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Toshiba set to launch Blu-ray killer DVD technology
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 30 May, 2008
Citing Toshiba sources, the "Yomiuri Shimbun" newspaper has reported that Toshiba is set to launch a "Blu-ray killing" technology later this year.
The technology, which will be an "extension to the DVD format" will offer comparable video quality to that of current Blu-ray titles and now defunct HD DVD discs. The sources cited even said that the company will begin offering DVD players ... [ read the full article ]
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30. May 2008 @ 22:04 |
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BD+ is also not owned by sony anymore so its not the great evil it once was and I think the whole DRM live key setup will be avoided for the most part, since you can rip the BR film and re encode it to a BR disc..makes all thos millions spent seem moot eh?
As for a BR killer it has to be better and cheaper, I don't see anything beating BR for 5 years, and I can see it out pacing DVD as far as new stuff is sold in that time frame.
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30. May 2008 @ 22:07 |
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Woo! Let's take a technological step backward! Gimme a break! Going back to red lasers would be dumb. Im not disagreeing that sony is right to charge what they do for blu ray, but still a new dvd player just seems like a step in the wrong direction... :-/
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30. May 2008 @ 22:13 |
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Originally posted by heychuall:
Woo! Let's take a technological step backward! Gimme a break! Going back to red lasers would be dumb. Im not disagreeing that sony is right to charge what they do for blu ray, but still a new dvd player just seems like a step in the wrong direction... :-/
HDVD tech had 51GB discs,so the red lazer is not the problem, size,qaulity and price is the problem and will always be, sony played a hard and dirty game to win the market but since BR has for the most part been "defanged" for the most part theres no reason to brow beat it.
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30. May 2008 @ 22:38 |
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This junk is funny.
My PS3 upconverts just fine.....oh....and it plays hi-def movies also....
Toshiba...WTF?!?!
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31. May 2008 @ 00:45 |
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Uh, i don't get it?! didn't we just see this episode? oh this is the new one where Toshiba looses! Wait yeah thats the one i saw last year! it ended in February!
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31. May 2008 @ 00:54 |
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Originally posted by PantherM:
This junk is funny.
My PS3 upconverts just fine.....oh....and it plays hi-def movies also....
Toshiba...WTF?!?!
not really itas a better upconverting setup that might can maximize certain compression types to high def.
altho..pointless BR will be under 200 a player in 22 months.
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Originally posted by juankerr :
So regular DVD's don't have DRM too???
DRM is such a non-issue right now. BluRay PC drives are still quite expensive, not to mention the blank media. Besides, as long as the guys at Slysoft are doing their job, what do you have to worry about?
regular dvd's are cracked beyond repair but sony and disney keep trying to lock them up so lets hope this new format will be a DRM killer as if its not full of anti-consumer locks like blu-ray it will be the media player i choose and advise other ppl to purchase.
you are correct about the price of the blu-ray media and drives and as a backup solution its pointless.
the DRM on the other hand is a bit iffy as sony's own BDP-S300 was made with the intention of not ever playing copies, home movies ect because of aacs authoring SPDC.
go : http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=BDPS300
click on the "Operating Instructions" and read the PDF. scroll down to page 6 and read "Examples Of Discs The Player Cannot Play" basically unless you get your dvd authored by aacs it will not play, nor will BD+ media and this is not the only blu-ray player that blocks media.
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The player cannot play the following discs:
? BD-REsIBD-Rs.
Bl)s with cartridge.
? l)VD-RWsIDVD-Rs of VR mode.
l)Vl)-RAMs.
? lID DVDs.
? DVD Audio discs.
? DATA CDs (CD-Rs/CD-RW5 other than music CD format).
? Cl)-ROMs recorded in PHOTO CD format.
Data part of CD-Extras.
? VCDs/Super VCDs.
? Ill) layer on Super Audio CDs.
Also, the player cannot play the following discs:
? A BD-ROMIDVD VIDEO with a different region code.
? A disc recorded in a color system other than NTSC. such as
PAL (this player conforms to the NTSC color system).
? A disc that has a non-standard shape (e.g.. card, heart).
? A disc with paper or stickers on it.
