattkind
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13. February 2008 @ 10:45 |
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The real problem about HD DVD was that microsoft didnt include an HD DVD player internal . I mean if your a gamer you wont buy an addon simply because you dont like movies but if it was internal , there is a chance that you might buy an HD DVD titles. Alltough i like HD DVD better and even owns some titles i dont see how they can make it in 2009. Its nearly impossible. If Warner stayed than it would have been different and lots of people would be happy
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13. February 2008 @ 10:59 |
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@Sazaziel
Slysoft has already claimed to have cracked Blu-Ray and HDDVD months ago. People have been ripping their disks to their hard drives for months now. So what is your point? Why do we need "tech geeks" like you when we can just invest in a program like that? From the way you talk you've single-handedly conqured the universe.
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13. February 2008 @ 11:27 |
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Originally posted by OhCrap:
Slysoft has already claimed to have cracked Blu-Ray and HDDVD months ago.
- Only the AACS HD DVD & Blu-ray movies.
Non-BD+ discs.
There has not been a single one of the (growing number of) BD+ movies
'cracked'.
Originally posted by OhCrap:
People have been ripping their disks to their hard drives for months now.
- That's not the same as ripping & copying a disc
(and I'm sure you know that perfectly well).
You can put the movie on your HDD and watch it from there, you can't copy it and you need the original disc to do that.
Are you trying to misinform people deliberately with these tales or what?
Originally posted by OhCrap:
So what is your point?
- The point is what it always was.
You cannot rip & copy Blu-ray BD+ discs.
Originally posted by OhCrap:
Why do we need "tech geeks" like you when we can just invest in a program like that?
- Er that program you think works a certain way doesn't.
Slysoft have been claiming for months that they think they will be able to crack BD+ but so far have actually produced nothing.
Then there's the whole issue of what happens when they change it and revamp the BD+ (which it is specifically designed for).
There can be no blind confidence that BD+ can be cracked.
(....and yes there are numerous examples of so-called security systems that have remained uncracked.
Sky TV's digital service encryption being a prime example, 7 years and counting despite a 'market' of many millions who'd love to see their stuff for a fraction of their exorbitant charges.....as so many did when it was the old analogue service)
Originally posted by OhCrap:
From the way you talk you've single-handedly conqured the universe.
- I managed to make out his meaning (that BD+ Blu-ray discs cannot be ripped & copied) perfectly well.
What happened to you?
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13. February 2008 @ 12:46 |
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ooo.. PMT there Neph?
I think this whole disk format nonsense has been done to death.. Who cares anyway? This market will remain tiny like audio dvd has, because very few can see any gain for themselves in the current situation. Not enough HD content from broadcasters means minimal sales of HD equipment to the select few..
The audio system has makes a valid comparison.. While a few people went to extremes with high end equipment (an expensive hobby if you like) the rest of the populace were happy with a £50 grinder.
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13. February 2008 @ 13:11 |
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Wow, looks like MSNBC says its over. Wonder why Universal and Paramont does not anounce " and on HD-DVD " on their movie trailers any more?
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SProdigy
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13. February 2008 @ 14:29 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
If HD DVD does go under then the rest of the market will stick with upscaled SD DVD & as HD TV numbers explode move on to HD TV services with a DVR
( = HD on your HD TV all the time......which sure as hell beats an occasional expensive Blu-ray disc in an overpriced player of God knows what spec & lifespan) & downloading.
Precisely Hugh... I enjoyed watching "We Own The Night" upscaled in 1080i last night. Anything else I want to watch, I'll record it on my HD DVR (Punisher and Batman Begins are excellent "reruns" that come to mind this week.)
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13. February 2008 @ 16:04 |
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I'm sure this is pointless to bring up on a site like AD, but seriously, besides Home entertainment systems-o-philes, how many people are clammering to start a brand new collection of Movies.
I really wanted to see HD DVD get strong because I FREAKIN' hate sony shoving overpriced crap down our throats (not always but in general), but it's a shame so many movie studio's made a decisions to solely back Blu ray. I personally think that sony paid for many of those decicsions, but whatever gets the job done, maybe I'll get one next year after we come out of this recession, and after they screw over a few more early semi early adopters.
