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BACKUPS on LIVE and getting BANNED
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GodMan114
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3. May 2008 @ 00:13 |
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Originally posted by Decodem:
Alot of people I know who live here in Nova Scotia Canada haven't been banned since the start of the flashing. I here alot more cases of americans being banned rather then canadians. I wonder if its because there is more microsoft offices in the USA?
really? i didn't know that.
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6. May 2008 @ 05:49 |
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I'll think of it this way;
You took a chance flashing your drive.
You took a chance voiding your warranty.
You're probably going to take a chance playing backups.
Myself, have never played a backup on Live but I do stay logged into Live while I play my games. No problems yet but it's only been a week or so, lol.
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6. May 2008 @ 09:27 |
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If you're logged on to LIVE but not playing on LIVE, it's the same as playing on LIVE. Disc info gets transfered to MS. As long as that cable is plugged into the back of your 360, info can be read.
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6. May 2008 @ 10:54 |
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yup, might as well enjoy your online time while you have it.
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kondor
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19. June 2008 @ 22:52 |
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Excellent guide.
No mention of Xlink though or xbconnect (which I know little about) which maybe would help a few folks out.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 19. June 2008 @ 23:05
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tripplite
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20. June 2008 @ 12:01 |
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LOL!! i got an error connecting to live on my friends box that i just modded!!!! i thought it got banned after just one game:( i was freakin out!!
lol im so glade it was just his modem that got tied up...dam that was scary!!! i need a drink...
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20. June 2008 @ 21:04 |
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I just think there is something really wrong in " I won´t play on live, cause I fear getting banned and not being able to play on live...". Ain´t youre just applying the sanction yourself without committing the crime?
There´s a few people that have two consoles, one for playing on live, unmodified, and other for playing backups... I guess thats perfect solution, but while youre backup xbox is not banned... why buy the second one?
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wwejunkie
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20. June 2008 @ 22:17 |
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i got a modded 360 and before i got it modded i bought microsoft points. so now i never go on live just incase i get banned but my question is
my cousin has a non modded 360 and if i take my hard drive out, put it in his, connect to live with and download arcade games with my points will that work? will it still send the log of the backup games ive played?
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pwncakes
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21. June 2008 @ 12:58 |
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interesting. i've had a modded 360 for 2 years playing backups on live and have not been banned once.
i do agree that there is always a risk of getting banned. since ixtreme 1.4 came out the chance might as well be 0%.
if the rip is good and properly patched and the firmware is fully up to date, play on live! i've been doing it for 2 years.
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tripplite
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21. June 2008 @ 13:03 |
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yeah...1.4 is tight....and nobody really knows what the % are per area/isp.......
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jewdaddy
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21. June 2008 @ 18:53 |
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Originally posted by pwncakes:
interesting. i've had a modded 360 for 2 years playing backups on live and have not been banned once.
i do agree that there is always a risk of getting banned. since ixtreme 1.4 came out the chance might as well be 0%.
if the rip is good and properly patched and the firmware is fully up to date, play on live! i've been doing it for 2 years.
Wow, 2 years is a long time. When I get someone to flash a drive for me I'll make sure to tell them about 1.4 in case they don't already know.
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21. June 2008 @ 22:46 |
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jewdaddy, PM sent your way.
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21. June 2008 @ 23:27 |
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there is no sense in "hiding" from M$ if you dont play on live, cause you can still play your games even after you get banned. might as well enjoy the ability while you have it.
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23. June 2008 @ 08:47 |
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Originally posted by pwncakes:
interesting. i've had a modded 360 for 2 years playing backups on live and have not been banned once.
i do agree that there is always a risk of getting banned. since ixtreme 1.4 came out the chance might as well be 0%.
if the rip is good and properly patched and the firmware is fully up to date, play on live! i've been doing it for 2 years.
There's a ton of us who haven't been banned yet. But what does the past have to do with the present/future? Why do you feel MS isn't working on new detection methods? I mean, you must believe that... seeing how you're telling someone else it's safe... right?
This is one of the reasons for this thread. There's always someone giving others advice... saying "it's safe to play your backups on LIVE, I haven't been banned". That's the dumbest advice anyone could give. If you're going to tell anyone something like that, at least tell them that there are still risks.
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23. June 2008 @ 19:30 |
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krstofer
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8. July 2008 @ 14:28 |
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So, if I play a game on a modded xbox, then disconnect it, hide it in the closet, and say my rosary, will I still get banned? lol
I just read through this thread and couldn't believe how many people continue to ask if they will get banned.
Good information. Good thread. I've had my xbox360 for about two months and I am thinking about modding it now. I've modded two wii's and three ps2's so hearing about this banning stuff is kinda scary.
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olivergin
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9. July 2008 @ 02:12 |
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i have a better way, don't play online and get some friends to come to your house .
