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Sony wants 50 percent market share for Blu-ray products this year
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article published on 7 April, 2008
President of Sony Corporation and CEO of Sony's Global Electronics Business, Ryoji Chubachi, has spoken of the corporation's plan to increase the market share of its Blu-ray Disc products dramatically. In the present, the DVD format accounts for about 80 percent of global demand for movie discs, according to Chubachi.
The Sony boss said that the company will offer Blu-ray devices in a ... [ read the full article ]
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9. April 2008 @ 19:12 |
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My guess is that most of the people that complain about Blu-ray and DRM etc. are those that can't afford a high end system and think that they should be able to obtain endless amounts of movies absolutely free to play on their good old reliable CRT.
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9. April 2008 @ 20:39 |
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
My guess is that most of the people that complain about Blu-ray and DRM etc. are those that can't afford a high end system and think that they should be able to obtain endless amounts of movies absolutely free to play on their good old reliable CRT.
Walk down any busy city street. I'd bet 9 out of 10 of those you ask won't even know what DRM means or would even care.
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9. April 2008 @ 22:42 |
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DRM means Digital Rights Managment. and just like trojens the come in many different Types. Some Very Anti-Consumer and Some just sit there and do Nothing. there are even some that install software after it opens a back door to your computer, how very trojen like.
(@A_Klingon) Jesus Man that rant made my head hurt. you and Bigtoxy69 should get together and rant all day to see who is better. my money is on Bigtoxy.
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9. April 2008 @ 22:45 |
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
My guess is that most of the people that complain about Blu-ray and DRM etc. are those that can't afford a high end system and think that they should be able to obtain endless amounts of movies absolutely free to play on their good old reliable CRT.
You got that right CRT FTW, Bah what am i saying.
DLP FTW
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9. April 2008 @ 22:58 |
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This is a little off topic, but relax fan boys, drm-ray won. You can breathe easy, your investment in drm-ray is safe for at least a couple more years, maybe longer if they pull their heads out of their butts and drop prices. You get yourselves all worked up into a lather if anyone says anything negative about sony, or drm-ray. Then we have to listen to your Sony sales pitch, and the point of the article isn't even discussed. Again, long deep breath in, long deep breath out. Its not good for your health to get your blood up like that.
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9. April 2008 @ 23:18 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
(@A_Klingon) Jesus Man that rant made my head hurt. you and Bigtoxy69 should get together and rant all day to see who is better. my money is on Bigtoxy.
Ahhhhhhh, but MY money is sooooooo much better'n his.....
Mine is very...... (ah..).......BLOOOOOOOOO-ISH in colour!!
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9. April 2008 @ 23:19 |
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Originally posted by A_Klingon:
Originally posted by DXR88:
(@A_Klingon) Jesus Man that rant made my head hurt. you and Bigtoxy69 should get together and rant all day to see who is better. my money is on Bigtoxy.
Ahhhhhhh, but MY money is sooooooo much better'n his.....
Mine is very...... (ah..).......BLOOOOOOOOO-ISH in colour!!
ill right, jesus i get the picture you like blue, well i like apples.
and thats that.
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10. April 2008 @ 00:37 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
50%.. don't make me laugh. They don't actually have 2% in reality.
The article is referring to Sony's share of the Blu-ray hardware market (ie: Blu-ray players), not Blu-ray's share of the home movie market. This means out of all the Blu-ray players sold and made their way into people's homes, at this point in time 20% of them are Sony branded.
Originally posted by llongtheD:
This is a little off topic, but relax fan boys, drm-ray won. You can breathe easy, your investment in drm-ray is safe for at least a couple more years, maybe longer if they pull their heads out of their butts and drop prices. You get yourselves all worked up into a lather if anyone says anything negative about sony, or drm-ray. Then we have to listen to your Sony sales pitch, and the point of the article isn't even discussed. Again, long deep breath in, long deep breath out. Its not good for your health to get your blood up like that.
Actually, it's the other way around. Almost every single news item remotely related to Blu-ray is bombarded with negative posts from those that just love to complain about anything to do with Sony and/or Blu-ray. The first post on this thread was conducive to a positive conversation relating to the flow of the news article, followed by 7 posts that were against what the news article was trying to relay.
Those of us that would much prefer to have positive conversations relating to the aforementioned articles can't even do so, as we are continually defending the product that we would like to see make steps towards advancement and the mainstream market.
Of course we would like to celebrate the good news so often associated with the articles posted here. It's what we have invested in, so don't we have all the right to do so? Unfortunately there are some individuals here that wont even let us be to do that. Jealousy perhaps?
Now back to topic, of course 50% is ambitous. However, anyone that has been involved in sales/marketing will know that targets are almost always set higher than may be achievable. Any successful company is surrounded by a culture of stretching their people beyond perceived capabilities...
