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PS3 Hacking General Chat
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27. April 2008 @ 04:51 |
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Hi there folks!
I check onto Afterdawn about 3 times a week mainly on the PS3 forum and it seems that everytime i log on I see a new thread on hacking the PS3. I look at what people are saying and it seems most are totally desperate to get PS£ games for free. I myself have never chipped a console because ive never seen the point in it. Ive always had a collection of about 3 or 4 games and when im finished with one I part ex it back in and get a new one.
Im just interested to know what peoples motives are for Hacking there consoles? It seems like some people put a massive amount of energy into this so much so that if they applied it into a money making exercise they would be able to afford the tenna to part ex their old game.
Each to there own n all that but id be interested to hear other peoples views and reasons.
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27. April 2008 @ 09:24 |
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Money may be one of the motivations. There is money to be made for mod chips. Also theres just some people out there that either does not want to shell out $60 per game so downloading and burning is the way to go
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marioinc
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27. April 2008 @ 16:40 |
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I want to buy games, but if they could just lower the prices... I know they need to make a profit, but come on 70 bucks (which here is ?70, so like $110) for a game? 4 games cost more than the console itself...
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Dab117
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27. April 2008 @ 18:24 |
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There are still those with legitimate interest in playing backups of their original games. That's why I originally got Swap magic for my ps2. I lent someone a few games, they were returned damaged but still working. (though the temptation of playing backups I didn't own got the better of me.) And also, pushing the ps3 beyond what Sony has allowed for us is definitely another reason. XBMC for the original xbox was a nice program, allowed people to play multimedia files from the console. If the PS3's OtherOS was allowed full access to the SPU's, it would certainly be interesting to see what the linux fan boys come up with.
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28. April 2008 @ 00:14 |
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Originally posted by Dab117:
If the PS3's OtherOS was allowed full access to the SPU's, it would certainly be interesting to see what the linux fan boys come up with.
That's essentially the only reason why I'd like to see the PS3 get hacked, though this is something I'd prefer Sony to take the initiative to do on their own. because once the PS3 is hacked it means there's going to be butt pirates swarming on every single game when I've payed full price for them and they get the same thing but for free.
If they're really PS fans they should buy their damn games and give the dev's a reason to stop bs'ing us with all these crappy 360 ports and give us something worth the cash we forked out.
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Dab117
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28. April 2008 @ 03:36 |
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Unfortunately, Sony is to paranoid to unlock them. They are a member of the RIAA, so there's no trust what so ever :P
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28. April 2008 @ 05:53 |
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Never understood why they make the games so expensive all it does is give people the incentive to try and copy them, say out of 10 people if the game cost £45 how many would buy it or buy a copy say for £5 lucky if 3 would buy the £45 option now if the game say cost £20-£25 out of the 10 buyers probably 6+ would buy the original so in theory that?s doubled your buyers so how the game makers would be at a lose at lowering the price I just don?t understand also lower game prices would result in more console sales
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marioinc
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28. April 2008 @ 09:08 |
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Originally posted by Dab117:
Unfortunately, Sony is to paranoid to unlock them. They are a member of the RIAA, so there's no trust what so ever :P
well if they did unlock them then probably less than a week later there will be tons of isoloaders etc, so I guess they're right if they don't want to promote piracy.
killalot, my thoughts exactly
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Dab117
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28. April 2008 @ 10:29 |
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Games cost a lot to make. GTAIV, for example, supposedly cost $100 million to make and is expected to make 400 Million in the first week. However, the money doesn't just go to them. Sony and the stores all get a cut. If they reduce the $60 price tag to $30, they just cut the first week earnings in half and RockStar doesn't recoup the cost of making the game as fast(remember, it's about earnings. Not breaking even. Also, games tend to sell the best in the first few weeks of release so it can be safe to say it represents a large percentage of overall sales). The companies don't care about sales numbers, it's about how much money they make. The only reason number of sales come into play is because of the games have a predetermined set price. (Granted, GTAIV is probably one of the most expensive games ever developed. But it's a working example) Though, I don't know why Europe gets raped on the drastic prices... especially with the US's economy getting worse and worse.
Edit: I thought I'd throw this random factoid in. $400M divided by 60... equals 6,666,666.67 lol
As for the PS3 SPU's; The playstation 3 uses 8 SPU's and 1 PPC. They could unlock 2 or 3 of the SPU's for OtherOS, but the cores wouldn't have the power to render a ps3 game. Anyways, I'm sure it's a pipe dream. We'll probably get hacked firmware in a few years that opens up the system.
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28. April 2008 @ 16:15 |
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If the PS3's OtherOS was allowed full access to the SPU's, it would certainly be interesting to see what the linux fan boys come up with.
Never considered that.. But im sure for every one person with a genuin interest in opening up the PS for modding thets say, there are 100,000 people who want to copy games.
