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Final Fantasy XIII no longer exclusive to the PS3
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Pride1
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15. July 2008 @ 00:15 |
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As far as i've read it says that you'll be able to copy the WHOLE game to the Xbox360 HDD, i would assume this is optional, or maybe its the same as the PS3 mandatory installs
They need to be clearer on this
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15. July 2008 @ 07:51 |
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Originally posted by Pride1:
As far as i've read it says that you'll be able to copy the WHOLE game to the Xbox360 HDD, i would assume this is optional, or maybe its the same as the PS3 mandatory installs
They need to be clearer on this
Naw... can't be mandatory. The 360 hdd is an optional purchase. So installing a game would also have to be optional.
Plus, MS is saying you can play the entire game from the hdd. The disc would need to be in the tray to verify ownership, but wouldn't be read from during gameplay. So a 20 gig (16 free) would hold what, two games? So it just wouldn't fly being a mandatory install.
It's a nice option. Now I'll finally get some use out of this 120 gig. It'd be even nicer if MS would let owners use their own hdd... like the PS3 lets you.
I read a 500 gig 2.5 is due to be released soon.
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15. July 2008 @ 08:41 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by Oner:
but then again certain MS types always said installs where "bad" and now that the 360 will have installs how is it now?
It's about time they gave users the option to install. But I doubt it'll be a mandatory install. That would leave a lot of Arcade/Core owners out in the dark.
Definitely. They can't otherwise sell the game to the public, but my comment was just speaking in a general term about "installs"...plus if MS had the forethought to include a HD in every 360 then they would have had to allow installs right from the get go. Also something cannot be "mandatory" if EVERY game is not required to have an install (whether it be PS3 or 360).
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15. July 2008 @ 09:23 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by Oner:
but then again certain MS types always said installs where "bad" and now that the 360 will have installs how is it now?
It's about time they gave users the option to install. But I doubt it'll be a mandatory install. That would leave a lot of Arcade/Core owners out in the dark.
Definitely. They can't otherwise sell the game to the public, but my comment was just speaking in a general term about "installs"...plus if MS had the forethought to include a HD in every 360 then they would have had to allow installs right from the get go. Also something cannot be "mandatory" if EVERY game is not required to have an install (whether it be PS3 or 360).
I hear ya. You know how it is with MS... cheaper is better. They figured keeping the cost down by not making the hdd necessary would be a big hit. Of course sales between the Core and Premium showed differently. If they would have just included the hdd from the beginning, we probally would of had the option for game installs from the beginning.
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Of course, thinking about it, if MS would have done that, then they would have needed to deal with the issue of the 20 gig being too small. A 40 or 60 gig would have been needed as a minimum. And that would have really driven up the retail cost.
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15. July 2008 @ 14:02 |
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Originally posted by canuckerz:
If they're just standard HDD inside those casings then the cost difference between the 20 gig and a 60 gig is really negligible.
And the price to buy a HDD separately for the 360 is ridiculous and even more so is that the 120 gig HDD doesn't cost that much more than the 20 gig HDD. That stupid casing must cost a but load to produce if they're asking that much for them.
Now the price isn't bad, but back in '05 60 gig 2.5" drives were still expensive.
MS is saying that the new 60 gig LIVE Starter Pack will sell for $99, and the 120 gig will drop to $149.
The 60 gig pack comes with:
60 gig drive
3 months LIVE
headset
network cable
Keeping in mind that all console manufacturers accessories are expensive, $99 isn't bad for that.
Checking Neweggs selection, their 60gig 2.5 drives run $45-$67. So we'll take the average of $56
$56 - 2.5 60gig drive
$20 - 3 months LIVE
$20 - wired headset
$5~$10 - network cable.
That's over the $99 MS is selling the kit for.
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15. July 2008 @ 14:05 |
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I just quoted canuckerzs post.
How did it get posted ABOVE his?
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15. July 2008 @ 18:05 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by Oner:
but then again certain MS types always said installs where "bad" and now that the 360 will have installs how is it now?
It's about time they gave users the option to install. But I doubt it'll be a mandatory install. That would leave a lot of Arcade/Core owners out in the dark.
Definitely. They can't otherwise sell the game to the public, but my comment was just speaking in a general term about "installs"...plus if MS had the forethought to include a HD in every 360 then they would have had to allow installs right from the get go. Also something cannot be "mandatory" if EVERY game is not required to have an install (whether it be PS3 or 360).