"If the sky is the limit and you fall short, at least you will be among the stars".
If they aim for 50% and acheive 35%, do you think that is still a worthy acheivement? I do! Any step forward is a step in the right direction for any company. You never know, with the right attitude and an aggressive markting campaign, they just might achieve 50% or more. I have been involved in sales/marketing for about 10 years now. I have successfully managed a team to achieve targets that are very ambitious. All it takes is a unified vision and a never quit attitude. Something tells me that Sony just might have these attributes.
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10. April 2008 @ 00:44 |
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Amen brother Ryu77,
I challenge anyone to say the last paragraph of his post isn't an advertisement for Sony!
I rest my case.
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10. April 2008 @ 00:59 |
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llongtheD, one thing that I overlooked to mention is that you can not do what I was referring to without a quality product! No matter how good your marketing team is, if your product stinks it will not sell. So, yes I am endorsing Blu-ray. I am a proud Blu-ray owner and I completely believe that it is a quality product.
What is the problem? If you don't like something, why participate in any conversation regarding this product? I just don't get it. I can not for the life of me understand the mentality of people that like to put things down or make negative comments that serve no positive purpose at all. You would never find me making such posts. I have said a number of times that if HD-DVD won the format war, I would not hesitate in purchasing a HD-DVD player. It's about what level of entertainment it brings into my home, not who manufactures it!
You claim that my last paragraph is a sales pitch and you also state that Sony fan boys are taking this thread off topic with similar sales pitches. You do need to consider that this article is all about sales targets! So tell me, how do we discuss this news article in a positive way without discussing Sony's sales ambitions?
By the way, you referenced my last paragraph... What about the rest of my post?!
I rest my case!
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10. April 2008 @ 01:11 |
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Thank you for your retort.
I never said drm-ray was a flawed product, I was just making light of the Fan boy fervor.
You however, sound like a marketing guru, so I'll say it again for the cheap seats.
DRM-RAY is not consumer friendly right now. Especially the price!
Thats all.
You may continue with your sales pitch.
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10. April 2008 @ 01:25 |
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llongtheD, I edited my previous post. I feel that I have expressed my feelings well enough now.
So yes, let's get back to topic and continue with the sales pitch! :-P
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10. April 2008 @ 01:38 |
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I do not wish to join your sales team as of yet.
I am wintering in cuba.
call me when the weather turns.
best regards,
llongtheD
LOL
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10. April 2008 @ 01:49 |
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^ LOL!!!
Just send me your resume when you're ready. By the way our offices are heated... Am I enticing you? :-D
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10. April 2008 @ 15:34 |
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
Actually, it's the other way around. Almost every single news item remotely related to Blu-ray is bombarded with negative posts from those that just love to complain about anything to do with Sony and/or Blu-ray. The first post on this thread was conducive to a positive conversation relating to the flow of the news article, followed by 7 posts that were against what the news article was trying to relay.
Those of us that would much prefer to have positive conversations relating to the aforementioned articles can't even do so, as we are continually defending the product that we would like to see make steps towards advancement and the mainstream market.
Of course we would like to celebrate the good news so often associated with the articles posted here. It's what we have invested in, so don't we have all the right to do so? Unfortunately there are some individuals here that wont even let us be to do that. Jealousy perhaps?
I wish that more people would actually respect & understand this excellent viewpoint.
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10. April 2008 @ 15:39 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by Ryu77:
Actually, it's the other way around. Almost every single news item remotely related to Blu-ray is bombarded with negative posts from those that just love to complain about anything to do with Sony and/or Blu-ray. The first post on this thread was conducive to a positive conversation relating to the flow of the news article, followed by 7 posts that were against what the news article was trying to relay.
Those of us that would much prefer to have positive conversations relating to the aforementioned articles can't even do so, as we are continually defending the product that we would like to see make steps towards advancement and the mainstream market.
Of course we would like to celebrate the good news so often associated with the articles posted here. It's what we have invested in, so don't we have all the right to do so? Unfortunately there are some individuals here that wont even let us be to do that. Jealousy perhaps?
I wish that more people would actually respect & understand this excellent viewpoint.
Hmmm, or how bout just ignoring them? That always seems to work. Would be nice if aD could incorporate some type of "block" function that would hide certain users comments from you by adding them to a blocked list.
# opens browser..
# afterdawn.com..
# login, goodswipe..
# ahh, nobrainer..
# block user..
/USER BLOCK FTW!
So Sony plans on making new HDTV's that have Blu-ray players built into them? I think that's a horrible idea. What happens if the player ever breaks? The chances of that happening are pretty slim, but nothing is impossible.
