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PS3 is only 'bright spot' for Blu-ray, says report
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article published on 5 August, 2008
According to a new research report by ABI research entitled "Blu-ray: Consumer Survey Results", the PlayStation 3 is the only 'bright spot' for the Blu-ray format right now, and without it the format would be struggling "mightily" to reach any consumer acceptance.
?While you might think gamers purchase fewer movie discs than others, we didn?t see any significant evidence of that in our ... [ read the full article ]
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SProdigy
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5. August 2008 @ 21:19 |
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Yep, I'm sold on my upconvert DVD player, DVD's I can buy on sale for under $10 each week, and DVR'ing HD shows on the many channels DirecTV has for me. In the last week alone, I recorded Hairspray, Matrix Revolutions and Ghostbusters in HD; all movies I would not pay $25-$30 for on Blu (and only one of them, Matrix Rev, I have on DVD, due to the trilogy.) Anyhow, I still get to watch it when I want, and pending the broadcast, I might use the 30 second skip a few times.
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nopcbs
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5. August 2008 @ 23:33 |
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I have a PS3 bought specifically to play Blu Ray movies and I will tell you that the picture difference vs. a good DVD is minor.
Blu Ray disks are worth maybe 10% more than similar DVD's and they cost way more than that. Simply not worth it.
Blu Ray is going to be to movies what SACD was to movies unless the studios wise up and drastically lower pricing. Netflix decision to surcharge Blu Ray rentals does not help.
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6. August 2008 @ 03:56 |
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I hate to say it but this article is correct. I mean its not even the ability to play bloody movies on the ps3 that wins bluray the format war its the games. they probably sell 1000's of bluray discs a day due to the games on the ps3.
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6. August 2008 @ 04:31 |
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Originally posted by tavek:
If teh Wii had a HD DVD then Blue ray would have LOST!
Imagine that scenario!
Imagine if it even had a dvd player!
how exciting would that be? haha
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6. August 2008 @ 05:45 |
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Originally posted by nopcbs:
I have a PS3 bought specifically to play Blu Ray movies and I will tell you that the picture difference vs. a good DVD is minor.
HD - SD difference is enormous, you must be blind not to see that.
About flash drives.
1st and most important, they must find a way to lock flash drives(for good).Till then dont expect anything.
2nd A 50gb BD disc costs less than a 8gb flash drive.
and as long as studios see that BD's are low in piracy they will support them.
If you google you'll see that there are rumours that by 2009 studios will start releasing some titles only in BD.
@pirkster
Totaly agree with you mate.
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jab1981
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6. August 2008 @ 07:29 |
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I love the psuedo articles that always love to say no one likes Blu-Ray by discounting it's biggest success. The PS3 is always used as an after thought. I'm sick of seeing headlines of this sort... "NO ONE WANTS BLU-RAY... unless you count the millions buying the PS3". You'd have to be insane to buy a stand alone Blu-Ray player at this point. The PS3 remains the cheapest option and it's got included wifi for future proofing with updates. There are very few options on the market to compete with that... and that's not even counting it may play some games. I personally own two PS3s and I bought both of them for the Blu-Ray player. I bought a Blu-Ray player and that's the model I chose, I'm sick of hearing how it some how doesn't count. As I see it it's the Blu-Ray player every other stand alone should strive to be.
Blu-Ray is taking almost as long as DVD adoption... we should all be worried. I remember buying my first "mid-range" DVD player for $700... with that in mind my top of the line Blu-Ray player was a steal at under $400. And for this early in the formats life I'm already paying less for Blu-Ray than I was for DVD. I remember $30 being standard for all new DVDs... I have yet to pay over $16 for any Blu-Ray title and my collection is over 50 strong (including all the Harry Potters for under $8 thanks to a great sale at Amazon.com).
Stop being sheep people, Blu-Ray isn't that expensive.
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6. August 2008 @ 07:46 |
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Quote:
Originally posted by nopcbs:
I have a PS3 bought specifically to play Blu Ray movies and I will tell you that the picture difference vs. a good DVD is minor.
HD - SD difference is enormous, you must be blind not to see that.
About flash drives.
1st and most important, they must find a way to lock flash drives(for good).Till then dont expect anything.
2nd A 50gb BD disc costs less than a 8gb flash drive.
and as long as studios see that BD's are low in piracy they will support them.
If you google you'll see that there are rumours that by 2009 studios will start releasing some titles only in BD.