I know some people dont have alot of cash but it also seems were going into an era where were all getting spoilt and want everything for free (including the big companies).
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Games cost a lot to make. GTAIV, for example, supposedly cost $100 million to make and is expected to make 400 Million in the first week. However, the money doesn't just go to them. Sony and the stores all get a cut. If they reduce the $60 price tag to $30, they just cut the first week earnings in half and RockStar doesn't recoup the cost of making the game as fast(remember, it's about earnings. Not breaking even.
Nice point and one that makes me think. If I was rockstar and was spending $$$$$$$$$$'s to make a game. What console would i want to make it for? A joke of a console like the Xbox where people just leach off my hard work and hard earned cash by downloading my product off the net and playing it for free. Or would I want to make it for a console that couldnt be hacked there for maxing my profit. Dont you think Rockstar will be pi$$ed at all the money they will lose through Xbox owners copying there product?
Maybe in the future DEVs will look at the PS3 as the console which would see them the most return for thier buck and there for programe for PS3 over Xbox. By hacking the PS3 arnt we damaging it? Look what happend to the Dreamcast.
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28. April 2008 @ 17:59 |
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maybe it is those people that want to bemore earth friendly. Gas prices are going higher, so just think of it as the people ripping the gas companies off. These people just need to get use to the ps store that is all. ;)
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28. April 2008 @ 18:21 |
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Originally posted by sanecrazy:
Nice point and one that makes me think. If I was rockstar and was spending $$$$$$$$$$'s to make a game. What console would i want to make it for? A joke of a console like the Xbox where people just leach off my hard work and hard earned cash by downloading my product off the net and playing it for free. Or would I want to make it for a console that couldnt be hacked there for maxing my profit. Dont you think Rockstar will be pi$$ed at all the money they will lose through Xbox owners copying their product?
Case and point GTA4 getting leaked over a week early of the release date on the torrents. This is what I've been thinking for a while as well but we just keep getting shafted with 360 ports.
Now that ubisoft is finally making a game specifically for the PS3, Haze, they will have learned the in's and out's of the PS3's programming; which is likely why the damn thing gets delayed every month. Hopefully after they get haze finished they'll be able to give us games made for OUR system and not just a port.
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bigo93
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28. April 2008 @ 21:11 |
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Well can you really blame most European gamers for pirating some games. Like marioinc said not only do we pay more for the same games, the European 60GB PS3 was released with software emulation unlike the US and Jap ones which were hardware emulation. This was because SOny realised that hardware emulation costs too much and hence added software emulation because it was cheaper. So it was cheaper to make so you'd expect it would be cheaper to buy. Nope, we still have to pay more than US customers! Sony were saving around US$60 for each european PS3 whilst charging them $60 more than US, that's a $120 greater profit for a more inferior console! Bet they were happy about that.
So with us european customers, especially British customers, being screwed like this all the time, not just Sony but with almost every single product by every company, wouldn't you copy at least a few games???
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alex131
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29. April 2008 @ 10:28 |
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Originally posted by marioinc:
I want to buy games, but if they could just lower the prices... I know they need to make a profit, but come on 70 bucks (which here is ?70, so like $110) for a game? 4 games cost more than the console itself...
That seems pretty ridiculous. I've never paid more than $70 and that was for a special edition of Assassin's Creed. Where the hell do you pay $110 for a PS3 game?
60GB PS3-PSN ID: slappysloopy
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bigo93
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29. April 2008 @ 10:37 |
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Originally posted by alex131:
Originally posted by marioinc:
I want to buy games, but if they could just lower the prices... I know they need to make a profit, but come on 70 bucks (which here is ?70, so like $110) for a game? 4 games cost more than the console itself...
That seems pretty ridiculous. I've never paid more than $70 and that was for a special edition of Assassin's Creed. Where the hell do you pay $110 for a PS3 game?
We're talking about prices in Europe. The RRP of most PS3 games are GBP50, which is US$100.
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29. April 2008 @ 11:50 |
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so why not just import from the US then?
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bigo93
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29. April 2008 @ 11:51 |
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Customs and Duty charges.
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29. April 2008 @ 12:15 |
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it cant be that bad. Ive mailed stuff to canada. Just get the guy who sends it to send it as a gift worth $50 or something.
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29. April 2008 @ 14:50 |
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Originally posted by grkblood:
it cant be that bad. Ive mailed stuff to Canada. Just get the guy who sends it to send it as a gift worth $50 or something.
That is true but that would only work if you get something off a individual and not a company because no company wants to get in hot water by trying to dodge duties. And the reason why it isn't much to ship it from the USA to Canada is because of NAFTA, we don't have anything similar to that with Europe or Australia to the best of my knowledge.
@ bigo93
I'd get that free ps3 tag out of your sig asap before a mod smacks down on you for it.
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29. April 2008 @ 17:42 |
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Games in the UK dont cost £50 most cost £40 and at asda its more like £35.
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