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UK ISPs join up for piracy crackdown
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article published on 24 July, 2008
England's six largest ISPs have all joined together with the government to "clamp down" on unauthorized downloading of music and movies.
Estimates have suggested that 6.5 million British citizens have downloaded unauthorized files over the last year and that piracy will cost the music industry £1 billion over the next five years.
The new clamp down will begin with thousands of warning ... [ read the full article ]
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Tashammer
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24. July 2008 @ 21:47 |
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i find it worrisome whenever i see the phrase, "it wasn't authorized" or "has this been authorized". Stick the word "authorize" into anything and you know that someone is taking control away from you or has taken control away from you. It's kind of at odds with that other word "responsibility" except you can't be considered "responsible" unless you have been "authorized" by someone else.
Example: You are expected to behave in a responsible manner (do what we say and don't download except in such manners as we authorize). You have to be responsible for your own behaviour but you cannot define what responsible is - we will do that for you.
They say, Our ability to make money is being interfered with by people who are not being responsible, that is, who accept and conform to the same value-base that places money above all else.
The trouble is that other people are not behaving responsibly (the want we want them to) so we need to persuade then coerce (if persuade doesn't work or i am just feeling like not being nice and showing how tough i am). They haven't formed a group yet? Then let's force them into forming a group e.g. Association of Independent ISP's and then force THEM to behave responsibly so that we can gradually build up a flock of people who behave responsibly (remember, those who are coerced into conformity) and then we will force other groups e.g. politicians, lawmakers, people who see another opportunity to make money e.g. new types of agents and reps.
Hmm, we will still and then go after the widows mite's though as they add up after all a million cents is still a very large number that looks impressive.
And all the time the enforcement of conformity is applied and strains the fabric of society in the move to make money. What is there about us as a species that lets us do these sorts of things to each other? Dpon't be a goody twoshoes about it. Find out what it is, accept it, love it, BY NO MEANS TRY TO REMOVE IT (that would be us fighting us, but maybe we can turn it so we all benefit (small "b").
(Yes, there are huge holes and i have left reams out). Good innit?
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susieqbbb
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24. July 2008 @ 22:22 |
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Ok you dont want people in europe to pirate music then make music cheaper my friend has family over europe and when he got back he was so glad to be back on u.s soil he purchased only one item while there a music cd at $50.00 u.s you want to stop piracy then make things cheaper.
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25. July 2008 @ 02:10 |
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It?s got nothing to do with illegal downloads or pirates taking over the internet what I do in my house is my own business a mans house his is castle its spying on you if I go on the Argos now will they be taking notes thanks Mr Brown for taking some more of my privileges away on the bright side Labour just lost another bye election so wont be long before his travelling circus will be out of office just make sure folks the next election get out and vote if you need a lift to the polling station I?ll give you a lift
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prasiet
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25. July 2008 @ 02:27 |
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How will they be able to stop everyone?
if people want to download then there will always be a way to do it.
There is no way this "government" will get this right. they have messed everything else up that they have touched in the last few years
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culpeck
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25. July 2008 @ 03:59 |
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hi as soon as i found this out i downloaded a program from TPB called invisible browsing this changes my ip address so no one can trace what im downloading
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25. July 2008 @ 04:28 |
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England's six largest ISPs have all joined together with the government to "clamp down" on unauthorized downloading of music and movies.
im sure England has more than 6 ISP's, well i kno australia has
y not just go 2 one of the smaller 1's that dont care wot you do on
the internet.
@rlessmue
very nice idea i would do it :)
...BUT how would you know which 3 or so you need 2 DL?
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psplvanub
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25. July 2008 @ 07:12 |
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these are just the 6 largest isp's in england
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blueroad
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25. July 2008 @ 07:40 |
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hmm remember the article where BT said they will not lie down flat for these b*tches? well didnt take them long enough to let themselves get raped by the movie and music industry..and frankly i dont think all kinds of ip blockers will continue to work..since its downloadable its no problem to dl and hack it then when the ISP sees that he cannot tell what your IP is he'll run thru all kinds of hackin programs and it will be like cracking DRM only the opposite-we do the encrypting and they do the hacking..i think the best method would be to pirate unanimously because as the few wiser people here said they cant ban everyone or even 20% of theyre users cuz anyway most users that pirate alot hav high bandwith which means more money for the ISP and therfore the ISP will not favor the music/film industry over their own profit
so keep up the seeding and downloading :)
they CANT stop us XD
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25. July 2008 @ 11:17 |
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i say we get rid of the f**king government, this country will do betta without it.
and the government will never be able to tackle with piracy and stuff because they have tried it be4 and never worked
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25. July 2008 @ 13:10 |
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England's six largest ISPs have all joined together with the government to "clamp down" on unauthorized downloading of music and movies.
im sure England has more than 6 ISP's, well i kno australia has
y not just go 2 one of the smaller 1's that dont care wot you do on
the internet.
@rlessmue
very nice idea i would do it :)
...BUT how would you know which 3 or so you need 2 DL?
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My "best" guess would be that someone would have to make two programs:
1) a program that would make the torrent that would have you
enter a short code (like: a2DF5 ) as part of the code to
associate all the parts together. At the time of posting,
this code would be know - and would have to be seen by
"human eyes" to be written down (in order to join the
sections together again). Why? My guess is that most of
the tracking is done automatic, and it would take too much
effort to verify all the postings and gathering the codes.