A disc that has the adhesive of cellophane tape or a sticker still
left on ii
Notes
? Notes about DVD+RWs/DVD+Rs. DVD-RWs!DVD.Rs. or CD-Rs/
CD?R%s
Some l)VD+RWs/l)VD+Rs. DVD-RWs/l)Vl)-Rs. or CD-Rs/
CD-RWs cannot be played on this player due to the recording
quality or physical condition of the disc, or the characteristics
of the recording device and authoring software.
The DVD disc will not play if it has not been correctly
finalized. For more inlormation. refer to the operating
instructions for the recording device. Note that some playback
functions may not work with sonic DVD+RWsIDVD+Rs. even
if they have been correctly finalized. In this case, view the disc
by normal playback.
? Music discs encoded with copyright protection technologies
This product is designed to playback discs that conform to the
Compact Disc (CD) standard. Recently. various music discs
encoded with copyright protection technologies are being
marketed by sonic record companies. Please be aware that
among those discs, there are some that do not conform to the
CD standard and may not be playable by this produci
? Note on DualDiscs
A DualDisc is a two sided disc product which mates DVI)
recorded material on one side with digital audio material on the
other side.
I lowever. since the audio material side does not conform to the
Compact Disc (CD) standard, playback on this product is not
guaranteed.
? Note about double-layer DVDs
The playback pictures and sound may he momentarily
interrupted when the layers switch.
Home made Blu Ray discs and PS3
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-946056.html
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cinemeccanica
11-27-07, 03:04 PM
I made a Blu Ray disc with Scenarist 4.2 , I completed the disc image , manus and all. The disc is fully played smoothly by Panasonic BD10 player but not on my PS3. I burned it on BD-RE and inserted in my PS3, on the PS3 menu it's seen as BDMV but when it starts playing I have the following message:
Invalid disc
Can anyone explain why?
GodobeHD
11-27-07, 03:36 PM
No explanation. Just the way BD has always been in the last year and a half--- Samsung and Pany will play home made disks while Sony and PS3 won't.
It seems to me that there is no point in wasting our time trying to author homemade disks that will play in ALL BD players until some day Sony decides to support homemade disks.
Actually that is one of the advantages advacated by BD supporters that BD movies are going to be much harder to crack and reproduce, and therefore offer much better protection to manufactures and studios.
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double post....
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nobrainer
all due respect even HDVD didnt have burners out, the format is new and costly, there should be a movement to BR blank media "friendly" players.
As profit hungry as all the hardware vendors are there will be a rush to blank support with the coming generations after all multi media friendly is a big part of their profits, what good is the player if it can't handle the disc from the camcorder and they are both the same format.
Sony tried to dominate the market and IMO failed to because they had to sell off so much to keep from being crushed by the waves, sure they have won the format war, but at what cost? they sold off cell they sold off BD+,they sold off a insurance firm that probably saved them some money that they will lose in time due to price hikes and what not, I mean all Sony has left is some of their Hardware(half of which suck) brands the PS3(which is not bad) and their film depo, their ties to BR have dwindled so much its kinda sad, if they keep treating the consumer like thieving children they will not only lose film sales but hardware to compentition, they should focus on illicit profit while leavign the consumer untouched, then sale in volume at a reasonable price, pricing gouging and region schemes will just cost them look at valve and the recent article here on piracy
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/14301.cfm
Consumer piracy is basically a myth they simply refuse to fill the needs of the consumer.
this has made me create a new zippyisim
Zippy fact?&myth!:
Consumer piracy is a myth, failed business schemes to increase profits widens the gap in consumers served, loss of consumers= loss of profit.:ZippyDSMlee
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Originally posted by nobrainer:
Home made Blu Ray discs and PS3
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-946056.html
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cinemeccanica
11-27-07, 03:04 PM
I made a Blu Ray disc with Scenarist 4.2 , I completed the disc image , manus and all. The disc is fully played smoothly by Panasonic BD10 player but not on my PS3. I burned it on BD-RE and inserted in my PS3, on the PS3 menu it's seen as BDMV but when it starts playing I have the following message:
Invalid disc
Can anyone explain why?
GodobeHD
11-27-07, 03:36 PM
No explanation. Just the way BD has always been in the last year and a half--- Samsung and Pany will play home made disks while Sony and PS3 won't.
