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14. April 2009 @ 22:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by chris4160:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by jd254:
As of today, April 6, 2008, there is no way to play a backup on LIVE without the possibility of getting banned,
Correct. There is no way to play with the possibility of being detected.


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but if you have the original, you can play on your modded xbox 360, with no chance of getting banned. The only time you should play a backup is when you aren't on LIVE.
Well, we can't say "no chance". When you use an original, the modded firmware works just like the original. It is believed by C4E, Opa, and some others (these guys developed the modded firmware, so they'd know best) that MS is not able to read the drive firmware due to how the hardware was developed.

And that seems pretty feasible. If they could detect the firmware, everyone would be banned. But then again, no one knows what MS is working on now towards future detection.

So as it stands, if you have only one console and it has modded firmware, your safest way to play on LIVE is to use your originals.
"Correct. There is no way to play with the possibility of being detected."
...Wtf is he talking about... first he said that you will probably get banned... now he says that "... There is no way to play with the possiblity of being detected...", hypocrit at all?

Another thing, where did you find the information in the first picture... to me this looks a lot like the old xbox logo... out of date at all? Also, you have no way of verifying these alligations; you don't back up your own games, you don't work for MS, you don't have a clue!

The owner of a highly regarded modding store in Australia said that none of his customers have reported being banned from xbox live after having modded their xbox 360. And he (or anybody else for that matter) has no idea why some people get banned an some people don't.

So before you start saying stuff (especially on a forum with such high traffic) maybe you should get your facts straight.
Ha, I love it when I take a break from the site, come back, and of course still see people like this guy... wow.

Please, listen to bhetrick, as he does know what he is talking about.

that is all

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14. April 2009 @ 23:57 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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this question is for people who have experience with playing backups online and who have been banned at least once and who know other people who have been banned. From your experience and what you have heard of other's experiences, what would be the expected time of lasting on xbox live using backups that have been ripped to near perfection? Is there a less chance of getting banned when using an older xbox or is there nothing that would indicate this? Thanks.
i could only say it would be more like a game of chance, for taking advantage of it lady luck may just run out on you.
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15. April 2009 @ 12:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by htorihpeS:
This question is for people who have experience with playing backups online and who have been banned at least once and who know other people who have been banned. From your experience and what you have heard of other's experiences, what would be the expected time of lasting on xbox live using backups that have been ripped to near perfection? Is there a less chance of getting banned when using an older xbox or is there nothing that would indicate this? Thanks.

no one is 100% sure on how the automated banning process works. outside of the fact that your system generates "flags" for events it finds suspicious or out of the normal. right now the consensus is that its the burned games that get you banned not the firmware. even if your game is properly stealthed, and all of the crcs check out there is always a chance and who knows what m$ will think of next to catch modders. the best advice we can give to help prolong your stay on xbl is run ever iso threw abgx. and DO NOT download games because they could be ripped improperly. or have intentional bad files (some people believe certain isos are released in a attempt to catch modded systems)

other than that read this thread. this has been discussed already a lot. hope that helps
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6. June 2009 @ 19:31 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Though if games are downloaded and then verified with abgx, they should be as good as ripping them yourself right?
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6. June 2009 @ 20:00 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
There is never a guarantee, but should be. Just don't play them before they are released and make sure they always verify.
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6. June 2009 @ 22:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Does abgx just test whether a game is a good rip or does it fix it as well if it verifies that the game is not a good rip? Is there anyway to test the credibility of a download just by downloading one of the files?
Does firmware 1.6 work with poorly ripped games? I'm not concerned with been banned from xbox live.
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12. June 2009 @ 13:58 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by htorihpeS:
Does abgx just test whether a game is a good rip or does it fix it as well if it verifies that the game is not a good rip? Is there anyway to test the credibility of a download just by downloading one of the files?
Does firmware 1.6 work with poorly ripped games? I'm not concerned with been banned from xbox live.
yes abgx does check the game game if it is good rip and it is capable of fixing it, unless the acutal game data crc is currupt (wich agbx will also tell you).
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13. July 2009 @ 19:56 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I have a quick question; in the OP it says:

You want a guarantee... there is one and ONLY one. Get a second console, leave it unmodded, and use it to play your originals online.

This is exactly what I plan on doing. I have a modded Arcade (with on board memory) console and a normal, un-modded Pro console. However, can I use the hard drive from the Pro on both 360's, so that I have my profile, savegames etc etc?

Or will there be modded info saved on the harddrive from when I use it with the modded 360 so that MS can see that and ban the unmodded 360 when I'm using that while playing online?
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13. July 2009 @ 20:29 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
*face to the mutha f'n palm*

did you read the thread or search for it at all?

it's still not 100% safe but it's commonly accepted that it is safe to swap HD's from modded consoles and regular consoles and not get banned. still... the only 100% way is to keep your un-modded completely seperate from your modded.

C.R.3.A.M.
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13. July 2009 @ 21:26 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
thanks for the reply.

And I did search for it, but couldn't find it quickly so I thought I'd ask.

I'm still kinda new to all this, so sorry if I came across as a know-nothing noob :)
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22. July 2009 @ 16:49 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thanks to all for the various replies... very helpful!

One more question; risking to sound like an idiot.... does it make a difference if you had an xbox live account waaaay prior than flashing the drive???

again. many thanks
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22. July 2009 @ 17:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
No it doesn't your live account is separate from the hardware.

MS bans hardware so they look for modified hardware.

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22. July 2009 @ 21:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
thanks dxr88.....
so... I might as well live it up while it lasts...???? Correct?
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22. July 2009 @ 22:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by jgadea:
thanks dxr88.....
so... I might as well live it up while it lasts...???? Correct?
Just make sure you gather the correct info on the games you backup such as the wave # and always check with abgx even then mistakes do happen

like ABGX iv gotten the okay to burn. only to wind up with a BAD CRC when its on the disk.

patience and caution are a step in not getting banned. my box is 1st gen ands its been modded for a little over a year and i haven't even got the hammer yet.

just double check everything. you've got all the time do do that, and all it takes is one little mistake ands its all over.