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13. February 2008 @ 16:19 |
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I dont know about Blue ray vs HD DVD....they are overrated expensive, even now I still only buy DVD. To me it cost wayyy too much money because you have to buy the "special" player and the "TV" that supports the "Hi Def". what is the point if your not so damn rich and really cares about the definition? I find it that the DVD still works well, still GREAT quality. Even now I believe DVD sales are wayyy more than BD or HDD. I find it stupid, unless they sale their so call "hi def" to the same cost as the original DVD, there is no freaking point of buying them unless you are really geeked about hi def quality. I find it pointless right now to even purchase one of these things.
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13. February 2008 @ 16:23 |
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Originally posted by Hyasuma:
I dont know about Blue ray vs HD DVD....they are overrated expensive, even now I still only buy DVD. To me it cost wayyy too much money because you have to buy the "special" player and the "TV" that supports the "Hi Def". what is the point if your not so damn rich and really cares about the definition? I find it that the DVD still works well, still GREAT quality. Even now I believe DVD sales are wayyy more than BD or HDD. I find it stupid, unless they sale their so call "hi def" to the same cost as the original DVD, there is no freaking point of buying them unless you are really geeked about hi def quality. I find it pointless right now to even purchase one of these things.
Base on the fact that I have bought alot of Sony products, and they last me longer than ever I could ask for, their quality of their products are insanely LONG, I actually prefer buying Sony products as long as is not too expensive to purchase.
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13. February 2008 @ 17:10 |
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Toshiba set to release a Blu-Ray player
1080living.com has learned through sources in the distribution and retail business that the buzz is Toshiba already has a Blu-Ray player in the works ready for production for a September 08 release but now this has been pushed up to a July 08 release with recent events in the industry.
This would make sense as Toshiba is a major electronics giant and supporting Blu-Ray will only benefit the company in the long run. Toshiba is currently liquidating HD-DVD players for as little as $90.00 which many analyst consider to be under their cost but as demand dries up Toshiba is trying to cash in on last minute consumers that will be swayed by price alone.
One source cited 2 players are in the works with a price target of $250 and $350.00
Looks like Toshiba ready to lay there cards on the table if this is true.
http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-110548.aspx
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13. February 2008 @ 17:13 |
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Yea, eatsushi pointed that out yesterday. Had to know this was comming. Does this mean they will drop support for any of the HD DVD models?
Update: Toshiba has just released FW 2.0 for the following models:
A3, D3, A30, and A35
The FW update has added 1080p/24 video capabilities to the A30 and A35. Ahh, that stupid playback error seems to have been fixed with this update as well. Anyone with a HD DVD player knows that I'm talking about.
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Originally posted by Hyasuma:
I dont know about Blue ray vs HD DVD....they are overrated expensive, even now I still only buy DVD. To me it cost wayyy too much money because you have to buy the "special" player and the "TV" that supports the "Hi Def". what is the point if your not so damn rich and really cares about the definition? I find it that the DVD still works well, still GREAT quality. Even now I believe DVD sales are wayyy more than BD or HDD. I find it stupid, unless they sale their so call "hi def" to the same cost as the original DVD, there is no freaking point of buying them unless you are really geeked about hi def quality. I find it pointless right now to even purchase one of these things.
My feelings exactly. I bought an Oppo upconverter and my DVDs look better than ever. I'm in no rush to get either format. Especially until HD movie prices match regular DVD prices, which won't be for a long time!!!
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14. February 2008 @ 10:35 |
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Originally posted by NexGen76:
Toshiba set to release a Blu-Ray player
- Pure speculation & rumour
Anyone can do that.
Sony set to abandon Blu-ray
http://digg.com/gaming_news/PS3_without_...itch_the_format
I read it on the internet/in a newspaper so it must be true, eh?
LMAO.
Originally posted by goodswipe:
The FW update has added 1080p/24 video capabilities to the A30 and A35.
- That's weird, my HD A/EP 35 has always had excellent 1080p/24 playback
(I bought it in Nov 2007).
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14. February 2008 @ 11:09 |
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1080p/24 has been enabled since the 1.3 firmware for the A30 and A35.
However, avs members are reporting problems with "jaggies" with the new 2.0 firmware when outputting 1080p/24. Some are even reverting back to the 1.3 firmware because of this problem.
My XA2 also had this problem with 24fps "jaggies" on the 2.8 firmware so I reverted back to version 2.7.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=992822&page=4
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