It seems to me that there is no point in wasting our time trying to author homemade disks that will play in ALL BD players until some day Sony decides to support homemade disks.
Actually that is one of the advantages advacated by BD supporters that BD movies are going to be much harder to crack and reproduce, and therefore offer much better protection to manufactures and studios.
You quote from an obscure thread with no evidence that these people actually know what they are talking about, yet the links in my signature provide access to threads right here at Afterdawn, which is solid proof that I have helped many people create playable Blu-ray discs on their PS3.
Originally posted by iluvendo:
BD DRM comments please ?
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/668954/4069982
I have left my comment on that thread as requested.
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Originally posted by error5:
Super Resolution Technology:
> No 1080p/24 fps unchanged from source to display
> No Dolby Digital Plus
> No Dolby True HD
> No DTS HD High Resolution
> No DTS HD Master Audio
> No Uncompressed Audio
> No HDi features (HD DVD)
> No web-enabled features (HD DVD)
> No BD Profile 1.1 features (BD)
> No BD-Live 2.0 features (BD)
> No DiVX HD support
> No AVCHD support - essential for my new Canon HF100 HD videocam
Sorry. Not interested.
I'll keep my HD DVD and BD players and discs.
You forgot
1) No need to get gouged on BD at >$35/disc
2) No need to replace library of discs
3) No need for DRM
So, let me get this straight...
Toshiba is investing in another format, but this one has worse quality than HD-DVD. LOL. That is classic! Who is running Toshiba, the Three Stooges?
You forgot
1) Toshiba will waste another truckload of cash on a inferior Media
2) Not FULL HD?!?!? What's the point? Just upconvert your current DVD collection.
3) Will Microsoft try to bribe movie studios with cash & prizes again?
4) BestBuy should give a FREE Dunce Cap with every purchase of the new toshiba format.
5) After receiving the FREE Dunce Cap, the consumer should also receive a kick in the nuts.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
nobrainer
all due respect even HDVD didnt have burners out, the format is new and costly, there should be a movement to BR blank media "friendly" players.
what is concerning zippy is that as with the bdp300 as well as other sony blu-ray players is that the ability to read dvd-, bd-r, ect, unless authored by aacs has been deliberately made none functional.
lets hope the new Toshiba model will actually be consumer friendly and give us the choice to use media that is current instead of trying to force a move to the DRM'ed propertarian format.
i won't give up with dvd's while they cost 5p for a 4.7gig storage capacity and can be burnt in a very short time, this also may be the benefit of adopting the Toshiba offering.
Lets just hope that the MPAA doesn't have the same stranglehold on this new format as it currently has with blu-ray.
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Originally posted by nobrainer:
what is concerning zippy is that as with the bdp300 as well as other sony blu-ray players is that the ability to read dvd-, bd-r, ect, unless authored by aacs has been deliberately made none functional.
See my link above regarding the new update to the Sony players.
http://www.sony-asia.com/support/announc...site=hp_en_AP_i
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Sony Blu-ray players BDP-S1E, BDP-S300 and BDP-S500 Firmware Update - Updated on 9th May 2008
? Improves BD-Java compatibility to enhance interactivity with some BD-ROMs.
? Compatibility with the newly released BD-R/RE format (BDMV).
The upcoming Sony models are compatible out of the box.
http://www.agoraquest.com/article.php?si...order=0&thold=0
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compatible with a wide array of video formats, including BD-R/RE (BDMV and BDAV modes) ,DVD+R/+RW, DVD-R/-RW, CD, CD-R/RW (CD-DA format), and JPEG on DVD/CD recordable media
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hehehe.. sorry to be the proverbial spanner in the works.
Who in their right mind pays 30% over the odds to have the SONY badge on the top right corner of a bit of hardware, unless they already have a full $ony setup? It's no better sounding/looking than the competition and is a maintenance nightmare. They also have a "rip the consumer off" service attitude, frequently trying to restrict your statutory rights.
(I was being good up till now... sony hardware is shite. It uses in house components which are almost impossible to source when things go wrong)
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Originally posted by varnull:
Who in their right mind pays 30% over the odds to have the SONY badge on the top right corner of a bit of hardware, unless they already have a full $ony setup?