I hear ya. You know how it is with MS... cheaper is better. They figured keeping the cost down by not making the hdd necessary would be a big hit. Of course sales between the Core and Premium showed differently. If they would have just included the hdd from the beginning, we probally would of had the option for game installs from the beginning.
edit
Of course, thinking about it, if MS would have done that, then they would have needed to deal with the issue of the 20 gig being too small. A 40 or 60 gig would have been needed as a minimum. And that would have really driven up the retail cost.
If they're just standard HDD inside those casings then the cost difference between the 20 gig and a 60 gig is really negligible.
And the price to buy a HDD separately for the 360 is ridiculous and even more so is that the 120 gig HDD doesn't cost that much more than the 20 gig HDD. That stupid casing must cost a but load to produce if they're asking that much for them.
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15. July 2008 @ 21:37 |
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Dont see what the problem is personally.....
Whether or not the Xbox360 gets this game, the fact is that the PS3 will eventually dominate Xbox, especially when Home is released. Xbox just cant compete with that.
Does the fact that a game is not exclusive really affect your decision to purchase it ?
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16. July 2008 @ 07:47 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
I just quoted canuckerzs post.
How did it get posted ABOVE his?
idk it confused me too because when I posted it didn't bump it and it still said you had the last post =S
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16. July 2008 @ 10:12 |
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Originally posted by canuckerz:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
I just quoted canuckerzs post.
How did it get posted ABOVE his?
idk it confused me too because when I posted it didn't bump it and it still said you had the last post =S
That issue is supposedly resolved.
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16. July 2008 @ 10:17 |
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Is FFXIII even dated yet?
I have a feeling its delayed even more because they have to move resources for the 360 version. :/
Thank you SquareEnix for taking care of your loyal fanbase.
/sarcasm
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16. July 2008 @ 11:41 |
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Originally posted by VWatts:
I have a feeling its delayed even more because they have to move resources for the 360 version.
I believe I read that the Jap PS3 version was going to be released, and then they'd start development on the 360 version.
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16. July 2008 @ 14:14 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by VWatts:
I have a feeling its delayed even more because they have to move resources for the 360 version.
I believe I read that the Jap PS3 version was going to be released, and then they'd start development on the 360 version.
yep there going to start development after the release of the japanese version
which make me feel better knowing that there not going to cut parts of the game out
just so the can squeeze in on to 4 (maybe more) disks
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16. July 2008 @ 23:55 |
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I was a little disapointed with the news..
I'm not a FF fan really.
BUT it has meant a lot to the PS3 and many gamers who play the PS3. Just remember that FFXIII VERSUS is STILL an exclusive to the PS3. If the game is really going to be on multiple disks for the 360... then I dont really see many owners "installing it on the HDD" as many of them won't have the room... plus even if you DID have the "room", wouldn't you need to STILL insert disk 2,3,4,5, etc for verification??
.. and that brings me to my next point: If the "disk drive wont be in use for games installed on the HDD" then what the hell is the point of putting the game in the drive??? I know it will probably scan it once just to make sure.. but doesn't that require USE!? WTF?? Just be straight up instead of glazing over the details to make the HDD installs you mocked on the PS3 seem "ok" when applied to the 360's proprietary and over-priced versions.
This is bad news. I really hope they dont do what developers do with ALL other cross-platform titles which is:
Try to make an EXACT copy as much as possible for both systems by creating the game for the system with the least power (360). Then make the game on 1 disc for the 360 and continue to not use the remaining GIGABYTES of data left on a BR disk that could add SOOOO much to the experience! ... but dont forget to charge the PS3 owners FULL PRICE for a game that was meant to run on a less powerful system.
If I wanted to play games for the 360.. I would have KEPT IT! Don't punish me by not taking advantage of the specs of the PS3 for titles that are on both systems.
.. and to be FAIR:
I feel that the same would happen for both consoles to an extent. No matter which system you buy.. and then buy a multi platform title... you get a game that had exactly 1/2 of the development resources applied to your console. If Gears of War 2 or Halo 4 came out for BOTH systems.. it would suffer due to the fact that the development team would have to spend time making sure that it was "equal on both" instead on focusing on the compression schemes required for the DVD9 format.
I truly hope that this doesn't become a trend in the industry.