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Hizaed
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9. July 2008 @ 13:36 |
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Honestly, I dont think Microsoft cares that much. Due to the nature of consoles and the protection already in place which causes uncontollable ban fear in your average consumer. The amount of people willing to mod their console is relatively few, most people buy their games. I doubt they will spend much time and money developing new ways to stop a pretty small problem.
They will spend most of their time and money developing new, epic protection for the next generation of Xbox.
In my opinion their greatest weapon is fear of the unknown. As long as we are in the dark about how the protection works than a large amount of people will be unwilling to try anything.
Unfortunately, because of the great protection on consoles I think PC gaming will eventually become a thinkg of the past, at least in mainstream, which makes me sad.
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halo2342
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11. July 2008 @ 01:43 |
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ok, so let's say that I have no connection to Xbox Live whatsoever when I am playing a backup, but then I take out the backup, pop in an original, then plug in my network cable and connect to live.
In this scenario, is it possible to get caught, or is it only when you are presently playing a backup on Live.
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read the previous posts.
ARG!!! It's so annoying to only guess how they figure this crap out.
I mean, "information stored on the board"?!?!
WTF!!
This actually makes me wanna rip my xbox apart!!!
ok, rant/spazz over :)
damn, I just want a clear answer.
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Sapidus3
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27. July 2008 @ 03:31 |
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This is pretty good, though I still have some questions.
So games that have been poorly patched can fool check programs like XDVDMulleter, but may be detectable by Live?
Will a bad rip from a Samsung drive, for example, be detectable with such a program? How well, and to what degree, can we check isos?
How good are newer firmwares at discriminating against non-stealth media? For example, I know ixtreame 1.4 isn't suppose to load non-stealth games. Does it reliably do this? Also will poorly patched games fool ixtreame's check?
Basically I am wondering if I can know if my copy is any *good*, or if its just pasable.
I am aware that this next question will probably generate alot of non-answers.
How many people are actually being banned since ixtreame 1.4 came out? There are different answers to this everywhere. I know that this is because there is not a real statistic out there. Are the majority of people using modded firmware on live being banned?
Also, is MS performing most of their bans in banwaves, or just incrementally as they detect people.
So I get that it is only a mater of time until a modded box on live gets caught. The question is, how much time? Based on how people talk it also seems like it is only a mater of time until a 360 gets a RRoD, and having modded it, the warranty is shot. If "the average time until being banned" is longer than say a year, it may be worth it to just play. (I am aware that such an average does not exist as there are so many different cases).
I guesses I am just getting at the following. I took a gamble opening the box up and killing the warranty, I took a gamble modding the firmware. Both gambles I took because I figured the odds were in my favor and I'm technically proficient. Depending on how things look, I'm willing to play the odds with live.
Also while I am asking questions, should there be a banwave expected with the upcoming fall dashboard update?
PS. I know it will be easy to just reply, you are taking a chance. I KNOW that. I'm not asking if I can somehow magically make myself undetectable. I know I can't beat the dealer. I'm just trying to judge the table so that I know how long my money might last me. And with that, I realize that I don't really like playing cards and am going to stop using the metaphors.
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27. July 2008 @ 09:13 |
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yea u use muteller to check iso's
1.4 wont load a corrupt backup
i dunno how many ppl have been banned but the are plenty
normally banwaves
and yes i expect a banwave with the new dash update.
just my 2 cents.
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Sapidus3
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27. July 2008 @ 15:35 |
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So Muteller and ixtreame 1.4 can pick up on if an iso has been patched with a pfi that doesn't match? The reason I ask for clarification is that based on bhetrick's original post.
Originally posted by bhetrick:
The problem with that is there are many different versions of what you may be missing. Again, we'll say you're missing the pfi. So you go on the web, download it and insert it in your iso. You then use one of your ripping programs to verify if the iso is now stealth. Your program will say it is stealth, but the fact is MS may be able to determine that the pfi doesn't match up with the other security info.
Made me think that there was no way we could know for sure the quality of our backups.
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Sapidus3
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27. July 2008 @ 15:59 |
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And I suppose for completeness's sake another question.
What aspects does the media affect. Will crappy disks make it easier to detect on live, or are they just harder to get to burn properly? For example, if I got a bunch of blank disks for free, but they are from a bad manufacturer, should I just give them a try?
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Hybrid_ZX
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8. October 2008 @ 18:59 |
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Anyone try using LightScribe to burn the original's security info onto the inner area of the disc?
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9. October 2008 @ 22:57 |
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Originally posted by Hybrid_ZX:
Anyone try using LightScribe to burn the original's security info onto the inner area of the disc?
I don't know what that would solve?! It's not like M$ can read that on the disc!
Anyways, I've played games before they were released, and I've had the system modded for 2+ years. But with the new update coming out November 19, I bet there will be a Ban Hammer coming!
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