@pirkster
Totaly agree with you mate.
first bold: well mate we werent talking about small size versus dual- we were talking bout the overall price of high storage (500GB-1TB) storage devices prices as opposed to total amount of a 1 layer bluray discs it takes to reach that capacity and with one measly disc costs 14$ its simply insane and not worth it-if you want low capacity storage 4.5/8.5 GB is more than enough to sut your needs with 50 1 layer dvds costing the price of one bluray disc and if you want high capacity its far more reasonable price wise and storage wise to go for the storage devices
as for the 2nd bold: theres always those people that will download the pirated versions and i think that if they stop releasing dvds that number will just increase rather than the BD movies sales as we already know that many people dont even see the need to buy a bd disc and prefer to rent it so in the end that will hurt them and the risk is far greater than the gain-and bear in mind that it is a very gutsy move that could prove fatal to movie disc sales..i think that they will only do that after bluray has truly based itself as a known and widely used format worldwide not only in america (you are of cource forgetting that dvds are exported from the US for a worldwide release and here in israel and the middle east and even what ive been hearing from my friends in few countries in europe the format is not known to the main public.
and yet we forget the fact that studios can be stupid on occation..so well just have to wait and see..
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juankerr
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6. August 2008 @ 07:53 |
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
If you google you'll see that there are rumours that by 2009 studios will start releasing some titles only in BD.
I've seen the rumors about The Dark Knight and The Hobbit but they're really hard to believe at this point. A timed-release schedule may be more feasible.
However, Christopher Nolan did say that the iMax sequences of The Dark Knight will be on the BluRay release only:
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/07/17/exp...ces-on-blu-ray/
I think TDK is one title that could actually move hardware.
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6. August 2008 @ 09:43 |
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Originally posted by jab1981:
I love the psuedo articles that always love to say no one likes Blu-Ray by discounting it's biggest success. The PS3 is always used as an after thought. I'm sick of seeing headlines of this sort... "NO ONE WANTS BLU-RAY... unless you count the millions buying the PS3". You'd have to be insane to buy a stand alone Blu-Ray player at this point. The PS3 remains the cheapest option and it's got included wifi for future proofing with updates. There are very few options on the market to compete with that... and that's not even counting it may play some games. I personally own two PS3s and I bought both of them for the Blu-Ray player. I bought a Blu-Ray player and that's the model I chose, I'm sick of hearing how it some how doesn't count. As I see it it's the Blu-Ray player every other stand alone should strive to be.
Blu-Ray is taking almost as long as DVD adoption... we should all be worried. I remember buying my first "mid-range" DVD player for $700... with that in mind my top of the line Blu-Ray player was a steal at under $400. And for this early in the formats life I'm already paying less for Blu-Ray than I was for DVD. I remember $30 being standard for all new DVDs... I have yet to pay over $16 for any Blu-Ray title and my collection is over 50 strong (including all the Harry Potters for under $8 thanks to a great sale at Amazon.com).
Stop being sheep people, Blu-Ray isn't that expensive.
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SDF_GR
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6. August 2008 @ 10:06 |
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Originally posted by blueroad:
first bold: well mate we werent talking about small size versus dual- we were talking bout the overall price of high storage (500GB-1TB) storage devices prices as opposed to total amount of a 1 layer bluray discs it takes to reach that capacity and with one measly disc costs 14$ its simply insane and not worth it-if you want low capacity storage 4.5/8.5 GB is more than enough to sut your needs with 50 1 layer dvds costing the price of one bluray disc and if you want high capacity its far more reasonable price wise and storage wise to go for the storage devices
I was saying what is the issues that we havent seen movies in FD.
BD's enemy isnt the mechanic storage drives, is the SSD drives...vs that bd capacity is way cheaper than any form of SSD drive, 8,5 gb arent enough even for 1 hour of HD content.
Originally posted by blueroad:
as for the 2nd bold: theres always those people that will download the pirated versions and i think that if they stop releasing dvds that number will just increase rather than the BD movies sales as we already know that many people dont even see the need to buy a bd disc and prefer to rent it so in the end that will hurt them and the risk is far greater than the gain-and bear in mind that it is a very gutsy move that could prove fatal to movie disc sales..i think that they will only do that after bluray has truly based itself as a known and widely used format worldwide not only in america (you are of cource forgetting that dvds are exported from the US for a worldwide release and here in israel and the middle east and even what ive been hearing from my friends in few countries in europe the format is not known to the main public.
They may think that cause BD cant be ripped (in theory) it cant be shared so people will have to buy BD players...just a though, dunno.
For sure tho i believe that will make some people that dont have BD player to buy, and sony by having all this studios can push things.
Europe is like any other region HD content is known mostly to the people that care, nothing more, nothing less.
Originally posted by blueroad:
and yet we forget the fact that studios can be stupid on occation..so well just have to wait and see..
well if we count how many times they have paid for locking patents that proved useless... occasion becomes usual.
Originally posted by juankerr:
I've seen the rumors about The Dark Knight and The Hobbit but they're really hard to believe at this point. A timed-release schedule may be more feasible.
However, Christopher Nolan did say that the iMax sequences of The Dark Knight will be on the BluRay release only:
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/07/17/exp...ces-on-blu-ray/
I think TDK is one title that could actually move hardware.