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xXxBG
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17. July 2008 @ 08:50 |
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WOW Square Enix, why dont you just sell the company to microsoft.
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17. July 2008 @ 09:17 |
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Originally posted by xXxBG:
WOW Square Enix, why dont you just sell the company to microsoft.
lol! dont give them anymore bright ideas
ya after S-E doing this what are the chances of versus 13 staying exclusive
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xXxBG
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17. July 2008 @ 09:32 |
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yeah like game companies ever check out Afterdawn for ideas, but if they did, who knows what may happen...
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17. July 2008 @ 18:37 |
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stop complaining, who cares if it goes to xbox, i have both consoles and neither of them is perfect,
i think its a good idea that it is out on both consoles, all you bitches who are jus microsoft haters are jus complain cos you have nothing better to do (or you bum sony).
The Xbox Will Not Have Mandatory Installs, The Only Reason That The PS3 Has Mandatory Installs On Some Games Is Because Blue Ray Has Such Damn Slow Read Speeds And It Would Not Be Able To Load ALl The Data In Time.
Out Of The 2 Consoles I Believe I Will Have To Go With The Xbox 360 Over The PS3 Purely Because Of The Reliabilty,
Only Had 1 Minor Problem With A 360 Elite. Had 2 PS3's Sent Back Due To Overheating & 1 Because The Blue Ray Drive Would Not Work.
Looks To Me Like Microsoft Have Sony By The Nuts Here
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17. July 2008 @ 18:56 |
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I don't understand why you guys are so pissed though, Square will still be making money right? Which means they can fund future final fantasy games, which is no reason to complain.
Unless of course you believe that you wish now that you didn't fork over all that money for a PS3 because now more platforms got the game. It sounds more like buyer's remorse than Sony pride here.
I'm a pc gamer btw, but i AM considering buying an 80 gig ps3 soon now that there are price cuts.
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17. July 2008 @ 19:08 |
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Originally posted by bagofcrap:
Out Of The 2 Consoles I Believe I Will Have To Go With The Xbox 360 Over The PS3 Purely Because Of The Reliabilty
Usually I avoid fanboy crap but this was too funny not to laugh my ass of at.
And you're very ignorant of what going multiplatform does to the quality of games. Read what Hunt720 said it pretty much sums it up.
And not having to load data off the media all the time is a good thing regardless of disk read speed and you twisting it to make the PS3 seem like crap, at least they planned ahead for the fault in technology.
Again sorry for the fanboy crap but his ramble was too ridiculous to let stand.
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17. July 2008 @ 21:25 |
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I am saddened by this but thats the name of the game. If Bioshock is coming to the PS3 what did you expect? I am a huge FF fan but they have been slacking since FF9. Atlus and the Persona/ SMT series have stole the show for me. I don't think that Microsoft had anything to do with it as much as Square did, if MS can't buy Yahoo, their new OS is trash, and their gaming system is infamous for RROD the what kind of threat are they ?
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17. July 2008 @ 22:02 |
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I agree that HDD installs help increase load times (or in the case of some games negate them), but to chime in with Blu-Ray having "slow read speeds" is uneducated at best. A Blu-Ray disc has to only read at 4X to beat a DVD drive's 12X.
If load times are an issue, then its good that Square will be focusing on the PS3 FIRST and then worrying about compression schemes for the 360's DVD9.
This was my issue with the title now being developed for 2 systems. It hurts IP integrity.
I've included a drive-read speed chart:
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18. July 2008 @ 01:09 |
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Not too big of a FF fan but this was too unexpected as was GTA4's exclusive DLC. Let's see Microsoft, $75mil this time?
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18. July 2008 @ 04:20 |
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Originally posted by bagofcrap:
Out Of The 2 Consoles I Believe I Will Have To Go With The Xbox 360 Over The PS3 Purely Because Of The Reliabilty,
Only Had 1 Minor Problem With A 360 Elite. Had 2 PS3's Sent Back Due To Overheating & 1 Because The Blue Ray Drive Would Not Work.
Looks To Me Like Microsoft Have Sony By The Nuts Here
What are you on about ? Sounds like you've been unlucky with the PS3, but the fact is that Xbox360 has a higher failure rate. Almost 20% of all Xbox360s have at some point had the Red Ring of Death.
Please tell me how the Xbox360 is more reliable ?? Thats complete rubbish, based on your own unfortunate experiences.
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