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Toshiba set to launch Blu-ray killer DVD technology
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article published on 30 May, 2008
Citing Toshiba sources, the "Yomiuri Shimbun" newspaper has reported that Toshiba is set to launch a "Blu-ray killing" technology later this year.
The technology, which will be an "extension to the DVD format" will offer comparable video quality to that of current Blu-ray titles and now defunct HD DVD discs. The sources cited even said that the company will begin offering DVD players ... [ read the full article ]
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30. May 2008 @ 18:10 |
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Atleast they're still fighting back.
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30. May 2008 @ 18:16 |
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Oh, sweet irony!
This would be fantastic, if true.
The price-gouging Sony junta out on their butts.
Superior quality at a reasonable price.
Actual competition instead of monopolistic thuggery and bribery winning out.
What'll really going to happen?
The studios will cling to this format long enough to keep Blu Ray format around for two or three more years.
Toshiba goes under and Sony's left with its junk after an even newer, cheaper, non-disc format comes out and everybody waits for that.
That's where I am now. If Sony had lowered their prices after they killed HD-DVD, I'd have bought. Instead, they gouged. So I'm never buying. I thought I would, since I collect films and like high-end video, but no. They've left a sour taste.
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30. May 2008 @ 18:28 |
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I'm not saying this wouldn't be good.. but how does this really differ from HD-DVD? You still need to buy a new hardware for it.
Not a very smart move from Toshiba..
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30. May 2008 @ 18:37 |
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Originally posted by itago:
I'm not saying this wouldn't be good.. but how does this really differ from HD-DVD? You still need to buy a new hardware for it.
Not a very smart move from Toshiba..
Seriously.
When you've been bloodied like they have, why would you start another fight?
If they can afford it, though, I say more power to them.
Hurt Sony. They need hurting.
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30. May 2008 @ 18:44 |
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Super Resolution Technology:
> No 1080p/24 fps unchanged from source to display
> No Dolby Digital Plus
> No Dolby True HD
> No DTS HD High Resolution
> No DTS HD Master Audio
> No Uncompressed Audio
> No HDi features (HD DVD)
> No web-enabled features (HD DVD)
> No BD Profile 1.1 features (BD)
> No BD-Live 2.0 features (BD)
> No DiVX HD support
> No AVCHD support - essential for my new Canon HF100 HD videocam
Sorry. Not interested.
I'll keep my HD DVD and BD players and discs.
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30. May 2008 @ 18:50 |
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Originally posted by error5:
Super Resolution Technology:
Sorry. Not interested.
I'll keep my HD DVD and BD players and discs.
It won't be decided in America. Whether it survives and prospers as an interm format will be up to Japanese consumers.
Which is actually why I don't think it will.
The Japanese had HDTV long before we did, and with a better resolution and format. It remains to be seen if they'll even adopt BR. So far, they seem totally unimpressed and who can blame them? They have better Internet service than we do and have already transitioned to compressed, non-media formats with their pocketbooks. When cellphone video looks "good enough" to you, and when you can get what you want when you want it at home, cheaper than owning it, why buy?
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error5
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30. May 2008 @ 18:58 |
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Originally posted by mspurloc:
It remains to be seen if they'll even adopt BR. So far, they seem totally unimpressed and who can blame them?
BluRay has great momentum in Japan. The sales of standalone BluRay recorders are brisk.
Blu-ray DVD recorder sales rising fast in Japan
Blu-ray Gains Momentum In Japan
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Sales of high definition Blu-ray DVD recorders are zooming up in Japan as consumers take to the new generation of home movie entertainment after the end of a bitter format war.
Last month the more expensive Blu-ray recorders topped the old generation recorders in the value of sales for the first time, with around a third of machines sold now carrying the new format, research firm BCN Ltd said in a statement.
"Full high-definition picture quality has become a main stream for big-screen TVs, and camcorders with higher picture quality are getting popular, too," said BCN chief analyst Shigehiro Tanaka.
"From the input of data to output, high definition is taking root in Japan."
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30. May 2008 @ 19:12 |
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Have to agree with others here in that upscaling is definately the way forward. BR is just a waste of money as far as I'm concerned.
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30. May 2008 @ 19:13 |
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Originally posted by error5:
Super Resolution Technology:
> No 1080p/24 fps unchanged from source to display
> No Dolby Digital Plus
> No Dolby True HD
> No DTS HD High Resolution
> No DTS HD Master Audio
> No Uncompressed Audio
> No HDi features (HD DVD)
> No web-enabled features (HD DVD)
> No BD Profile 1.1 features (BD)
> No BD-Live 2.0 features (BD)
> No DiVX HD support
> No AVCHD support - essential for my new Canon HF100 HD videocam
Sorry. Not interested.
I'll keep my HD DVD and BD players and discs.
You forgot
1) No need to get gouged on BD at >$35/disc
2) No need to replace library of discs
3) No need for DRM
"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
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30. May 2008 @ 19:16 |
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1) citing toshiba sources
- but they don't actually name the sources anywhere so it's a rumour for now
2) "new" enhanced dvd players
- in other words we are not talking about a new media format here - we are simply talking about a standard dvd upscaler that may be better than any upscaler that has gone before it
can an upscaler ( and there is no doubt that toshiba has some mighty fine models )upscale a standard 4.7 or 9 GB dvd disc to ever compete with a 50 Gb blu ray disc ?
if it can as they claim in this article kill blu ray then why did they even bother with HD-DVD in the first place
Toshiba has 2 problems as far as I can see ( even though I believe they make excellent products )
1) They now have the reputaion of the betamax of the 21st Century after pulling the plug on HD-DVD
2) They risk alienating a large section of their consumer base ( HD-DVD owners ) if they now begin to release new different technology machines which will not be compatible with HD-DVD.
maybe what they're really talking about is deep colour enhancement - Toshiba always had a hard-on about that and it was incorporated in upper end HD-DVD players like the EP-35 and XE-1 : only problem is - no media has ever been produced with deep colout enhancement to take advantage of the technology except home made movies on HD camcorders.