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10. April 2008 @ 17:15 |
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ryu77:
Actually, it's the other way around. Almost every single news item remotely related to Blu-ray is bombarded with negative posts from those that just love to complain about anything to do with Sony and/or Blu-ray. The first post on this thread was conducive to a positive conversation relating to the flow of the news article, followed by 7 posts that were against what the news article was trying to relay.
Those of us that would much prefer to have positive conversations relating to the aforementioned articles can't even do so, as we are continually defending the product that we would like to see make steps towards advancement and the mainstream market.
Of course we would like to celebrate the good news so often associated with the articles posted here. It's what we have invested in, so don't we have all the right to do so? Unfortunately there are some individuals here that wont even let us be to do that. Jealousy perhaps?
I wish that more people would actually respect & understand this excellent viewpoint.
I wish that also, but not likely to happen.
But one can always dream.
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10. April 2008 @ 20:13 |
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Yeah id have to block myself thou, wonder how that would work.
I like Sony products. I dont like the Fact that Sony is being the Enforcer of the new HD media. granted they pourd x amount of sums into Blu-ray. they are not the Makers of Blu-ray Just backers of the said technology.
Mabey its just me, but Sony's Consumer mind just hasn't been the same as it used to be.
My biggest fear with Sony right now is this. they are the only contender's of Optical HD Media, what's to stop them from not dropping prices at all, nothing they have no compatition.
Sure its a givin Blu-ray DRM will be Broken, but think about it The don't like people(consumers)Screwing with there Stuff.
PSP is a Fine example Why a Complete HardWare Redesign, it was not Neccesary. they did it to keep people out however it didn't work.
the money wasted in the R&D department could have went to better software design, more first party titles. or just a better way to get a product out there. how many PSP games have you seen advetized on tv.
Sigh, i guess what im tying to say is they need to straiten out there bussinnes model.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Yeah id have to block myself thou, wonder how that would work.
I like Sony products. I dont like the Fact that Sony is being the Enforcer of the new HD media. granted they pourd x amount of sums into Blu-ray. they are not the Makers of Blu-ray Just backers of the said technology.
Mabey its just me, but Sony's Consumer mind just hasn't been the same as it used to be.
My biggest fear with Sony right now is this. they are the only contender's of Optical HD Media, what's to stop them from not dropping prices at all, nothing they have no compatition.
So which one is it? They are the only company involved in Blu-ray or they are not? I think you answered your own concerns. If you are referring to an alternative to Blu-ray as an optical media, what was the alternative to DVD?
The fact is that there are many companies involved in the Blu-ray Disc Association, so it is not only Sony that will benefit from advances made with this technology. The article clearly states that they currently have a 20% market share of Blu-ray hardware, so that means 80% currently belongs to other companies.
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
My guess is that most of the people that complain about Blu-ray and DRM etc. are those that can't afford a high end system and think that they should be able to obtain endless amounts of movies absolutely free to play on their good old reliable CRT.
that sounds just like the sony sales pitch of "if its expensive it must be good" its a keeping up with the joneses remark and most ppl that are 16+ can see right through it.
What sony wish to do is make more equipment with blu-ray in built and phase out dvd, to force everyone to accept the restrictions of their DRM analogue hole blocker. they want a 50% share with current dvd hardware.
if you take into account the ps3 sony already have a 95%+ market share as its pointless purchasing any other equipment as quality is not the gap it was with none HDMI equipment, so sony are basically running a monopoly as there are no manufacturers that can compete with the cheap ps3 which you can pick up off of ebay for as little as £150.
for the average user blu-ray amounts to very little especially in the uk where the only hi-def material is either on a nextgen disc that costs 2 to 3x the price of the equivalent DVD, or via a subscription to sky or cable and the recent announcement from ofcom basically stated there will only be 4 available channels at some point around 2012 that are full mpeg 4 and then the other remaining bandwidth will be sold off for a few others but they will have to use a lesser codec because of the insufficient bandwidth. So why would ppl want to downgrade just as they have found out with DAB (most UK DAB channels broadcast at 96kbps or less, worse quality than current analogue stereo) to a lesser service full of compression?
so ppl in the UK can purchase this overpriced equipment with the overpriced media and then get to watch normal 480i broadcasts on their 1080p screens unless they want to shell out even more cast to subscribe to sky/cable, great and the kick in the bo****ks is that because of the DRM yet to be switched on (broadcast flag not to be confused with Blu-Ray ICT they either forcibly downgrades content to just better than dvd or blocks the signal altogether (Image Constraint Token)) all current sky HD or freeview HD boxes are going to be incompatible so guess what, you get to purchase your equipment all over again!