I would agree that Sony would not be my first choice for a BluRay player - in fact it would be the Panasonic DMP-BD50. However, your comment has nothing to do with the above discussion regarding DRM, BD+ and BD-R/RE compatibility. Just as we were dismantling the DRM argument, it seems that you just came here to try to switch topics.
BTW, on the subject of DRM, I think Ryu77's post on another thread is worth quoting:
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It's not the player that needs to be hacked. I have been stripping Blu-ray movies apart (removing all DRM/copy protection) and re-authoring them for quite some time now. I also re-author these discs as region free. Every Blu-ray player that I have attempted to play these discs on have "BD-ROM" playability and have played back flawlessly every time.
This pretty much sums it all up.
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1TB Blu-Ray Compatible Optical Disc Announced
Call/Recall has announced it is developing a 1TB optical drive and disk, backwards compatible with Blu-ray, in partnership with with the Nichia Corporation of Japan.
Call/Recall began synthesizing 1TB materials for Nichia?s blue-violet laser diodes in December 2007, with first initial testing successfully completed in March 2008.
InPhase has just this year announced its revolutionary 300GB holographic disk and here is another optical format with more than three times the capacity.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/28/..._optical_drive/
This is great news...Soon you will be able to get a season series in HighDef on one disc.That just shows that Blu-Ray is going to be around for a long long time.
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Originally posted by NexGen76:
1TB Blu-Ray Compatible Optical Disc Announced
Call/Recall has announced it is developing a 1TB optical drive and disk, backwards compatible with Blu-ray, in partnership with with the Nichia Corporation of Japan.
Call/Recall began synthesizing 1TB materials for Nichia?s blue-violet laser diodes in December 2007, with first initial testing successfully completed in March 2008.
InPhase has just this year announced its revolutionary 300GB holographic disk and here is another optical format with more than three times the capacity.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/28/..._optical_drive/
This is great news...Soon you will be able to get a season series in HighDef on one disc.That just shows that Blu-Ray is going to be around for a long long time.
i remember when blue ray was first announced.. they said something about fitting a massive ammount of space on a CD.
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This is great news...Soon you will be able to get a season series in HighDef on one disc.That just shows that Blu-Ray is going to be around for a long long time.
I give these blu disks 3 years until they are as extinct as the minidisk...
They will still split stuff across disk after disk.. it's part of the methodology of fleecing the consumer which started in the days of tape... we could get 4 hour vhs tapes, so why only 3 30 minute episodes on each?
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Originally posted by varnull:
I give these blu disks 3 years until they are as extinct as the minidisk...
I thought you said that the BluRay death watch was 12 months:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/659862#4007295
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I will enjoy watching you fizzle out within 12 months.. idiots.
Now you're giving it three years? Why the reprieve?
Originally posted by varnull:
so why only 3 30 minute episodes on each?
You're misinformed. On the BD release of Lost: Season 3 all 23 episodes are fit into 6 discs. That's about 4 45-minute episodes per disc plus a ton of extras.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/915/lost_s3.html
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
Originally posted by nobrainer:
Home made Blu Ray discs and PS3
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-946056.html
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cinemeccanica
11-27-07, 03:04 PM
I made a Blu Ray disc with Scenarist 4.2 , I completed the disc image , manus and all. The disc is fully played smoothly by Panasonic BD10 player but not on my PS3. I burned it on BD-RE and inserted in my PS3, on the PS3 menu it's seen as BDMV but when it starts playing I have the following message:
Invalid disc
Can anyone explain why?
GodobeHD
11-27-07, 03:36 PM
No explanation. Just the way BD has always been in the last year and a half--- Samsung and Pany will play home made disks while Sony and PS3 won't.
It seems to me that there is no point in wasting our time trying to author homemade disks that will play in ALL BD players until some day Sony decides to support homemade disks.
Actually that is one of the advantages advacated by BD supporters that BD movies are going to be much harder to crack and reproduce, and therefore offer much better protection to manufactures and studios.
You quote from an obscure thread with no evidence that these people actually know what they are talking about, yet the links in my signature provide access to threads right here at Afterdawn, which is solid proof that I have helped many people create playable Blu-ray discs on their PS3.