2) another program is needed (it could be part of the same program.
This allows you to put in your code in, and it would then find
all the parts, and put the correct parts back together again.
My "guess" is the best way for this to work is that durning the build
of the torrent, this program splits it into multiple torrents, which
you would know at the time of downloading (maybe after sending it
through one of the programs and putting in the code).
The "origial" posting would be maybe something like this:
Complete U2 Discography - 18 CD's
Torrent link (you would click on the link)
Code: 34DF56xi
After clicking on the link you would receive a small torrent file.
You would then run this link through "the program" - but you must
then enter the "code" (34DF56xi) to get the information. Without the
code you would not get the information.
The information you would get is, maybe three or more links that you would down load (as you would a normal torrent). Names of these
would be like:
oiqopivnq93276.rar
fjq8-gn04830og.rar
3nsbpog828-2to.rar
When you finish downloading the three "rar" files (just an example),
you would use "the program" again to "merge" them back together again
to what the original poster had made...the U2 cd's.
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This is the basic idea...I'm not a programmer guy.
So, anyone for else for it? We could call them "torrent2" files...for multiple files!
Cheers!
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25. July 2008 @ 13:24 |
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i see were ur coming from but it will be 2 much hassel, the data will not be readable once downloaded and put together agen,(possibly)
and the isp's will still find u downloading illegally unless u can make somekind of p2p for torrents only just like a torrent website but as a p2p network.isp's dont see things like limewire or p2p software because u r not going online onto websites.
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windsong
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25. July 2008 @ 13:54 |
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Originally posted by david94:
i say we get rid of the f**king government, this country will do betta without it.
and the government will never be able to tackle with piracy and stuff because they have tried it be4 and never worked
Er..yeah! Lets get rid of the government! Who needs roads, sewage treatment, water, electricity, and lets not forget the military. Navy SEALs and Green Berets aren't corporations you know..and no one is better at fighting terrorists than them.
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25. July 2008 @ 13:57 |
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well y then do they suddenly think tht a little free music is more important than immigrants and terrorists coming into this country.
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25. July 2008 @ 14:11 |
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Originally posted by david94:
i see were ur coming from but it will be 2 much hassel, the data will not be readable once downloaded and put together agen,(possibly)
and the isp's will still find u downloading illegally unless u can make somekind of p2p for torrents only just like a torrent website but as a p2p network.isp's dont see things like limewire or p2p software because u r not going online onto websites.
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...as for the "2 much hassel" - what is'nt now days LOL! People have
been know to put-up with all kinds of cr*p to get what they need.
...I'm sure isp's will always see something...but if they can only
see "garbage" then the only way would be is that amount of bandwidth
that you are using...which could raise a "level of question" in
their minds. Although you might be using something like limewire to
hide your p2p, the amount of traffic you a using/generating is up for
question...and might raise the "red flag" when they start looking.
...just an idea for these issues.
Cheers!
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25. July 2008 @ 14:20 |
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since isp's cant see wot ur downloading wen u use limewire, i think it would be a good idea if u could have something like limewire but for torrents only, so u can carry on downloading ur torrents into woteva bittorrent software u use.but isp's cant see wot it is, only bandwith.
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blueroad
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25. July 2008 @ 15:33 |
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LOL limewire..
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26. July 2008 @ 01:03 |
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rlessmue idea
does any 1 kno how hard this would b 2 make?
because if we tell the right people like the people who make utorrent, azureus...etc we could get this of the ground?
[url=http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/686421][/url]
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26. July 2008 @ 03:12 |
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Has the ?Mods? been in half of the comments on this thread have been deleted freedom of speech Afterdawn or have we lost that as well?
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blueroad
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26. July 2008 @ 13:17 |
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Originally posted by killalot:
Has the ?Mods? been in half of the comments on this thread have been deleted freedom of speech Afterdawn or have we lost that as well?
umm i think your grammar needs a bit of work
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culpeck
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26. July 2008 @ 14:21 |
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limewire fine if you only want music but to dl films and games you should use tpb and seeing as gamesw like medal of honour airbourne and prince caspian game r a 6-7 gb download then u have to use tpb with utorrent or azures limewire except for music is full of virusses
so get invisible browsing and use tpb happy dl enjoy
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26. July 2008 @ 15:04 |
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Originally posted by killalot:
Has the ?Mods? been in half of the comments on this thread have been deleted freedom of speech Afterdawn or have we lost that as well?
umm i think your grammar needs a bit of work
Umm what?s that? What a prick. which part don?t you understand.
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blueroad
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26. July 2008 @ 15:37 |
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Originally posted by killalot:
Has the ?Mods? been in half of the comments on this thread have been deleted freedom of speech Afterdawn or have we lost that as well?
umm i think your grammar needs a bit of work
Umm what?s that? What a prick. which part don?t you understand.
hmm sorry didnt mean to hurt your feelings or anything.. but you missed out on some words or i dont know maybe itll be better read with punctuation..but i dont get anything of what you tried to convey, not a clue..
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culpeck
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26. July 2008 @ 16:25 |
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wot dont you get you THICKO
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culpeck
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26. July 2008 @ 16:26 |
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sorry u dont get r u a newbie or something ohh u r arnt u
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culpeck
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26. July 2008 @ 16:32 |
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