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30. May 2008 @ 19:17 |
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30. May 2008 @ 19:29 |
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considering most people with a hdtv that havent bought into blu-ray already have a upconverter a $200 player seems like a really dumb idea. This junk has failed before it even came out.
what a waste of time and money even more than hd-dvd and that was a complete bust, maybe if they include a free cable,50 movies a applogy for sucking so much then it will be kinda worth it...not really though.
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30. May 2008 @ 19:33 |
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pretty much if you know where to look you can find good deals. the problem is that most people are to lazy to do any research to find them. I know that granted that the majority of people on this forum or other forums know to do research before doing anything that is why we are here. I personally do not pay over 25.00 for any blu ray title. Most of them that I get are 15-20 and with free shipping. I may not get it the same day that it is released but as long as you have patience you can find things. When the National Treasure 2 (2 disc dvd edition) was released I saw that it was priced higher then the blu-ray version. People just need to look.
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30. May 2008 @ 19:34 |
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Originally posted by juankerr:
Originally posted by iluvendo:
1) No need to get gouged on BD at >$35/disc
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You're a fool if you're still paying $35 for a BluRay movie
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True, But I would never pay that, but some would and do
And But you did not address No DRM.
BluRay Sales are everywhere - if you know where to look
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30. May 2008 @ 19:53 |
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Originally posted by iluvendo:
1) No need to get gouged on BD at >$35/disc
*juankerr answered to that
Originally posted by iluvendo:
2) No need to replace library of discs
You have bought a BD player and there was no upscale option? or the disc didnt feat to the tray?
Why with a Sony BD player you have to re-buy your movies and with a Toshiba you dont?
Originally posted by iluvendo:
3) No need for DRM
what you say is that you have tried to copy a BD disc to your pc and DRM blocked you?
Cause i have seen many BD movies and i havent seen any DRM watermark blocking my view or anything, the audio was cool too, i havent heard anything weird either.
Where DRM made your entertainment difficult exactly?
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juankerr
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30. May 2008 @ 20:01 |
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Originally posted by iluvendo:
2) No need to replace library of discs
I don't have a large library of regular DVD's. The few regular DVD's that I have are handled very well by my Toshiiba HD-XA2.
When I buy new releases I buy the high def version. My collection now consists mostly of HD DVD and BD titles.
Originally posted by iluvendo:
3) No need for DRM
So regular DVD's don't have DRM too???
DRM is such a non-issue right now. BluRay PC drives are still quite expensive, not to mention the blank media. Besides, as long as the guys at Slysoft are doing their job, what do you have to worry about?
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30. May 2008 @ 20:47 |
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Originally posted by juankerr:
Originally posted by iluvendo:
2) No need to replace library of discs
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I don't have a large library of regular DVD's.
But the rest of us do. Your situation may be best suited for the niche HD market
The few regular DVD's that I have are handled very well by my Toshiiba HD-XA2.
When I buy new releases I buy the high def version. My collection now consists mostly of HD DVD and BD titles.
Originally posted by iluvendo:
3) No need for DRM
So regular DVD's don't have DRM too???
DRM is such a non-issue right now. BluRay PC drives are still quite expensive, not to mention the blank media. Besides, as long as the guys at Slysoft are doing their job, what do you have to worry about?
BD DRM comments please ?
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/668954/4069982
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"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
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error5
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30. May 2008 @ 21:11 |
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Originally posted by iluvendo:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/668954/4069982
More of the same doom and gloom from nobrainer.
Like I said, BD DRM is a problem only if you don't know about Slysoft.
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30. May 2008 @ 21:23 |
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how can 480i upscaling even compare to true uncompressed 1080p bluray image i can't wait to see if they can get high res pop that only hddvd and bluray where able to do. i know this never countout Toshiba can't wait see it in action i am looking forward to it.
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30. May 2008 @ 21:24 |
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It's the usual story: People complain about BD+. Some time later Slysoft comes up with an update and you see the latest Fox titles on torrent sites.
BD+ is ineffective and broken. Macrovision (the new owners of the BD+ patent) should realize this by now.
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30. May 2008 @ 21:32 |
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Originally posted by error5:
Originally posted by iluvendo:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/668954/4069982
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More of the same doom and gloom from nobrainer.
While nobrainer may miss the mark on occassion, his chicken little cries do deserve merit. Sony comes out with a rook kit virus on our store bought cd's. NBC "inadvertantly" activates a broadcast flag on no recording for time shifting, calling it an accident. Then Microsoft's one day big plan is for all of use to repay for activation yearly of their then new OS. Control over the public in our bought and paid for entertainment is the plan of the multimedia industrial giants. Control in what we watch,control in how we watch it (ipod, home tv,etc),control in how long we have the ability to watch when we already paid for it, the list goes on endlessly.
Nobrainer is not crazy. He/she just cannot trust giant corporations, and for good reason. Most see nobrainer as ranting and raving. He/she maybe just the "nut" that wakes us to our senses, so that we quit believing the spin the corporations spill out.
"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
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30. May 2008 @ 21:48 |
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The fact remains that BD+ has been broken in the past and any new updates will likely be broken in the future.
Right now it's a non-factor and is as effective as a knife in a gunfight.
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