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Hollywood's desire to force DRM on TV fans doesn't stop at the U.S. border -- an international consortium of television and technology companies is devising draconian anti-consumer restrictions for the next generation of TVs in Europe and beyond, at the behest of American entertainment giants.
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Hollywood reportedly in agreement to delay forced quality downgrades for Blu-ray, HD DVD
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As the DVD format welcomes two potential heirs to its kingship as the commercial video medium of choice, there are mounting concerns that these new heirs are nothing but pretenders. Blu-ray and HD DVD?the two competing "standards" for the next-generation of video discs?are both shackled with technologically-forged chains, but those chains may be broken by a consumer electronics industry wary of how their existence could hamper sales.
One of the most controversial aspects of these next-generation products is something called the Image Constraint Token (ICT), a security "feature" that allows studios to force-downgrade video quality on players that lack a special video output that was designed to thwart piracy. This "HDMI" connector standard is part of a "protected pathway" for video that was meant to combat piracy by making it impossible for pirates to tap into high-definition video output and press "Record," as it were. Many fear, however, that the only success HDMI will have is in making honest users miserable, inasmuch as consumers could be left with a product that plays at low quality or not at all if HDMI is not present on one's player or TV.
@ eatsushi
btw how many players are currently 1.1 and how long have they been on sale(release date please), how many players still in shops are 1.0 (obsolete book ends) and how many players are future proof 2.0?
BTW FYI, i am not anti sony, i am anti MPAA/RIAA/BPI/IFPI/Soundexchange, DRM, anti consumer tactics, ect, sony just happen to be one of the worst offenders, when they offer media or a service that is consumer friendly i will applaud them but while they continue to force draconian anti-consumer DRM on everyone purchasing legitimate media i will point this out as consumers need to know.
the only ppl that win here are teh pirates as they get media without any DRM restrictions, that will play on any device in a quality of their choice.
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Any organization reaching a major anniversary would be proud of this fact, with press releases, interviews and celebration. The IFPI hasn?t said anything about reaching its 75th birthday. Instead, one of their staff has edited their Wikipedia page to keep their roots a secret. So what exactly do they want to hide?
On the contrary, the IFPI returned to fascist Italy for the next congress, held in the northern tourist resort of Stresa in 1934. Specially invited was CISAC, the France-based International Confederation of Authors and Composers Societies. They had heavily opposed the IFPI?s goal in giving the phonographic producers rights of their own within the framework of the Berne convention, since they feared this would lessen the composers? rights. At the meeting in Stresa, the IFPI convinced CISAC to support an alternative line, where the record companies? rights would be guaranteed in a special convention.
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Originally posted by goodswipe:
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Excellent idea...and excellent example.
An ignore button like what they have on avsforums or highdef digest would be most welcome.
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Originally posted by juankerr:
Originally posted by goodswipe:
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Excellent idea...and excellent example.
An ignore button like what they have on avsforums or highdef digest would be most welcome.
I've already pressed my ignore button. :-D
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I myself would love a block option but as a mod I really can't...though I do have a ban button! But really, if it is something you guys actually want then suggest/post it in the appropriate area.
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Actually Oner how about this. No more non-information stories about crap supposition from Sony?
We don't give a ---- what sony want or don't want, the simple fact is they are anti competition and anti consumer.
As part of the BIG 4 music and media cartel I boycott everything Sony. That's my choice, and I think people are stupid who buy anything made by sony.. If they want to support a non-free world carry on.. Not for me to stop them being stupid and buying overpriced shoddy goods Globalcorp )engsoc) here we come.
Think in future I will restrict my comments about all these BS non news items to just that.. BS supposition and propaganda.. it's not news!
Whereas a sub $300 laptop comes out... Revolutionary new operating system.. not a murmer.. I'm starting to think certain people are in the employ of Sony on this site, constantly pushing this non news agenda of everything this EVIL corporation spouts.
/rant off.
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Originally posted by varnull:
Actually Oner how about this. No more non-information stories about crap supposition from Sony?
We don't give a ---- what sony want or don't want, the simple fact is they are anti competition and anti consumer.
As part of the BIG 4 music and media cartel I boycott everything Sony. That's my choice, and I think people are stupid who buy anything made by sony.. If they want to support a non-free world carry on.. Not for me to stop them being stupid and buying overpriced shoddy goods Globalcorp )engsoc) here we come.
Think in future I will restrict my comments about all these BS non news items to just that.. BS supposition and propaganda.. it's not news!
Whereas a sub $300 laptop comes out... Revolutionary new operating system.. not a murmer.. I'm starting to think certain people are in the employ of Sony on this site, constantly pushing this non news agenda of everything this EVIL corporation spouts.
/rant off.
Here Come the Fanboys Varnull, Marching in to take you away.
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