Originally posted by juankerr:
Originally posted by nobrainer:
the DRM on the other hand is a bit iffy as sony's own BDP-S300 was made with the intention of not ever playing copies, home movies ect because of aacs authoring SPDC.
nobrainer: Things have changed and updates to the players and authoring/burning software have been made.
For example - BDMV discs authored using DVDIt Pro HD and burned on BD-R or BD-RE can now be played on the S300 and the PS3 (with updated firmware of course) even without AACS:
DVDit Pro HD disc playback compatability list
The May 9th 2008 firmware updates on the Sony players have enabled BDMV compatibility and BD-R/RE disc playback.
Originally posted by Ryu77:
yet the links in my signature provide access to threads right here at Afterdawn, which is solid proof that I have helped many people create playable Blu-ray discs on their PS3.
Bingo. To reiterate, BD+ (and AACS for that matter) is broken, ineffective, and a non-factor at this time. You can complain about it and whine about it all you want. Me? - I just trust the guys at Slysoft.
Originally posted by juankerr:
Originally posted by nobrainer:
what is concerning zippy is that as with the bdp300 as well as other sony blu-ray players is that the ability to read dvd-, bd-r, ect, unless authored by aacs has been deliberately made none functional.
See my link above regarding the new update to the Sony players.
http://www.sony-asia.com/support/announc...site=hp_en_AP_i
Quote:
Sony Blu-ray players BDP-S1E, BDP-S300 and BDP-S500 Firmware Update - Updated on 9th May 2008
? Improves BD-Java compatibility to enhance interactivity with some BD-ROMs.
? Compatibility with the newly released BD-R/RE format (BDMV).
The upcoming Sony models are compatible out of the box.
http://www.agoraquest.com/article.php?si...order=0&thold=0
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compatible with a wide array of video formats, including BD-R/RE (BDMV and BDAV modes) ,DVD+R/+RW, DVD-R/-RW, CD, CD-R/RW (CD-DA format), and JPEG on DVD/CD recordable media
These are perfect examples of what is exactly my issue with "some" peoples misinformation and posts that are nothing more than "fanboy" rants in essence and demeanor. How is it that you can prove to someone that what they say is ABSOLUTELY false with PROOF but yet they keep on disagreeing and posting inconsistent old/bad misinformation all over the place in MANY of aD's threads? Whatever...
Either way I am going to say this once again as I have MANY times before it, if you cannot post supportive proof/information to your posts or on the other hand continue to propagate misinformation for no other purpose than to incite an argument or otherwise then don't be surprised when temp/perma bans are dealt out as there have been MORE than enough warnings.
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@ oner
as you can see the information i linked was taken directly from the official sony blu-ray player model page with the downloaded manual and i can't see how me linking to sony stating that their own player does not support certain media types is disinformation.
my point is that if Toshiba can produce a product that is not having propertarian DRM controlled by the MPAA it stands a great chance with savy consumers and would be my choice and recommendation to anyone wanting to jump into the Hi-Def format, it will also be much cheaper that the blu laser offering which again is better for the consumers wanting to get into the hi-def without having to re-mortgage their homes but as yet there is no prices quoted so we will have to w8 and see but expect these players to be at least half the current price of the blu-ray.
What is also know is that it is illegal to circumvent BD+, AACS, region coding,ect.
Originally posted by myself:
go : http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=BDPS300
click on the "Operating Instructions" and read the PDF. scroll down to page 6 and read "Examples Of Discs The Player Cannot Play" basically unless you get your dvd authored by aacs it will not play, nor will BD+ media and this is not the only blu-ray player that blocks media.
Originally posted by esupport.sony.com/US:
The player cannot play the following discs:
? BD-REsIBD-Rs.
Bl)s with cartridge.
? l)VD-RWsIDVD-Rs of VR mode.
l)Vl)-RAMs.
? lID DVDs.
? DVD Audio discs.
? DATA CDs (CD-Rs/CD-RW5 other than music CD format).
? Cl)-ROMs recorded in PHOTO CD format.
Data part of CD-Extras.
? VCDs/Super VCDs.
? Ill) layer on Super Audio CDs.
Also, the player cannot play the following discs:
? A BD-ROMIDVD VIDEO with a different region code.
? A disc recorded in a color system other than NTSC. such as
PAL (this player conforms to the NTSC color system).