It is hard to believe mate indeed and IMO X-trmely too early for a step like that, but sony this days can turn the world around.
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6. August 2008 @ 10:50 |
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I've compared a few different up-scale dvd players vs PS3 and up-scale doesnt even come close to looking HD. Sure it looks a bit better then on a standard DVD, but stop being so blind ppl, face facts that you know blu-ray picture is significantly better and you're just too cheap to afford one and trying to stand behind your dvd player. Keep telling your brain that but one day youll give in. And yea dvds were alot more expensive when it first came out because it was a completely new medium/technology then vhs so im going to assume that those that complain about blu-ray are either just haters or too young to remember when dvds were first introduced.
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6. August 2008 @ 11:49 |
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Originally posted by Vr0cK:
I've compared a few different up-scale dvd players vs PS3 and up-scale doesnt even come close to looking HD. Sure it looks a bit better then on a standard DVD, but stop being so blind ppl, face facts that you know blu-ray picture is significantly better and you're just too cheap to afford one and trying to stand behind your dvd player. Keep telling your brain that but one day youll give in. And yea dvds were alot more expensive when it first came out because it was a completely new medium/technology then vhs so im going to assume that those that complain about blu-ray are either just haters or too young to remember when dvds were first introduced.
Couldn't said it better myself........
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6. August 2008 @ 17:24 |
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Yes, I've compared upscaled DVD vs BD, and I have seen pictures on screens with upscaled DVDs, that i thought came from BD; in the other hand i have seen screens with BD pictures that were so bad that it looked like they came from VHS or VCD. Yes people, is the equipment you use to view either upscaled DVD or BD movies, not the resolution on the discs itself.
Nobody is denying that Blu-ray offers more resolution than DVD, but the bottom line is that if you use the proper equipment, and regardless of what BD backers insist to say, you can achieve superb picture results from DVD. It may not be as equal as BD, but if it's close and good enough for most of the people around the world, then so be it. Movie studios will not stop releasing titles on DVD, because that's were they get their big profits, which they aren't getting from BD. Rumors of the contrary are just that... rumors.
I dislike that BD backers keep insisting that everybody should jump on the BD wagon, like we didn't have a choice... guess what? We do have a choice and we're exercising it... We choose not to be blind enough to early adopt every single new format, just because they say you should, nor to be sheep in buying corporate propaganda, patronized articles, sponsored analysis and predictions, with the sole purpose to misleading consumers that you must purchase their products.
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7. August 2008 @ 13:05 |
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I use my PS3 to upscale my DVD's AND to watch BD films. My TV DOES support 1080p and I have copies of movies on BOTH formats.
That being said both sides of this arguement have a point. I know that I own many films that I enjoy in HD on BD. Action/Sci-fi/any movie where things explode is SOOO much more enjoyable on a disk that stores it NATIVELY in HD. I notice details that I had never seen, I see things sooo much better and slo-mo looks F#$KING amazing. Favorite movies of mine I prefer to buy the discs in Blu-ray but I agree that prices still need to come down for me and many other consumers. Thats why instead of whining on AD about prices, I look for deals on Amazon or ebay instead of taking Best Buys prices as the end all be all. Many call this "critical thinking" or "problem solving skills". There is NO other HD disc-format right now. Period. HD-DVDs still look great but the selection is offically stagnant. HD downloads can take a long time and are actually less conveniant for me that ordering a disk online. I aslo enjoy HD content on TV, but its not as crisp/clear and this is true of many cable companies who consider 720p as high as HD needs to go.
ON THE OTHER HAND...
I also have many DVD's that I will NOT upgrade to BD. Many comedies and films where PERFECT clarity isn't essential to me look great upscaled to psuedo-hd and I am happy with them. For instance: I won't be buying a BD release of Old-School as watching Will Ferral streak is just as funny when upscaled.
If you want to watch films right now in the highest possible quality (and you have an HDTV.. cuz if you DON'T then this is proabably a lost topic on you) then Blu-Ray is the most accessible. Otherwise you are upscaling a non HD film and lying to yourself.
I can trick out my SAAB all I want... its still not a porche.
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ematrix
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7. August 2008 @ 16:35 |
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The point is that most people aren't interested in watching movies at the highest possible quality (otherwise "piracy" wouldn't be such a big issue for movie studios) most people don't care much if with Blu-ray you could see pores and acne scars from an actor's face, or wireframe from fences at the distance, they just want to watch good movies. Period.
If most people find that upscaling DVD is good enough to enjoy good movies, then so be it... after all it's just a movie... they aren't lying to themselves, they're being more objective, that they rather spend their money in more meaningful things than in home entertaiment... surely a lot of people could grab their savings and buy themselves a Porsche, but rather buy a SAAB and enjoy other things in life, after all a car is just a car, and either one will drive you to work, or go on vacations, to a picknik, even to the movies with a date, family or friends.