(some wares groups like to do freaky stuff to the game before you get it so be wary if you do get your backups from any wares group)

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23. July 2009 @ 15:38 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by jgadea:
thanks dxr88.....
so... I might as well live it up while it lasts...???? Correct?
Just make sure you gather the correct info on the games you backup such as the wave # and always check with abgx even then mistakes do happen

like ABGX iv gotten the okay to burn. only to wind up with a BAD CRC when its on the disk.

patience and caution are a step in not getting banned. my box is 1st gen ands its been modded for a little over a year and i haven't even got the hammer yet.

just double check everything. you've got all the time do do that, and all it takes is one little mistake ands its all over.

(some wares groups like to do freaky stuff to the game before you get it so be wary if you do get your backups from any wares group)

I have owned a few 1st gen 360s. All of them have been plagued with the 3RLOD. I have a ton of hardware experience and I cannot tell you how many methods I've tried to fix them. They ALWAYS end up dead again. :(

I've done the heat gun, the oven, the x-plate, the 12v mod, the cutting out of the rear grill, the added piece of card to the the GPU heatsink for proper air movement, and last but not least the Team Hybrid's Ultimate X-clamp Fix!! All have eventually failed. I always oven or heat gun before finishing up my cooling mod so the 360 usually works for a random moment before dying again (sometimes a few hours, sometimes a few days, sometimes a few weeks) :(

Have you had to repair yours ever? If so, what method did you use?
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23. July 2009 @ 22:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by GodMan114:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by jgadea:
thanks dxr88.....
so... I might as well live it up while it lasts...???? Correct?
Just make sure you gather the correct info on the games you backup such as the wave # and always check with abgx even then mistakes do happen

like ABGX iv gotten the okay to burn. only to wind up with a BAD CRC when its on the disk.

patience and caution are a step in not getting banned. my box is 1st gen ands its been modded for a little over a year and i haven't even got the hammer yet.

just double check everything. you've got all the time do do that, and all it takes is one little mistake ands its all over.

(some wares groups like to do freaky stuff to the game before you get it so be wary if you do get your backups from any wares group)

I have owned a few 1st gen 360s. All of them have been plagued with the 3RLOD. I have a ton of hardware experience and I cannot tell you how many methods I've tried to fix them. They ALWAYS end up dead again. :(

I've done the heat gun, the oven, the x-plate, the 12v mod, the cutting out of the rear grill, the added piece of card to the the GPU heatsink for proper air movement, and last but not least the Team Hybrid's Ultimate X-clamp Fix!! All have eventually failed. I always oven or heat gun before finishing up my cooling mod so the 360 usually works for a random moment before dying again (sometimes a few hours, sometimes a few days, sometimes a few weeks) :(

Have you had to repair yours ever? If so, what method did you use?
Repair more like tinkering.

i added some talismoon fans, replaced factory heat pad with arctic silver. added an intake fan right above the heatsinks. this was about three months after i got it works great had trouble with the drive magnets.

they say once the 360's fail every fix you do is temporary. thats because the solder pops off and the only way to fix that is resoldering. i don't fancy soldering needle hole sized things anyway



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24. July 2009 @ 05:11 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
all i know is i have a modded console,played online EVERY DAY for 9 months and i'm still not banned....must be lucky... i get stuff online from reputable sites and do not play games before they come out officially in the shop..


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24. July 2009 @ 17:08 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
good for u shik1!!!!
good to know..

like others have said... might as well live it up while it lasts!!!!
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24. July 2009 @ 22:00 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by jgadea:
good for u shik1!!!!
good to know..

like others have said... might as well live it up while it lasts!!!!
Or better yet don't give them a reason to look your way, and they wont.
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28. August 2009 @ 21:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'm thinking of getting an XBox. After reading through this thread my conclusion is if you intend to get on Live then stay away from modded consoles and backups. Who knows? You might be unlucky and get banned within the first month. And then you'll have to fork out for another console just so you can get online. Not very cost-effective. Of course one could get lucky and "survive" a few years. But then you'll be apprehensive each time you log on to XBL, not knowing when you will be banned.

So I'll stick to a "genuine" Xbox for the time being. When I'm sick and tired of Live I can always mod my console then. Besides, Xbox games seem to be much cheaper than PS2 games. And making backups of PS2 games is so much easier and straightforward. So it may not be worth modding an Xbox as opposed to a PS2.

Just my 2 cents.
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28. August 2009 @ 21:26 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
you couldn't save this for a blog or something? i mean seriously it's 7 pages long.

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28. August 2009 @ 21:33 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by homesick:
you couldn't save this for a blog or something? i mean seriously it's 7 pages long.
Blog? what is that some kind of Star Trek Race.
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28. August 2009 @ 21:56 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'm sorry but that was my first post here. Can you tell me what all the fuss is about? I may be violating some etiquette here and not know it.
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Originally posted by neoquon:
I'm sorry but that was my first post here. Can you tell me what all the fuss is about? I may be violating some etiquette here and not know it.
yeah you did, you used a big complicated word for my tiny brain which now hurts.

you can say rules, you know. etiquette is just mind boggling looking at it.

I'm now short two Tylenol.
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Originally posted by DXR88:


yeah you did, you used a big complicated word for my tiny brain which now hurts.

you can say rules, you know. etiquette is just mind boggling looking at it.

I'm now short two Tylenol.
Well....I don't think I was breaking any "rules". Okay. I'm too stupid to know what all this is about.
 
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