? A disc that has a non-standard shape (e.g.. card, heart).
? A disc with paper or stickers on it.
A disc that has the adhesive of cellophane tape or a sticker still
left on ii
Notes
? Notes about DVD+RWs/DVD+Rs. DVD-RWs!DVD.Rs. or CD-Rs/
CD?R%s
Some l)VD+RWs/l)VD+Rs. DVD-RWs/l)Vl)-Rs. or CD-Rs/
CD-RWs cannot be played on this player due to the recording
quality or physical condition of the disc, or the characteristics
of the recording device and authoring software.
The DVD disc will not play if it has not been correctly
finalized. For more inlormation. refer to the operating
instructions for the recording device. Note that some playback
functions may not work with sonic DVD+RWsIDVD+Rs. even
if they have been correctly finalized. In this case, view the disc
by normal playback.
? Music discs encoded with copyright protection technologies
This product is designed to playback discs that conform to the
Compact Disc (CD) standard. Recently. various music discs
encoded with copyright protection technologies are being
marketed by sonic record companies. Please be aware that
among those discs, there are some that do not conform to the
CD standard and may not be playable by this produci
? Note on DualDiscs
A DualDisc is a two sided disc product which mates DVI)
recorded material on one side with digital audio material on the
other side.
I lowever. since the audio material side does not conform to the
Compact Disc (CD) standard, playback on this product is not
guaranteed.
? Note about double-layer DVDs
The playback pictures and sound may he momentarily
interrupted when the layers switch.
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Originally posted by varnull:
I give these blu disks 3 years until they are as extinct as the minidisk...?
Well, if you want BluRay to become extinct then it should die off soon. In three years we could very well see sub $100 players and $10 bragain bins for catalog titles.
BDA grants licenses to Chinese manufacturers
We could also see sub $500 1080p flat panels at 32 - 40 inches.
Panasonic PT-AE3000 1080p Projector//Carada 110" Criterion High Contrast Grey 16:9 Screen//Oppo BDP-83SE//Toshiba HD-XA2
Classe SSP800 Processor//Classe CA-5200 5 Channel Amplifier//Classe CA-2200 2 Channel Amplifier
Bowers & Wilkins 802D L-R/HTM 1D Center/SCMS Surrounds/JL Audio Fathom f113 x 2
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juankerr
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31. May 2008 @ 11:15 |
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Originally posted by nobrainer:
i can't see how me linking to sony stating that their own player does not support certain media types is disinformation.
It is disinformation if you don't point out that your assertion is no longer valid due to firmware updates. See Oner's and my post above.
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my point is that if Toshiba can produce a product that is not having propertarian DRM controlled by the MPAA
Regular DVD's have DRM too.
Like we've been pointing out, these copy protection schemes on both DVD and BD have been broken.
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What is also know is that it is illegal to circumvent BD+, AACS, region coding,ect.
That hasn't prevented tech sites such as arstechnica and engadget from reporting on Slysoft's success against BD+ and AACS.
It also hasn't prevented "within-the-rules" discussion on the topic here on AD.
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redux79
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31. May 2008 @ 12:26 |
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The idea of blu-ray sounds great but all of the smaller "details" definitely make me wary.
There are too many small details that worry me. IE connecting online, needing updates to play discs/access features on 2.0, the feeling that I'm being watched and monitored 24/7. This points to blu-ray still being in early adopter status after all this time.
I have a feeling that you will never be able to buy a blu-ray player that doesn't require an online connection due to ever evolving drm. I know slysoft is great, but I have a sneaking suspicion that once a finalized BD player/profile is finally reached the hammer is going to come down in a way that we have never seen before. To the point where the final true blu-ray drm is changing so quickly combined with player updates that even slysoft can't keep up.
I?m not saying I will never buy a blu-ray player but all of these things seem totally unnecessary and most definitely not intended to benefit me the consumer. This new BD tech compared to dvd is leaps and bounds better in the A/V department. However the complexity of maintaining a BD player VS. an SD player is much more complicated and has/will discourage many consumers. When I can buy a high-def player of any kind that is fully functional out of the box (no or limited initial updates) and doesn't want to police what I?m doing I'll be the first in line.
These are the main reasons that current dvd technology combined with different forms of upconversion will hold strong for years to come.
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