PS: Surely a Porsche will impress more a date, and increase the chances you getting lucky, but hell I rather be with those accept me for who I am, not for what I have.
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7. August 2008 @ 21:08 |
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Pretty stupid article if you ask me...
Only bright spot of Blu-Ray is PS3?
Thats like saying the only bright spot of DVD was the DVD Player.
If this journalist actually has seen a blu-ray disc being played, then he'd know how incredibly much better it looks than standard dvds.
Plus with Blu-ray RW computer drives on the way (some already here), this article makes even less sense.
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7. August 2008 @ 21:45 |
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Originally posted by ematrix:
The point is that most people aren't interested in watching movies at the highest possible quality (otherwise "piracy" wouldn't be such a big issue for movie studios) most people don't care much if with Blu-ray you could see pores and acne scars from an actor's face, or wireframe from fences at the distance, they just want to watch good movies. Period.
If most people find that upscaling DVD is good enough to enjoy good movies, then so be it... after all it's just a movie... they aren't lying to themselves, they're being more objective, that they rather spend their money in more meaningful things than in home entertaiment... surely a lot of people could grab their savings and buy themselves a Porsche, but rather buy a SAAB and enjoy other things in life, after all a car is just a car, and either one will drive you to work, or go on vacations, to a picknik, even to the movies with a date, family or friends.
PS: Surely a Porsche will impress more a date, and increase the chances you getting lucky, but hell I rather be with those accept me for who I am, not for what I have.
Maybe the word IF was lost on you. As in : "IF you want to wacth movies in the highest possible quality". IF you don't, then stay "objective" and you can still be right. I wasn't arguing against it, just saying that upscaled DVD's are not the higest quality. And afterall that is what the format is about, better quality. So if you dont want the porche, and are happy with your SAAB, then you don't fall into the insecure "IF" category and are thus without a point when responding to it.
Enjoy doing the speed limit.
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7. August 2008 @ 22:04 |
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blah blah blah.. same old trolls.. same old gang bashing..
Sony are cooking the figures they are pulling out of thin air yet again.. I don't even know why these pointless topics are posted.... oh hang about.. trolls need income.. yeah.
Run it's course here Vurbal... the fanboys have arrived and started shouting any contrary opinion down again.
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7. August 2008 @ 23:01 |
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I have a Sony PS3 (60g) and enjoy watching Blu-Ray titles but my HD DVD Player for my 360 is still kickin' ass and takin' names! I like that fact that I don't have to swap out game and movie disks whenever I want to watch or play either one.
They need to have a multi-disc player that holds like 5 or 6 discs. That would be awesome!
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8. August 2008 @ 06:55 |
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The fact is that most US consumers have expressed, that they're content with DVD and that's good enough for them. Nobody is denying that upscaled DVD isn't the highest quality possible, but most people are pleased with the results and don't see much benefit from BD.
Also even when BD is all about a higher format than DVD, it's presented on old fashioned optical discs, which is for me a huge step back in this era of LCD and Plasma screens, portable HDD, USB and Flash cards.
If they came up with a new revolutionary format that could offer more benefits than BD, hell even if the format's media is non optical disc would be a huge step forward, then I'll be supporting it from D-Day, otherwise I'm sticking with DVD, thanks.
If you rather have BD movies or even a Porsche, good for you, but if others are content with DVD movies or proudly drive a SAAB, so be it. The problem is that you early adopters who support BD, keep insisting that anybody that is content with DVD quality, and have expressed amazing results from viewing upscaled DVDs, are simply lying to themselves... can't you respect that others preffer upscaled DVD rather than BD? Really what's the big deal? There are just movies!
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8. August 2008 @ 13:13 |
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For those they say they dont see a difference from DVD to Blu-ray must be watching it on a CRT TV. For me I see a dramatic improvement on my TOC Samsung when I run a Blu-ray.
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8. August 2008 @ 16:36 |
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Comm'on! You should know better to pull such arguments... you already know by now that when people is talking about upscaled DVD, and its amazing picture results, it because they're viewing them on HDTV screens... really it's becaming tiredsome, give it a rest. You guys preffer Blu-ray, good for you, just respect that the rest of us are being content with upscaled DVD.
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8. August 2008 @ 17:47 |
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Upscaling or upconversion is PSEUDO-high def and a weak compromise.
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8. August 2008 @ 20:17 |
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Blu ray is to TV what preminum gasoline is to cars.
Some people want the benefit and will pay the added cost and others will not.
Who are you (or I)to say our opinion counts for more or less then others.
If people want the benefit, let them have it. For those who choose not too, respect that decision. You can't have the best of everything.
People I know of that are even interested in Blu Ray are few and far between. It's going to be a long time before that changes.
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